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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2017 14:33:27 GMT -6
First, dennislwatson - welcome to the forum. and witness1 - thank you for being willing to test out ideas of others. I have stayed out of this multi-threaded topic since it began, but I feel I must weigh in at this time. I have not found much evidence in the 14 reasons, but had no reason to discard them either. However, when we begin to wonder when Pentecost is, we start to go down the common road of changing feast dates in order to accommodate new theories. The feast dates have a pretty good track record over history of being correctly positioned. In the case of Pentecost, why do we feel there is a dispute to the timing of Pentecost? Do we not realize the timing is built into it’s name? Or are we saying that since the beginning of it’s constitution, the Hebrew people have had the timing wrong - including it’s name? The timing seems accurate for the following reasons: 1. The name Pentecost means 50. 2. The obvious reading of the law says how to calculated it. 3. The counting of it points to a jubilee count (7 sevens) - which is a common pattern of God. 4. The timing of the first Pentecost is documented: Exo 19:1 In the third month, when the children of Israel were gone forth out of the land of Egypt, the same day came they into the wilderness of Sinai.
4. The new testament Pentecost was timed in scripture: Act 1:3 To whom also he shewed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs, being seen of them forty days, and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God:
Act 1:5 For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.
Do we really think the 120 were then in the upper room for another 59 days? Even though this would disagree with the stated day that it was Pentecost? I don't find that a credible theory. As to the drunk nature - it has to do with the fact that the 120 were speaking strangely. ---------- Now - those who follow me on this forum know that I am willing to see alternative and multiple meanings to scriptures. I believe that is how God's word works. So I don't remove the thought that there could be deeper meaning in some of what is being said in this account of pentecost. I just see a lot of numbers being thrown around that could just as easily point to other things. For instance - even if you wanted to use a 365 day count, why use an English calendar? Why not the 365th day of the hebrew secular year that started just prior to the sign? Or why not say, Pentecost is the day, but at actual Pentecost? Clearly, none of us can "Know" and I don't want to stifle dennislwatson's enthusiasm, but the sign was something that scripture pointed to and said - this is it. Most of us who see God in the sign see it because of the clear scriptural reference. This is why you are receiving a decent amount of hesitation over the 14 points. We like to start with scripture that leads to truth, rather than a theory being built by trying to find matching potential scriptures. That doesn't make anyone right or wrong - but it does help, perhaps, to explain the resistance. |
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Post by kjs on Nov 29, 2017 14:39:33 GMT -6
But after reading your post there I have two questions... 1. Was September 23, 2017, the alignment in the sun, moon and stars, a sign from God? 2. What did the sign mean? I say yes to 1 and I actually now have an answer to 2. KJS. I am glad you admit it took place. But even the demons admit it took place. May I ask you in a few words to tell me your answer to question 1 & 2. Ok, this may get to be a bit long winded, but you did say you wished to hear my opinion on them.... When I first heard of the Revelation 12 sign it was way back in Nov/Dec 2016 time-frame. I originally thought it was a bunch of BS and did not put too much stock into. What first got me into really checking into this sign closer was learning of the Planet Jupiter being within the "womb" for over 42 weeks. That is when I started really checking into everything. The 9/23/2017 SIGN was the SUN, MOON, Stars and the planet Jupiter being within Virgo. That was the "SIGN" -- at that time I had only two concerns -- one was that Jupiter "left" the womb on 9/9/2017 (even though the "lines" within Virgo are made up) it still gave me pause because IF Jupiter represented the "Body of Christ" and If Body was to be raptured shortly after the Birth -- why was the "Birth" happening roughly 12 days in advance of the primary sign? Second concern was verse 3/4 -- where the "dragon sign" -- I could see nothing that would indicate it was the dragon -- nor did I see anything that might represent the dragon waiting at the bottom of Virgo -- for the Birth to happen. Was it a Sign from God? Of course it was -- God controls the movement of the sun, moon, planets, and stars ... and that alignment on 9/23/2017 is about as much as a 100% degree match to Revelation 12:1,2 as can be. So Yes it was / is a sign from God. What does the sign mean -- I like many people felt it was to mean "rapture time"? I NO LONGER think that is the meaning. I do think it has some type of meaning "pointing toward" the rapture -- but the "timing" of such event currently eludes me.
Micah 5: 2-3 “As for you, Bethlehem of Ephrathah, even though you remain least among the clans of Judah, nevertheless, the one who rules in Israel for me will emerge from you. His existence has been from antiquity, even from eternity. Therefore that ruler will abandon them until the woman in labor gives birth. Then the rest of his countrymen will return to the Israelis.I really think Micah 5 is KEY to everything going on and it is the BIRTH that is the important portion -- it is the "BIRTH" that must take place -- before the "ruler" will UN-Abandon His People (or turn back to Israel). After the 9/23/2017 date past -- I moved to believing the "BIRTH" must be when Jupiter left Virgo completely. After, that date past -- and still no rapture ... I have been second guessing myself constantly -- I still believe the BIRTH is the KEY. It may be the entire Sign was simply the "announcement" of the coming BIRTH -- but just as with a "real human baby" -- doctors can estimate all they wish of the expected DUE DATE -- but that Baby is only BIRTHED when God is ready to do so. |
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Post by sesquipedalian on Nov 29, 2017 14:40:54 GMT -6
I agree sesquipedalian . The only thing worth looking into is the Leviticus 23:15-16 interpretation. I initially wrote a long post against most of these other points, but I ended up deleting it after I saw evidence that it is possible to interpret Lev 23:15-16 in the manner suggested by Dennis. I plan to still address them at some point, but for now I am looking into the Pentecost count. If it is true that Pentecost should be counted at 99 days, then the 365 idea of Enoch is actually quite interesting. I also find it interesting that the Sept 23 sign happened on a Sabbath and Dec 31 is an 8th day (Sunday). I see that you were the one who initially began the Pentecost post with the article from ALittleStrength, whom I think has been spot on throughout most of this journey. Do you think that Pentecost should tie in? I really do, for all the reasons already mentioned and also because of the story of Ruth. The Berean approach is exactly the right one. But considering that I subscribed to the fall feast dates and was proven wrong each time, I am trying to be a little more cautious and careful moving forward. I do think that Pentecost will tie in, but I think it will be the actual Pentecost festival, not this reinterpretation with both a different start point and a different count. |
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Post by mike on Nov 29, 2017 14:46:14 GMT -6
Dennis,
As I have admitted...I have yet to (have the time to) read your article, so to be fair I will! Also as I have said, I want you to be right unless its sooner and you're wrong then we're all happier for it brother! I see you're excited, Please be patient with me.
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Post by dennislwatson on Nov 29, 2017 14:50:14 GMT -6
First, dennislwatson - welcome to the forum. and witness1 - thank you for being willing to test out ideas of others. I have stayed out of this multi-threaded topic since it began, but I feel I must weigh in at this time. I have not found much evidence in the 14 reasons, but had no reason to discard them either. However, when we begin to wonder when Pentecost is, we start to go down the common road of changing feast dates in order to accommodate new theories. The feast dates have a pretty good track record over history of being correctly positioned. In the case of Pentecost, why do we feel there is a dispute to the timing of Pentecost? Do we not realize the timing is built into it’s name? Or are we saying that since the beginning of it’s constitution, the Hebrew people have had the timing wrong - including it’s name? The timing seems accurate for the following reasons: 1. The name Pentecost means 50. 2. The obvious reading of the law says how to calculated it. 3. The counting of it points to a jubilee count (7 sevens) - which is a common pattern of God. 4. The timing of the first Pentecost is documented: Exo 19:1 In the third month, when the children of Israel were gone forth out of the land of Egypt, the same day came they into the wilderness of Sinai.
4. The new testament Pentecost was timed in scripture: Act 1:3 To whom also he shewed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs, being seen of them forty days, and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God:
Act 1:5 For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.
Do we really think they 120 were then in the upper room for another 59 days? Even though this would disagree with the stated day that it was Pentecost? I don't find that a credible theory. As to the drunk nature - it has to do with the fact that the 120 were speaking strangely. ---------- Now - those who follow me on this forum know that I am willing to see alternative and multiple meanings to scriptures. I believe that is how God's word works. So I don't remove the thought that there could be deeper meaning in some of what is being said in this account of pentecost. I just see a lot of numbers being thrown around that could just as easily point to other things. For instance - even if you wanted to use a 365 day count, why use an English calendar? Why not the 365th day of the hebrew secular year that started just prior to the sign? Or why not say, Pentecost is the day, but it actually at Pentecost? Clearly, none of us can "Know" and I don't want to stifle dennislwatson's enthusiasm, but the sign was something that scripture pointed to and said - this is it. Most of us who see God in the sign see it because of the clear scriptural reference. This is why you area receiving a decent amount of hesitation over the 14 points. We like to start with scripture that leads to truth, rather than a theory being build by trying to find matching potential scriptures. That doesn't make anyone right or wrong - but it does help, perhaps, to explain the resistance. Yes there is resistance. Especially from the generals. I get a kick out of the arguments about "the english calendar" or the day is "secular". If God wants to make a statement to the World about rapturing the church at the end of the year will be a great time to make the statement. He is not HONORING the Gregorian Calendar by doing this. He is WIPING IT OUT. This entire world is going to see that the God that they ignored, not only knows their calendar but knows what they are doing at the time, it will be personal. I don't really think God designed the Revelation 12:1,2 sign with the main purpose of having it be at the end of the year. But I see a lot of good in it. If God wants to be God He will do what He wants and when He wants. Further, There will be such a connection to the action of God at the end of the year, it is stated that the antichrist will propose to change the law and the times. He will not want it so easily calculated, when the rapture occurred. He will not want people talking about this. Here is what I am seeing. Virtually everyone believes what happened on September 23, 2017 was from God... BUT THEY DON'T KNOW WHY! Silentknight. May I ask you what you believe the purpose of the Sign was? I suggested a reason and there are members here who want to shut me down. Fascinating thing about Christians. Sometimes you wonder why God loves us. |
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Post by dennislwatson on Nov 29, 2017 14:52:43 GMT -6
But after reading your post there I have two questions... 1. Was September 23, 2017, the alignment in the sun, moon and stars, a sign from God? 2. What did the sign mean? I say yes to 1 and I actually now have an answer to 2. KJS. I am glad you admit it took place. But even the demons admit it took place. May I ask you in a few words to tell me your answer to question 1 & 2. Ok, this may get to be a bit long winded, but you did say you wished to hear my opinion on them.... When I first heard of the Revelation 12 sign it was way back in Nov/Dec 2016 time-frame. I originally thought it was a bunch of BS and did not put too much stock into. What first got me into really checking into this sign closer was learning of the Planet Jupiter being within the "womb" for over 42 weeks. That is when I started really checking into everything. The 9/23/2017 SIGN was the SUN, MOON, Stars and the planet Jupiter being within Virgo. That was the "SIGN" -- at that time I had only two concerns -- one was that Jupiter "left" the womb on 9/9/2017 (even though the "lines" within Virgo are made up) it still gave me pause because IF Jupiter represented the "Body of Christ" and If Body was to be raptured shortly after the Birth -- why was the "Birth" happening roughly 12 days in advance of the primary sign? Second concern was verse 3/4 -- where the "dragon sign" -- I could see nothing that would indicate it was the dragon -- nor did I see anything that might represent the dragon waiting at the bottom of Virgo -- for the Birth to happen. Was it a Sign from God? Of course it was -- God controls the movement of the sun, moon, planets, and stars ... and that alignment on 9/23/2017 is about as much as a 100% degree match to Revelation 12:1,2 as can be. So Yes it was / is a sign from God. What does the sign mean -- I like many people felt it was to mean "rapture time"? I NO LONGER think that is the meaning. I do think it has some type of meaning "pointing toward" the rapture -- but the "timing" of such event currently eludes me.
Micah 5: 2-3 “As for you, Bethlehem of Ephrathah, even though you remain least among the clans of Judah, nevertheless, the one who rules in Israel for me will emerge from you. His existence has been from antiquity, even from eternity. Therefore that ruler will abandon them until the woman in labor gives birth. Then the rest of his countrymen will return to the Israelis.I really think Micah 5 is KEY to everything going on and it is the BIRTH that is the important portion -- it is the "BIRTH" that must take place -- before the "ruler" will UN-Abandon His People (or turn back to Israel). After the 9/23/2017 date past -- I moved to believing the "BIRTH" must be when Jupiter left Virgo completely. After, that date past -- and still no rapture ... I have been second guessing myself constantly -- I still believe the BIRTH is the KEY. It may be the entire Sign was simply the "announcement" of the coming BIRTH -- but just as with a "real human baby" -- doctors can estimate all they wish of the expected DUE DATE -- but that Baby is only BIRTHED when God is ready to do so. You keep saying "birth" and that is part of what has been pounded into you. Would I be going to far to say that BIRTH is not the key but RESURRECTION is the key. Once you start realizing that it is a resurrection sign you will know what to do with a resurrection sign. Birth to resurrection is step one. I feel you will not like the suggestion. |
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Post by kjs on Nov 29, 2017 15:02:40 GMT -6
Will disagree with you here ....
But we may be saying the same thing .......
After all in Scripture, resurrection is figuratively called “birth.”
Multiple Bible verses about Born Again likened to Resurrection
1 Peter 1:3 In his great mercy he has given us new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead
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Post by mike on Nov 29, 2017 15:07:42 GMT -6
Dennis I wonder this about myself everyday!!!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2017 15:14:55 GMT -6
First, dennislwatson - welcome to the forum. and witness1 - thank you for being willing to test out ideas of others. I have stayed out of this multi-threaded topic since it began, but I feel I must weigh in at this time. I have not found much evidence in the 14 reasons, but had no reason to discard them either. However, when we begin to wonder when Pentecost is, we start to go down the common road of changing feast dates in order to accommodate new theories. The feast dates have a pretty good track record over history of being correctly positioned. In the case of Pentecost, why do we feel there is a dispute to the timing of Pentecost? Do we not realize the timing is built into it’s name? Or are we saying that since the beginning of it’s constitution, the Hebrew people have had the timing wrong - including it’s name? The timing seems accurate for the following reasons: 1. The name Pentecost means 50. 2. The obvious reading of the law says how to calculated it. 3. The counting of it points to a jubilee count (7 sevens) - which is a common pattern of God. 4. The timing of the first Pentecost is documented: Exo 19:1 In the third month, when the children of Israel were gone forth out of the land of Egypt, the same day came they into the wilderness of Sinai.
4. The new testament Pentecost was timed in scripture: Act 1:3 To whom also he shewed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs, being seen of them forty days, and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God:
Act 1:5 For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.
Do we really think they 120 were then in the upper room for another 59 days? Even though this would disagree with the stated day that it was Pentecost? I don't find that a credible theory. As to the drunk nature - it has to do with the fact that the 120 were speaking strangely. ---------- Now - those who follow me on this forum know that I am willing to see alternative and multiple meanings to scriptures. I believe that is how God's word works. So I don't remove the thought that there could be deeper meaning in some of what is being said in this account of pentecost. I just see a lot of numbers being thrown around that could just as easily point to other things. For instance - even if you wanted to use a 365 day count, why use an English calendar? Why not the 365th day of the hebrew secular year that started just prior to the sign? Or why not say, Pentecost is the day, but it actually at Pentecost? Clearly, none of us can "Know" and I don't want to stifle dennislwatson's enthusiasm, but the sign was something that scripture pointed to and said - this is it. Most of us who see God in the sign see it because of the clear scriptural reference. This is why you area receiving a decent amount of hesitation over the 14 points. We like to start with scripture that leads to truth, rather than a theory being build by trying to find matching potential scriptures. That doesn't make anyone right or wrong - but it does help, perhaps, to explain the resistance. Yes there is resistance. Especially from the generals. I get a kick out of the arguments about "the english calendar" or the day is "secular". If God wants to make a statement to the World about rapturing the church at the end of the year will be a great time to make the statement. He is not HONORING the Gregorian Calendar by doing this. He is WIPING IT OUT. This entire world is going to see that the God that they ignored, not only knows their calendar but knows what they are doing at the time, it will be personal. I don't really think God designed the Revelation 12:1,2 sign with the main purpose of having it be at the end of the year. But I see a lot of good in it. If God wants to be God He will do what He wants and when He wants. Further, There will be such a connection to the action of God at the end of the year, it is stated that the antichrist will propose to change the law and the times. He will not want it so easily calculated, when the rapture occurred. He will not want people talking about this. Here is what I am seeing. Virtually everyone believes what happened on September 23, 2017 was from God... BUT THEY DON'T KNOW WHY! Silentknight. May I ask you what you believe the purpose of the Sign was? I suggested a reason and there are members here who want to shut me down. Fascinating thing about Christians. Sometimes you wonder why God loves us. dlw, 1. It is the job of the "generals" to maintain a sense of tenancy over the forum - that is their appointed task. 2. I understand that some have brought up the argument that the gregorian calendar is secular and therefore an improper timing for God to use - however, please be careful not to lump ideas together. I did not say that. I said, why choose one over the other. My point was that even if you are correct about 365 - you may have the start day wrong. Therefore, I would want more evidence supporting the start date. 3. You did not deal at all with the issue of Pentecost timing - which is indicated in Exodus 19. Curious as to how that impacts your day count. 4. As to what I believe the purpose of the sign was? I believe the sign was the herald of the closing of the Age of Pentecost. You'd have to read some of my other posts to fully understand what I mean by that. I believe the sign was the birth announcement (which is the same as the resurrection announcement) of Emmanuel - the man child born to Zion, the bride of Christ, who is to be joined with Jesus Christ to rule and reign with Him for 1000 years. That rule and reigning with Him means to serve the nations in the administration of the righteous fiery law of God so that the inhabitants of the earth can learn righteousness. The sign may have started a day count, the sign may have just been announcing the season. Even if it did announce a count - it may or may not be known to us. Please keep in mind, I am not discounting the count idea. I am suggesting that your 14 reasons have not convinced me of the count you have selected and the Pentecost count seems to be proved incorrect based on Ex. 19:1. I am fully supportive of submitting these things to the Lord and to Scripture and asking Him to reveal that which we should know. And I am firmly convinced that He will reveal to us all that we will need to know in time to respond according to His will. Does that help? |
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Post by sesquipedalian on Nov 29, 2017 15:16:59 GMT -6
dennislwatson , I have one question. What other Scripture verses support your interpretation of Leviticus 23:15-16?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2017 15:21:52 GMT -6
To add another reason why the pentecost count is accurate historically:
The point of the Feast of Weeks is to count off to the waving the first fruits of the Wheat harvest. The first fruits would have been under ripe if this has been being done a month early for centuries.
Nature itself demonstrates the proper timing of the feasts.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2017 15:30:05 GMT -6
Full disclosure here - I have been part of many "fringe" groups of believers over the years. We have home schooled and home churched for decades. This tends to put us in touch with many people who have "excluded" themselves due to some sense that they are "better." They usually don't mean this in a negative way. We all make choices based on what we feel is our superior wisdom. Dark chocolate is simply better than milk chocolate and if you disagree that is because you don't know as much as I do.
Ok that was pure humor.
But the point is, that many of the groups I have been involved in, sooner or later, get around to changing the dates of the feasts based on their special interpretation of some scripture, life event, or cloud / tree combination they saw one night.
So I have been down this road many times with other good friends. We even saw it here among the watchers when the Sign didn't bring us home.
Yet, the testimony of the feasts is pretty well established in history, weather, and celestial events.
These are God's appointed times. Now, the rapture, does not have to follow those appointed times. But then let's just talk about the timing of the rapture - and not attempt to change the appointed times.
I say all this to show that I may be skewed a bit in my tolerance for changing the way the feasts are determined.
I do, very very much - appreciate your zeal, dlw. I just want to help direct it a bit, I suppose. But perhaps that is not my job to do. Then again - isn't that why you submitted your ideas?
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Post by dennislwatson on Nov 29, 2017 16:24:27 GMT -6
Will disagree with you here .... But we may be saying the same thing ....... After all in Scripture, resurrection is figuratively called “birth.” Multiple Bible verses about Born Again likened to Resurrection 1 Peter 1:3 In his great mercy he has given us new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead kjs - I know that not many people here on this forum do this. And therefore I know you are unfamiliar with the concept....BUT what you just did was "agree" with me. Thank you. See there...was that so difficult? Hope you have a sense of humor. Hah! |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2017 16:32:31 GMT -6
dennislwatson, I am curious as to your response to my 4 point answer to your comments to my comments. (That was a mouthful!)
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Post by witness1 on Nov 29, 2017 16:51:30 GMT -6
First, dennislwatson - welcome to the forum. and witness1 - thank you for being willing to test out ideas of others. I have stayed out of this multi-threaded topic since it began, but I feel I must weigh in at this time. I have not found much evidence in the 14 reasons, but had no reason to discard them either. However, when we begin to wonder when Pentecost is, we start to go down the common road of changing feast dates in order to accommodate new theories. The feast dates have a pretty good track record over history of being correctly positioned. In the case of Pentecost, why do we feel there is a dispute to the timing of Pentecost? Do we not realize the timing is built into it’s name? Or are we saying that since the beginning of it’s constitution, the Hebrew people have had the timing wrong - including it’s name? The timing seems accurate for the following reasons: 1. The name Pentecost means 50. 2. The obvious reading of the law says how to calculated it. 3. The counting of it points to a jubilee count (7 sevens) - which is a common pattern of God. 4. The timing of the first Pentecost is documented: Exo 19:1 In the third month, when the children of Israel were gone forth out of the land of Egypt, the same day came they into the wilderness of Sinai.
4. The new testament Pentecost was timed in scripture: Act 1:3 To whom also he shewed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs, being seen of them forty days, and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God:
Act 1:5 For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.
Do we really think they 120 were then in the upper room for another 59 days? Even though this would disagree with the stated day that it was Pentecost? I don't find that a credible theory. As to the drunk nature - it has to do with the fact that the 120 were speaking strangely. ---------- Now - those who follow me on this forum know that I am willing to see alternative and multiple meanings to scriptures. I believe that is how God's word works. So I don't remove the thought that there could be deeper meaning in some of what is being said in this account of pentecost. I just see a lot of numbers being thrown around that could just as easily point to other things. For instance - even if you wanted to use a 365 day count, why use an English calendar? Why not the 365th day of the hebrew secular year that started just prior to the sign? Or why not say, Pentecost is the day, but it actually at Pentecost? Clearly, none of us can "Know" and I don't want to stifle dennislwatson's enthusiasm, but the sign was something that scripture pointed to and said - this is it. Most of us who see God in the sign see it because of the clear scriptural reference. This is why you area receiving a decent amount of hesitation over the 14 points. We like to start with scripture that leads to truth, rather than a theory being build by trying to find matching potential scriptures. That doesn't make anyone right or wrong - but it does help, perhaps, to explain the resistance. Yes there is resistance. Especially from the generals. I get a kick out of the arguments about "the english calendar" or the day is "secular". If God wants to make a statement to the World about rapturing the church at the end of the year will be a great time to make the statement. He is not HONORING the Gregorian Calendar by doing this. He is WIPING IT OUT. This entire world is going to see that the God that they ignored, not only knows their calendar but knows what they are doing at the time, it will be personal. I don't really think God designed the Revelation 12:1,2 sign with the main purpose of having it be at the end of the year. But I see a lot of good in it. If God wants to be God He will do what He wants and when He wants. Further, There will be such a connection to the action of God at the end of the year, it is stated that the antichrist will propose to change the law and the times. He will not want it so easily calculated, when the rapture occurred. He will not want people talking about this. Here is what I am seeing. Virtually everyone believes what happened on September 23, 2017 was from God... BUT THEY DON'T KNOW WHY! Silentknight. May I ask you what you believe the purpose of the Sign was? I suggested a reason and there are members here who want to shut me down. Fascinating thing about Christians. Sometimes you wonder why God loves us. @silentknight , Thank you for weighing in. I was hoping someone with more knowledge than me would do so. My translation (ESV) for Exodus 19:1 says: "On the third new moon after the people of Israel had gone out of the land of Egypt." So it could be perhaps that there was a 3 month timeframe from the Exodus, but that doesn't necessarily mean the 3rd month of the year. If anything, I think this supports that there should be 3 months between Passover and Pentecost. Thoughts? PS... I get being leery of changing Feast Dates. cloud / tree combination they saw one night... Bwahahaha! |
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