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Post by dennislwatson on Dec 11, 2017 13:05:33 GMT -6
This is not about me and how I present a theory. It is about a theory. Silentknight. I am sorry. i did not read all your point above. I got to "assuming your answer to #1 is No" and stopped. My answer is yes of course God led me to this and here is the story of how He did...
(I will find my story, I have written it out. It will prove to you I am an idiot) HOW GOD LED ME TO SEE.pdf (745.02 KB)
and so would be krnboitae. It probably just really makes me look like an idiot I suppose to think that God led me not to discover a day, but a count, and then I found someone else had discovered the day, without the count. If someone will give me a two line summary of everything about me above I will read the summary.
I presented a theory
Here is the theory in two pages: THE END.pdf (334.61 KB)
and I would like as many people to consider it. I want people to see that there will be arguments against but though an argument or 15 arguments against is presented, the object is to weigh the probative value of an argument. 15 lightweight meaningless objections is not a refutation. However, they will sway unthinking people and juries. I will point out weak arguments. That is what even version 2 does.
I am interested in points, ideas, and the exchange of ideas. I am interested in what Scripture does say and less about what it might say. The members and moderators have expressed their doubt about my article because all the verses I quote, in their opinion, might say something else. OK. I get that. Let the guests figure out what is probative themselves. If you make a point and it is provable that is one thing. To disagree because you don't see it suggests your post should be short.
I am not a prophet. But they have spoken. And they have spoken about the rapture because the rapture is something that God will do AND I understand that krnboitae is convinced and at some point you just speak it. That is all he is doing. He feels he is fulfilling prophecy. I admire him saying what he did. Again, we look at Scripture. I know krnboitae looked at Scripture before he stated that above and I know he has prayed about making the above statement. The statement from Scripture which he believes he is fulfilling is this.
Joel 2:28King James Version (KJV) 28 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:
Joel is intrinsically connected to Pentecost because that is what Peter quoted from as he preached at the inception of Pentecost, a divine appointment that has not been fulfilled with a harvest, though it is a harvest feast. Now we are about to see the termination of the Pentecost Season AN ACTUAL HARVEST of a nation to be created in a day and krnboitae SAW IT FIRST. He believes he has been given something by God and wishes to prophecy. I say let him. If you are going to give him grief please get a black marker and cross out Joel 2:28 from your Bible. And he may call it prophesying because he is merely speaking out truth that the Prophets have already told us. What prophets? Again? Really? Enoch(365), Moses (shall count), Elijah (knows when raptured), Obadiah (2 groups of 50), Paul (last Trump), John(Rev 12:1), for starters.
Blessings.
People go to the last comment of a thread to see what is going on. Usually I will protect the last posted comment so that it will be encouraging to guests. I dislike last posted comments full of irrelevancy, anger, frustration, fear, and unbelief. When I see that I will bring it back and probably chastise the one that took it that direction. Version 2 will do that.
Oh and guests. Sorry, though I submitted two articles including the revised article to five doves a couple of days ago. John for some reason did not post. We will see next week I suppose. The last uploaded article on THE SECOND GREAT RESURRECTION SIGN from about 10 days ago is here...
www.fivedoves.com/letters/dec2017/2ND%20GREAT%20RESURRECTION%20SIGH%20UNSEALED%20REVISION%201.pdf
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2017 13:43:57 GMT -6
To honor Dennis' desire I am now departing from this thread. krnboitae, despite what some have hinted toward, I do not give you grief for your testimony and prophecy. I commend both you and Dennis for walking in the integrity of the faith you received when hearing God. May the Lord open my ears to hear Him better. |
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Post by dennislwatson on Dec 11, 2017 13:46:47 GMT -6
To honor Dennis' desire I am now departing from this thread. krnboitae , despite what some have hinted toward, I do not give you grief for your testimony and prophecy. I commend both you and Dennis for walking in the integrity of the faith you received when hearing God. May the Lord open my ears to hear Him better. Sorry that I had nothing to encourage you with. I consider that my huge failure. |
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Post by dennislwatson on Dec 11, 2017 17:07:52 GMT -6
Saints, I do want to encourage you. Here is how I do it. I take you to Scripture...
What I try to show is that the count for the end of the Pentecost Season in Leviticus 23, when initialized FROM the date of the SECOND GREAT RESURRECTION SIGN OF 12/23/2017
ENDS ON DECEMBER 31, 2017.
I call this sign...
SECOND - because the FIRST GREAT RESURRECTION SIGN was the resurrection of Jesus Christ Himself. After that a count started.
GREAT - because GOD himself called this sign "GREAT" in Revelation 12:1.
RESURRECTION - because Jesus was resurrected and it started a count. The countless millions of dead Church Saints will be Resurrected, after the count from a resurrection sign, and the Church Saints alive right now were a problem that had to be solved with the mystery of the rapture where Paul had to tell us that those who were alive would not "prevent" the resurrection of the dead Church saints. THE RAPTURE IS ALL ABOUT A RESURRECTION. Every reason you all thought the sign was about the rapture, can be modified to show that we all should have been watching for the initialization of a RESURRECTION SIGN.
SIGN - because GOD himself called this a "sign" in Revelation 12:1
OF 9/23/2017 - When I look at a diagram of what took place in the heavens in Jerusalem on 9/23/2017, I smile now, I thank God. Thank you that now we have understanding and encouragement.
Read the verses in Leviticus 23:15 & 16 and see if the count could be applicable
OH WAIT. First pray that the Holy Spirit of God would let you know what His Word says and means in this time...OK...now...Leviticus 23...
15 And ye shall count unto you from the morrow after the sabbath, from the day that ye brought the sheaf of the wave offering; seven sabbaths shall be complete: 16 Even unto the morrow after the seventh sabbath shall ye number fifty days; and ye shall offer a new meat offering unto the LORD.
Apply those verses here because perhaps the Pentecost Season (continual expansion of the Church) will end at the end of this Biblical count:
The Great Resurrection Sign of Rev. 12:1,2 September 23, 2017
ALL SABBATHS:
1 The first Sabbath after - September 30, 2017
2 The second Sabbath - October 7, 2017
3 The third Sabbath - October 14, 2017
4 The fourth Sabbath - October 21, 2017
5 The fifth Sabbath - October 28, 2017
6 The sixth Sabbath - November 4, 2017
7 The seventh Sabbath - November 11, 2017
ALL SUNDAYS
1 The morrow after the seventh Sabbath - November 12, 2017
50 The day of the end of the 50 day count - December 31, 2017
Please do not be concerned that the end of Pentecost count (Day 50) will not occur on the same day (Day 1) in Acts 2 that the beginning of Pentecost count started. THAT IS THE WHOLE POINT!!!! It will end when the church is COMPLETE ON DAY 50. That’s why Pentecost, in Acts 2 started on DAY 1. Day 1 was the beginning of the Church. Day 50 is the completion of the Church, now READY FOR HARVEST.
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I get encouragement from Martha's statement to Jesus just before Lazarus was raised. "I know he will rise again on the resurrection on the last day." Some have argued that Martha couldn't have known about this last day of December thing. I laugh and laugh at that argument because
THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT IT WAS NOT WHAT GOD INTENDED US TO LEARN. It could be. And if it was, it is so telling.
Martha did not know about the Gregorian Calendar. OK. Does that make a difference?
Scene: Just before death of Christ.
Character: Caiaphas the High Priest at this time.
What he said:Nor consider that it is expedient for us, that one man should die for the people, and that the whole nation perish not.
What he thought he said: We get rid of this guy and Rome won't bother us.
What God meant: It is fitting that God the Son should die for the sins of the world because frankly if He didn't do it there is no one else that can take care of sin.
How about this one
Scene: As Israel is advancing towards the promised land and Balaam is hired to curse Israel from a distance on a hillside.
Character: Baalam the hired gun who is supposed to curse Israel for hire.
What he said: I shall see him, but not now: I shall behold him, but not nigh: there shall come a Star out of Jacob, and a Sceptre shall rise out of Israel, and shall smite the corners of Moab, and destroy all the children of Sheth.
What he thought he said: "Is this coming out like a curse? it does not sound like it. Payment is nonrefundable"
What God meant: He can even have even a gentile prophet for hire say what He wants him to say. And here is what God wants him to say, "Israel will be blessed."
Oh, How about this one
Scene: An ass is carrying Balaam, the asses owner, on the way to curse Israel.
Character: Balaam's ass
What he said: What have I done unto thee, that thou hast smitten me these three times?
What he thought he said: Heeeeehaaawwww, heeeehaaawwww, heeeeehaawwww!
What God meant: You are such a ridiculous prophet that you are spending your time talking with your donkey and this cursing Israel thing is not going to end well. We remember Balaam as that ridiculous prophet that had an argument with his own ass. AND will for eternity.
Be encouraged Saints. When Martha said, "The Last Day" she meant "The Last Day" What God meant could be even more of a blessing.
Blessings Saints. Soon we rise and shine.
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Post by dennislwatson on Dec 11, 2017 18:05:25 GMT -6
Saints, I do want to encourage you. Here is how I do it. I take you to Scripture...
WISE MEN STILL SEEK HIM.
Matthew 2: 1Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem, 2 Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him. 3 When Herod the king had heard these things, he was troubled, and all Jerusalem with him. 4 And when he had gathered all the chief priests and scribes of the people together, he demanded of them where Christ should be born.
We know that the star conjunction that the wise men saw were conjunctions and perhaps retrogrades that they had been looking for perhaps since the founder of their school, Daniel, had told them. I think there was information that Daniel had that was not in the book of Daniel.
But, when I look at what is presented for the stars at the time the wise men were responding. It appears, that the star formation that we saw on 9/23/2017 was even greater in detail (no wonder God called the sign a "great" sign) than what the wise men responded to.
I believe this is possible because I don't believe men today are getting smarter. They are getting dumber. They got a lot of info. But they do not know how to use it. No one in Jesus day knew or expected Him to come...until they went to the book they were clueless, and then they found it.
Same thing today. There was a "great sign" in the heavens, most ignore, most Christians if they were observant of the sign interpreted it incorrectly. They thought the sign would be the event. That is childish and not appropriate for any adult who drives on highways.
My encouragement is this. Thank God that the wise men acted on the information they were given. I told a founding pastor at a church I went to on Sunday, when he told me yesterday that he had looked at it and determined the 9/23/2017 event in the heavens was NOT a sign, I responded with sadness and incredulity, "The wise men went to work on less information than was in OUR sign!"
So go to the Book, figure out what the Sign was for. God had designed their history so that when Jesus came to town on a donkey, the foal of an ass, it would be known to the JEWS that THAT DAY, THAT VERY DAY, was 173880 days from the issuance of a decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem. One of them, at least. And Jesus wept, again, (He had just been disappointed at Lazarus' death because the people had no clue what resurrection was or that it was in Jesus power to give life again, and they were sad with all that, and Jesus wept with them, I wonder if partly to join with their sorrow, and partly because here at the end of His ministry, AND EVEN TODAY, they do not understand the resurrection and its connection to Pentecost and 99 and 50 and Martha and Elijah and Enoch and the Levitical count, and ...oh just go read my article.)
If you are wise, you will be looking, you will know the day (Heb 10:25) and understand why it has to be that hour. (Rev. 3:3)
Blessings Saints. Soon we rise and shine.
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Post by dennislwatson on Dec 11, 2017 18:26:09 GMT -6
Saints, I do want to encourage you. Here is how I do it. I take you to Scripture...
A very interesting story that is pertinent to this Spring start of Pentecost, Winter end of Pentecost, idea and also, when you understand it, it is a blessing. Here is the passage.
Now wait. Here is what I am trying to tell you. The rapture of the Church is wrapped in agricultural language. It is a harvest, harvests occur in winter, or in late spring. Jesus knows he is coming back to wrap up the harvest of Pentecost. Jesus is comfortable with this agricultural language. He uses it all the time. Now the text...
John 12:
20 And there were certain Greeks among them that came up to worship at the feast:
21 The same came therefore to Philip, which was of Bethsaida of Galilee, and desired him, saying, Sir, we would see Jesus.
22 Philip cometh and telleth Andrew: and again Andrew and Philip tell Jesus.
23 And Jesus answered them, saying, The hour is come, that the Son of man should be glorified.
24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.
Do you see this. Jesus will not meet with Gentiles at this point because it will not be until the spring or early summer, through the inception of the Church THROUGH HIS WORK ON THE CROSS, at Pentecost, that God will begin to deal with the Gentiles. It is not the time now. First He has to die for them. So he brushes them off. He is not being impolite. He is focused.
Try to tell me that Jesus does not include these agricultural ideas as He refers to what is to come, the establishment of the Church, people from all nations...The language of Jesus speaks of wheat or barley or corn seeds which "seeds" are used to, 1)plant the Church, the seeds die (TO SELF), 2) let them keep growing and reproducing, 3) then a big harvest AT A TIME WHEN IT WILL BRINGETH FORTH MUCH FRUIT.
I find these words to support my contention that the HARVEST OF PENTECOST will occur at the end of the END OF THE PENTECOST COUNT which is set forth in Leviticus 23:15 & 16. Winter begins on December 21, 2017. Better harvest quickly, that grain won't last out there. I think God harvests pretty quick after that because Israel is reported to say, Jeremiah 8:20 "Summer is over, the harvest (the rapture perhaps) is over, and still we are not Saved!" AND, one more thing, remember the comforting words of the Bridegroom in Song of Songs 2, "10 My beloved spake, and said unto me, Rise up, my love, my fair one, and come away. 11 For, lo, the winter is past, the rain is over and gone." Why is winter past? You were raptured out of winter to winter no more, Saints. Be encouraged.
Blessings Saints. Soon we rise and shine.
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Post by barbiosheepgirl on Dec 11, 2017 18:34:27 GMT -6
dennis, "Winter is over on December 21, 2017"?
Over? it is the start of winter, isnt it?
just paying attention here, and reading...
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Post by dennislwatson on Dec 11, 2017 18:40:25 GMT -6
dennis, "Winter is over on December 21, 2017"? Over? it is the start of winter, isnt it? just paying attention here, and reading... Thanks. And I added a juicy Jeremiah 8:20 quote. AND a Song of Songs 2 quote. Blessings. |
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Post by krnboitae on Dec 11, 2017 19:37:52 GMT -6
To honor Dennis' desire I am now departing from this thread. krnboitae, despite what some have hinted toward, I do not give you grief for your testimony and prophecy. I commend both you and Dennis for walking in the integrity of the faith you received when hearing God. May the Lord open my ears to hear Him better. Hi brother! I am sure God will show you if you are walking with God and righteous, just ask him. Lets just say... 100 year old man and 90 year old woman was going to have a baby in 2017, can we believe it? we will probably all laugh at it. I would, too. But God proved it already in Genesis. He promises and delivers. Rapture is kind of like that too. At first, when God showed me, I was not 100% sure about the date. I didnt laugh but I was kind of like Abraham and Sarah. I couldnt believe it. I kept on asking God, is it the right date? Everytime I asked he showed me evidence after evidence in the bible. God is faithful. Let us all walk with God even though our time on the earth is limited. He will show us the more excellent way than having a baby at 100/90 years old. Love you all! Let us love our neighbors who does not believe in Jesus. Let us evangelize. Just distribute the seed, God will harvest. We just need to spread the good news. Thank you! and see you all soon in the heaven. |
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Post by dennislwatson on Dec 11, 2017 20:13:00 GMT -6
To honor Dennis' desire I am now departing from this thread. krnboitae , despite what some have hinted toward, I do not give you grief for your testimony and prophecy. I commend both you and Dennis for walking in the integrity of the faith you received when hearing God. May the Lord open my ears to hear Him better. Hi brother! I am sure God will show you if you are walking with God and righteous, just ask him. Lets just say... 100 year old man and 90 year old woman was going to have a baby in 2017, can we believe it? we will probably all laugh at it. I would, too. But God proved it already in Genesis. He promises and delivers. Rapture is kind of like that too. At first, when God showed me, I was not 100% sure about the date. I didnt laugh but I was kind of like Abraham and Sarah. I couldnt believe it. I kept on asking God, is it the right date? Everytime I asked he showed me evidence after evidence in the bible. God is faithful. Let us all walk with God even though our time on the earth is limited. He will show us the more excellent way than having a baby at 100/90 years old. Love you all! Let us love our neighbors who does not believe in Jesus. Let us evangelize. Just distribute the seed, God will harvest. We just need to spread the good news. Thank you! and see you all soon in the heaven.
Do you know why it is going to be tempestuous round about him? It is because there will be a desire of some, perhaps those who love his appearing, to be as close to Him as possible because we knew what was up when the rapture occurred (we were watching and had it down to day and hour) and had a head start on getting close to him. I have already admitted when I swim in the pool I practice rapture flying. Krnboitae, if you see me at the tumult, come my way, I will offer and I want you to climb over me because I will, I want..... to help you get close to the Master!!! Come over I will help you up! Blessings. |
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Post by dennislwatson on Dec 11, 2017 20:49:13 GMT -6
Oh. I forgot to tell you. Where did that verse come from......?it was from Psalm fifty
FIFTY FIFTY.pdf (330.14 KB)
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Post by dennislwatson on Dec 11, 2017 23:01:02 GMT -6
Actually ... any of you guys, Offer applies!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2017 0:36:16 GMT -6
Here is the theory in two pages:
, the provided link to the two page summary does not work. Looks like you have tried to add a link to your desktop. I think, some of us (me included) are interested in the short summary. Could you please upload the short paper again? Thank you for all your work here, still pondering (fifty fifty) and praying on the whole thing and you. |
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Post by dennislwatson on Dec 12, 2017 7:08:11 GMT -6
Here is the theory in two pages:
, the provided link to the two page summary does not work. Looks like you have tried to add a link to your desktop. I think, some of us (me included) are interested in the short summary. Could you please upload the short paper again? Thank you for all your work here, still pondering (fifty fifty) and praying on the whole thing and you. I tried again back where I had it before. I will stick it here also. Thanks for your interest. THE END.pdf (334.61 KB) Please someone confirm that this is working. Thanks. |
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Post by krnboitae on Dec 12, 2017 9:03:08 GMT -6
dennislwatson , the provided link to the two page summary does not work. Looks like you have tried to add a link to your desktop. I think, some of us (me included) are interested in the short summary. Could you please upload the short paper again? Thank you for all your work here, still pondering (fifty fifty) and praying on the whole thing and you. I tried again back where I had it before. I will stick it here also. Thanks for your interest. View Attachment Please someone confirm that this is working. Thanks. It is working! |
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