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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2017 19:14:11 GMT -6
@silentnight... I am asking this without a hint of sarcasm so please hear this for what it is... just curious what you think. Do you think it is possible to know the date ahead of time? If yes, can you conceive of what a convincing argument would look like? If not, did you ever previously think we could know but have now changed your mind? Thank you for sharing your thoughts! witness1, a perceptive question from you, once again. In my walk, I hold all my beliefs lightly in favor of my relationship with a living, speaking God. However, my position on eschatology is currently significantly different then the standard theories, doctrines, and “absolute” truths that have become the typical teaching of prophecy teachers in todays Christian Church. I used to hold to these “indisputable truths” - it was all I knew. But when God turned my life upside down in 1993, he set me on a path of discovering Him in a way that changed my perspective of much of scripture and of His plan for the ages. I do not contribute heavily to the prophecy threads because I would cause more division than good and people receive joy that I would just be quenching. Having said that - Yes. I do believe we will know the exact day and moment when we will experience the harpazo. I believe this for several reasons: 1. Scripture tells us we will not be caught by surprise 2. Scripture tells us God will reveal His plans to His prophets 3. Scripture tells us there is an order to the resurrection and that order reveals timing 4. The character of God is such that He will tell us 5. Scripture says the the wise will instruct many 6. We kind of already do know - we just don’t know that we know because we are blinded by modern doctrines that prevent us from seeing who God is and what is plan of the ages is. 7. I believe History will have presented us - at the time - with an indisputable testimony and God will present us with an indisputable call. Dennis read into my words more than their original intent. I was not referring to the disappointment and hurt. I was saying that perhaps some have grown wiser and that Dennis should not assume that people did not give his ideas a go - they just didn’t see a way to grab onto anything super solid. Does this answer the question you were asking? I just noticed you asked what a convincing argument would look like - I would like to answer that - but must run from the computer for now. I'll answer you later. |
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Post by dennislwatson on Dec 9, 2017 19:28:10 GMT -6
Can't wait for your answer silentknight
My answer would be..well you know...what I presented, Hah!
and, I think one of the requirements for an argument that would be correct about the kind of argument that would be what you expect to be from God is that Rule 1: As time went on there would be more and more revelation confirming the argument as God rewarded those Daniel 12:4 Saints who were watching and patient.
Like this. The date of December 31, 2017, as one person aghast at the idea said was "too secular" Here is what I just thought about this. It is prophesied in His Word that there will be great deception as the Church Saints leave the earth. God is allowing Satan to make the argument, "Your God would never do anything like this on such a SECULAR date. This was a day for celebration of Pan not any Christian day! This day is too secular! No Jewish God would ever act on such a meaningless date! THIS WAS NOT the rapture or the harfakeadzo if that is what you have been hearing!"
I don't know where the next step is after that but it is easy to go to some "alien" invasion or revealing of a higher race of some kind. It would be easy because there will be a plethora of "alien" like demons and fallen angels that have just come down to land on earth and when they arrive at customs offices they are going to say, "Badges? Badges? I don't got to show you no stinkin badges!!"
Oh another aspect of what one would expect in an argument that is from God and righteous is that Rule 2: If the argument were from God, then when a new revelation or idea is revealed, it only further clarifies the Word of God. There...Rule 2
And...I was just thinking of the Smyrnian Church and that Jesus said to them something like "you will have tribulation 10 days." My thought was that I have always questioned from what direction the tribulation for 10 days would come for them...
Rev. 2: 9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan. 10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life. 11 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.
So Saints, when I realize that we have been given a count of 10 days, and we already know that December 31, is the date, WHAT IS IT THAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN TO PERHAPS A PART OF THE CHURCH SUCH THAT THEY WILL HAVE TRIBULATION 10 DAYS?
So who are "them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan." I think this is a proactive synagogue of Satan. This is not just the weak and ineffective emergent Laodician Church. This here is prime cut, elite, banking owning the world rich and deceiving Luciferian garbage! So is something going to happen to part of the Church, or all of the Church in those days between December 21, 2017 and Decembef 31, 2017? I don't know but I don't intend to go out of town.
Rule 3: An argument from God about the date of the rapture would Provide Protection and a warning to those just prior to the Tribulation.
That date 10 days before the end of the count would be December 21, 2017 something about the end of Summer, something about the end of Hanakkuh, something about the beginning of the last 10 days before the tribulation begins (not the 70th week, that will occur when they finally get the peace deal together perhaps after an initial war) but Saints, does this make you become a Watcher! BEHOLD! That is what this is intended to do.
That brings me to state the above illustration in a Rules For Arguments From God:
Brings me to Rule 4: The kind of argument that I would feel would be from God, thus perfect and righteous, is that this special argument would cause you, in the confirmation thereof, to think of connections in Scripture, that you have never seen before, and they are all congruous with Scripture and it makes you look for more.
Blessings Saints.
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Post by witness1 on Dec 9, 2017 20:48:31 GMT -6
I have been thinking about those 10 days constantly. We have never accounted for them before, and I have been looking for a way to account for them all along. I think you are on to something.
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Post by dennislwatson on Dec 9, 2017 20:57:15 GMT -6
I'm sorry guys. Could not find my glasses. Had to make it bigger. It is not because I am trying to SHOUT! I just can't see it smaller.
Was just thinking about one of the primary Biblical reasons for this idea about the End of the Season of Pentecost Count in Leviticus 23:15 & 16 is that it was prophesied to come.
Daniel 12:4 said that knowledge would increase as we went over and over the book." Here was my thought about knowledge increasing, this is not referring to artificial or even false sciences, its referring to real truth. Now here we are at the end and those Saints that Daniel just prophesied would be shining bright are waiting and he knew we would be looking back at those words and expecting NOT NEW KNOWLEDGE ABOUT HOW THE SUMARIAN PRINCE ALJUBALDO did something or other. That's not the knowledge that will be new. What will be new is KNOWLEDGE ABOUT WHEN YOU PRE-SHINY SAINTS ARE ACTUALLY GOING TO BECOME SHINY. So Saints, when "new" knowledge, comes along that suggests you look at an INTENDED COUNT, maybe, even if you don't believe, you could pretend you believe because there would be a lot of information you could give people about why you were so misled and maybe you could even lead them to the Lord. God's truth will not go out void. AND, if by chance the INTENDED COUNT is actually going to be used by God (it is nothing we do, God does not care if you are counting except that He would like His Bride to know a little bit about HIs word so that you will be aware of the hints He gives you) to bring you to Him, you could say on the way up, "Maranatha!" rather than "What the _____?"
If an argument could be from God about the Rapture of the Church Rule 5: The argument WILL OF NECESSITY have new knowledge in it so that the argument can be confirmed as a fulfillment of prophecy!
The church was a mystery but it is a mystery no more!
Blessings Saints.
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Post by dennislwatson on Dec 10, 2017 10:14:30 GMT -6
Hey Saints - 3 Weeks till the end of the count. What will happen then? Some say nothing. A few are watching. I was just listening to Bill Engvall and laughing at those situations where he finds to say, "Here's your sign!"
Then, as I continued to think, I thought what would be a good response to those who say, "There will never be a rapture, that is a Jesuit lie!", or "The rapture does not occur till after you have survived the Nephilim during the Tribulation!" or "I think that No One Knows The Day or Hour!"
Well, "Here's your sign."
THE END.pdf (326.62 KB)
Blessings Saints. Soon we rise and shine.
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Post by barbiosheepgirl on Dec 10, 2017 11:58:56 GMT -6
Dennis, you made this comment: "So Saints, when "new" knowledge, comes along that suggests you look at an INTENDED COUNT, maybe, even if you don't believe, you could pretend you believe because there would be a lot of information you could give people about why you were so misled and maybe you could even lead them to the Lord. " says Dennis. This is Watcher Barbio, not moderator Barbio. I am enjoying your enthusiasm, and can see where you inject light-hearted humor. If we were at a table together having a cup of coffee, we would be agreeing to be witnessing the events that are marking God's transition out of this current Age we are in. Then I would take what you just said and reply: It is impossible for me to pretend to believe in something. And I would not want to share anything with someone that I myself pretend to believe... And, what was I "so misled" about? I am taking a sip of coffee because I got a little lost in your enthusiastic language, that's all. I have read and reread what you wrote and I am not getting your point..let's try again  |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2017 11:59:15 GMT -6
witness1 - the Hearing God thread would help you to more fully understand where I come from when the Word of God is involved - but I can encapsulate some of it here for you and make it more particular to this topic. My points are similar to dennis' points. We are wording things a bit differently. Constraints: We are defining what a convincing argument would look like when that argument is attempting to convince an audience that the Rapture will occur on a particular day in the future. Assumptions:
1. The Rapture is defined as: The Resurrection of the Dead in Christ, combined with the changing of believers, to the final effect of meeting the Lord in the air. 2. The Rapture is further defined as non-partial. In other words, there is one rapture. 3. A particular day in the future is defined as: A given day, month, and year, in the gregorian calendar or a series of days that deal with the possibility of the rapture not being single event, but one that is split over a three week period of time. (Dead rise, then alive are changed, then joined by the head, Jesus, to form one body - and presented to the Father). Agreement in Spirit - To start, my spirit would need to confirm the authenticity of the argument. I would need to hear God confirming the argument. This alone, would not give me assurance as I may be improperly dealing with all the elements I speak of in the Hearing God thread. If people are not used to hearing God in their life, they may see this as a invalid requirement. Confirmation from the Word of God - I do not mean this to imply the bible. I mean the Word of God. That is every word that proceeds from the mouth of God. Once again - Hearing God thread. This could come in a variety of ways. But I would expect that something as important as the day of the rapture, if being correctly heard and taught by someone, would be confirmed in a great number of ways - outside of the voice of the original hearer. I can believe the rapture will happen on a certain date - then I can study the bible looking for ways to confirm that date - those do not count as secondary confirmations in my mind because I have a huge idol in my heart - I think I know the date. So the confirmation would have to come in ways that are from other sources or things outside of my control or the control of the original hearer. I do believe a truly disciplined individual, who does not care about the outcome of their research can provide some of these secondary witnesses. But most of us are not this objective in our determination to find confirmation. Biblical Support - Now, I am talking about the bible - There should be some understanding of scripture that demonstrates the date provided is not contradicting properly interpreted scripture. Preferably, this would be even stronger, such as a way of looking at scripture that shows the positive affirmation of the date as an appropriate possibility. Here is where we open a huge can of worms, because without applying the appropriate spirit and mindset in hearing God we each interpret scripture differently. Keep in mind, centuries testify to great minds - including Newton - who have tried to figure this stuff out. Not necessarily the rapture, but the timing of the Day of the Lord. Most teaching on the rapture concept is newer than Newton and so it has shorter history of calculation. This is not something that will be “figured out”. Without revelation from God, we are not going to know the answer. However, we also understand that some things were hidden until the end and that knowledge will increase and so it is likely that revelation is occurring even now. Someone may see a new way of looking at scripture that reveals something previously hidden. I am not, at all, opposed to such insight. One AccordBut I think the final test for something like this is - we would know. I mean think of it - If God were really going to execute the resurrection and rapture in less than a month, I don’t believe we would be debating this at all. Perhaps we will only have a moment’s notice. But my expectation is that we will be in one accord (as dennis says). We are not and that alone may be the indicator. I would agree with some that say, the midnight cry came at the last minute. So our awareness may also come at the last moment - but remember - that cry was not for the bride - it was for the attendees. I'm pretty sure the bride has more warning. Now this get's into a new area of confusion and we all bring to mind who or what we perceive the bride to be. I'll leave that for another thread. I do not mean that everyone would have to agree either - many are blind. - - - - - - That is all I would need to be convinced. But if any of these were missing, it would remain an interesting, or possibly uninteresting, theory. In dealing with Dennis’ theory in particular - I am in agreement that the sign of 9/23 dealt directly with Pentecost. Just not in the same way that Dennis believes. I do not have agreement in spirit. I have seen minimal confirmation in the word of God (but there is some). I find the biblical support to be very subjective. We are not in one accord. However, I am not saying that Dennis is wrong, per se. Who am I do say such a thing? He has as much access to God as I do and God may have chosen him as His instrument to deliver this message. I do not believe that all the points of his theory are strong. Some are stronger than others. I completely agree with Dennis when he dismisses arguments against his theory such as the nature of the day itself being secular. Most of the Christian church is secular, or worse, these days. I don’t think God feels constrained to make sure not to offend Christianity. I also fully support Dennis' study, publishing his findings, calling for the body to engage, etc. He is AWAKE! Many are sleeping. That alone excites me. We could engage in a lengthy discourse on which points I find stronger than others, but I am not convinced that is a good idea at this point - I mean we are going to know in 20 days. The more interesting question is this - If he is right - how does that impact your life today? If he is wrong - how does that impact your life today? People often talk about "getting ready" or "preparing" or "being watchful". What does any of that mean? Can we be more prepared? Can we watch harder? If we believe one date or another does that make us more ready?
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Post by krnboitae on Dec 10, 2017 13:07:11 GMT -6
I have been thinking....
99 sheep = Church, Gentile/Jewish believers
1 lost sheep = Israel, Jewish non believers
99 days after virgo sign, God raptures 99 sheep which is the church and goes after the 1 lost sheep which is Israel, Jewish non believers.
Matthew 18:12
King James Bible
How think ye? if a man have an hundred sheep, and one of them be gone astray, doth he not leave the ninety and nine, and goeth into the mountains, and seeketh that which is gone astray?
God keeps showing me. 99 sheep is another hint for 99 days. He leaves 99 sheep in the heaven and he will never lose them. Now I truly understand this verse. I asked before...what if he loses 99 sheep when going for 1 lost sheep? Now it makes perfect sense. Another obvious sign that we could have missed!!!
I just want to point out 1 more thing. Just happen to notice this.
18x12=216
6x6x6=216
Antichrist comes after 99 sheep is raptured.
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Post by witness1 on Dec 10, 2017 14:19:26 GMT -6
The more interesting question is this - If he is right - how does that impact your life today? If he is wrong - how does that impact your life today? People often talk about "getting ready" or "preparing" or "being watchful". What does any of that mean? Can we be more prepared? Can we watch harder? If we believe one date or another does that make us more ready? Thank you for this reply! I agree with everything above and it is helpful to understand where you are coming from. And I think what you have written is quite thorough and profound. I have been asking myself the particular question quoted above ever since the beginning. You worded it so well. What does any of that mean? It's the new Christianese of the end times to "be ready and watching". It probably means different things for different people. For me, I desperately needed encouragement. My pastors laughed at me when I told them about the sign (they're post-trib), and after 50 days had passed, Satan had me cornered and whispered they were right to laugh. There were about 2 weeks where I decided we must have misinterpreted the sign and that a pre-wrath view must be the truth. I have seen a few comments here and there that people are "open to a pre-wrath view" now that the sign has come and gone. You know who I identify with? The Israelites waiting for Moses to come down the mountain. After he was up there so long, they began thinking their good God wasn't so good after all. And he wasn't so powerful after all. And they must have been wrong for believing in Him and needed to believe in something else. It pains me to say it, but it's true for me. If there is anything I've learned these last few months, it is that ALL glory and strength and honor belong to Christ. Left to myself, I doubt. I fear. Will God really be good? To me? My faith is so much weaker than I have fooled myself into believing in the past. Christ has sustained me through this waiting, and I pray with deeper conviction: "bind my wandering heart to thee". Left to my own, I would find a golden calf. So... if Dennis is right, I saw at least the POSSIBILITY that there is a date in 2017 that makes sense. Some evidence that God is still up there on the mountain and will come at just the right time with His perfect law. Something to say, "Let's study this direction and see what comes." I didn't have a direction to go or a direction to study. "Lord, I learned so much about the feasts. There was such beauty there. Thank you for letting me learn the incredible story you have written and fulfilled yourself. But what do I study now that the feasts are over? What else have you written that I haven't understood in the past and could dive into now?" Diving into the beauty of Pentecost, our ongoing Pentecost walk, how the center lamp stand is Jesus... that all gave me great encouragement. I knew that a study of the word would never be in vain, and that I might even find confirmation of Dennis' theory. And if Dennis is right... I think this may be important... I do wonder about those 10 days of tribulation. If there are 10 days of tribulation before the rapture (just speculation), I can see a great benefit in knowing that it will only be 10 days and not 3.5 years. If Hanukkah passes and we are still here (and I think we will be), and then tribulation for the church begins on 12/21, I will be thankful to know that it will be short. If Dennis is wrong... I have learned some beautiful things in scripture that has sustained me in the waiting. I will continue to pray, "bind my wandering heart to thee". So, another question for you @silentknight ! (And thank you for your incredible answer to my other question!) Do you think it made sense to count 50 days from the Great Sign? I know I certainly did! I counted for a long time after the sign, but after 50 days I thought, "I'm going to have to go back to 'real life' and make Christmas travel plans and RSVP to some weddings and buy the kids some winter clothes and do all the other stuff I thought I wouldn't need to do". Did counting 50 from Sept 23 to fulfill Pentecost make sense to you? |
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Post by witness1 on Dec 10, 2017 14:24:47 GMT -6
I have been thinking.... 99 sheep = Church, Gentile/Jewish believers 1 lost sheep = Israel, Jewish non believers 99 days after virgo sign, God raptures 99 sheep which is the church and goes after the 1 lost sheep which is Israel, Jewish non believers. Matthew 18:12 King James Bible How think ye? if a man have an hundred sheep, and one of them be gone astray, doth he not leave the ninety and nine, and goeth into the mountains, and seeketh that which is gone astray? God keeps showing me. 99 sheep is another hint for 99 days. He leaves 99 sheep in the heaven and he will never lose them. Now I truly understand this verse. I asked before...what if he loses 99 sheep when going for 1 lost sheep? Now it makes perfect sense. I just want to point out 1 more thing. Just happen to notice this. 18x12=216 6x6x6=216 Antichrist comes after 99 sheep is raptured. I always questioned that verse too for the same reason... "He would lose 99 sheep that way!" How incredible to think He leaves us in heaven so as to not lose us! |
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Post by dennislwatson on Dec 10, 2017 15:10:19 GMT -6
The more interesting question is this - If he is right - how does that impact your life today? If he is wrong - how does that impact your life today? People often talk about "getting ready" or "preparing" or "being watchful". What does any of that mean? Can we be more prepared? Can we watch harder? If we believe one date or another does that make us more ready? Thank you for this reply! I agree with everything above and it is helpful to understand where you are coming from. And I think what you have written is quite thorough and profound. I have been asking myself the particular question quoted above ever since the beginning. You worded it so well. What does any of that mean? It's the new Christianese of the end times to "be ready and watching". It probably means different things for different people. For me, I desperately needed encouragement. My pastors laughed at me when I told them about the sign (they're post-trib), and after 50 days had passed, Satan had me cornered and whispered they were right to laugh. There were about 2 weeks where I decided we must have misinterpreted the sign and that a pre-wrath view must be the truth. I have seen a few comments here and there that people are "open to a pre-wrath view" now that the sign has come and gone. You know who I identify with? The Israelites waiting for Moses to come down the mountain. After he was up there so long, they began thinking their good God wasn't so good after all. And he wasn't so powerful after all. And they must have been wrong for believing in Him and needed to believe in something else. It pains me to say it, but it's true for me. If there is anything I've learned these last few months, it is that ALL glory and strength and honor belong to Christ. Left to myself, I doubt. I fear. Will God really be good? To me? My faith is so much weaker than I have fooled myself into believing in the past. Christ has sustained me through this waiting, and I pray with deeper conviction: "bind my wandering heart to thee". Left to my own, I would find a golden calf. So... if Dennis is right, I saw at least the POSSIBILITY that there is a date in 2017 that makes sense. Some evidence that God is still up there on the mountain and will come at just the right time with His perfect law. Something to say, "Let's study this direction and see what comes." I didn't have a direction to go or a direction to study. "Lord, I learned so much about the feasts. There was such beauty there. Thank you for letting me learn the incredible story you have written and fulfilled yourself. But what do I study now that the feasts are over? What else have you written that I haven't understood in the past and could dive into now?" Diving into the beauty of Pentecost, our ongoing Pentecost walk, how the center lamp stand is Jesus... that all gave me great encouragement. I knew that a study of the word would never be in vain, and that I might even find confirmation of Dennis' theory. And if Dennis is right... I think this may be important... I do wonder about those 10 days of tribulation. If there are 10 days of tribulation before the rapture (just speculation), I can see a great benefit in knowing that it will only be 10 days and not 3.5 years. If Hanukkah passes and we are still here (and I think we will be), and then tribulation for the church begins on 12/21, I will be thankful to know that it will be short. If Dennis is wrong... I have learned some beautiful things in scripture that has sustained me in the waiting. I will continue to pray, "bind my wandering heart to thee". So, another question for you @silentknight ! (And thank you for your incredible answer to my other question!) Do you think it made sense to count 50 days from the Great Sign? I know I certainly did! I counted for a long time after the sign, but after 50 days I thought, "I'm going to have to go back to 'real life' and make Christmas travel plans and RSVP to some weddings and buy the kids some winter clothes and do all the other stuff I thought I wouldn't need to do". Did counting 50 from Sept 23 to fulfill Pentecost make sense to you? ABSOLUTELY!! We have gone through it all before. I, myself, 3 times. And each time I did it was with regret because I thought the day brought God so much Glory in the things it revealed. My reluctant agreement with God was this, "God, I don't mind if you did not use that Great Day! Seems like such a waste to me. But I will agree to a delay if you show me a day coming up that has EVEN MORE GLORY FOR YOU IN IT. Amen and Maranatha!" I have done this THREE times. This prayer has been answered THREE times. So, if this is not the date WITH THIS MUCH GLORY IN IT for Him, (I can't wait to preach on this stuff in the Kingdom) then IT IS ONLY GOING TO GET BETTER. And with that, I will watch the Rose Bowl and start searching Scripture for the real signs. Amen. But for now I love this because as I was obedient about going to church this morning, because of Hebrews 10:25, I do in fact "see the day approaching" and I am even getting told about the hour mentioned in Revelation 3:3, but the Lord gave me three more sections of Scripture that speak to where we are right today. I will be posting them soon. Blessings. |
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Post by dennislwatson on Dec 10, 2017 15:13:00 GMT -6
Dennis, you made this comment: "So Saints, when "new" knowledge, comes along that suggests you look at an INTENDED COUNT, maybe, even if you don't believe, you could pretend you believe because there would be a lot of information you could give people about why you were so misled and maybe you could even lead them to the Lord. " says Dennis. This is Watcher Barbio, not moderator Barbio. I am enjoying your enthusiasm, and can see where you inject light-hearted humor. If we were at a table together having a cup of coffee, we would be agreeing to be witnessing the events that are marking God's transition out of this current Age we are in. Then I would take what you just said and reply: It is impossible for me to pretend to believe in something. And I would not want to share anything with someone that I myself pretend to believe... And, what was I "so misled" about? I am taking a sip of coffee because I got a little lost in your enthusiastic language, that's all. I have read and reread what you wrote and I am not getting your point..let's try again Yes. I agree. It was too convoluted and I see your point. It is weird. I will change it. Thank you for pointing this out. You are awesome! However, there is one things that I thought of ... and that is that belief is not an accident, it is purposeful. And, there is this statement out there which has been in my mind for scores of years, "You can act yourself into a new way of thinking a lot easier than you can think yourself into a new way of a acting." In other words, if you knew you were to act Joyful, you would act that way. This is not dishonest. This is practical. Aren't there commands to "Be Joyful!"? I thnk you are supposed to do that even when you feel sorrow. You do it by faith. Again, that is not dishonest, that is making your actions a prayer before God and perhaps He will make you feel the same way you are acting." This is not weird. This is exactly why actors, as they do their pretending, sometimes fall in love. They act their way into a new way of thinking. Think Bradjelina.They are not in control of their feelings. You are in control Saint. I say, start acting confident in God's Word and you will be confident in God's Word. Sorry if you don't appreciate this. This helped me in the past and I am just one old hungry beggar showing you where i found food. Blessings |
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Post by dennislwatson on Dec 10, 2017 16:29:51 GMT -6
MARTHA, MARY, JESUS AND LAZARUS
AND THE NEWS ABOUT THE RESURRECTION
Saints! I hope you don’t mind this. But I have to tell you what God showed me this morning as I underwent my weekly obedience lesson with respect to Hebrews 10:25. Since I do, in fact, see the day approaching, I am told I must not forsake the assembly. And I did go. And while I was there I thought of three more confirmations from various sections of Scripture. This is one of them.
Though I think of you on Unsealed as my brethren and kind of as an assembly I still am uncomfortable unless I go to Church so that is what I did today.
I took a print out of my latest article to the founding pastor of a Church I have come to a couple of times. I am relatively new in the area and still trying to find a regular place of worship. Weeks ago I had given him the earlier points mixed up one that I revised and expanded so I thought I would give him the one that is more orderly now. I handed it to him this morning and he told me that he had looked at the Revelation 12:1,2 passage and knew of what some were saying about what happened in the stars but he did not think it was a sign. I said to him, “Then you find nothing in my article except the task of telling me I am wrong and you find nothing encouraging there.” He says, “I don’t think it was a sign.” I was sad. He is my brother too. He will not miss the rapture. However, he is missing out on joy. And he is a shepherd...probably 500 Christians at that Church and thus not one at that church will even be able to consider this message.
I told him, “You know, the Wise Men, got prepared to travel and prepared their gifts on less information than what we had in the sky on September 23rd.” He, just shook his head. I said you know, “I think it is important to know the signs of the times. Jesus thought it important.” He said, “Oh I started writing out a response to your points.” I just told him you can’t really make me unsee what God has shown me and we left it there.
Saints, here at Unsealed, for the most part I truly do believe you are my brothers. This is true for you who are guests and members and administrators who lurk, I also feel like dennislwatson has had a meeting with Jesus prior to coming here where He told me stuff about the resurrection that I had not seen before. I came to Unsealed so excited to tell you this stuff and I simply find that most here were just mad at God because He is close with that Sign but he did not come when you all thought He was coming.
For others perhaps, who did not think the sign was the rapture, you were just confused and not mad at God and those confused before the sign remained as confused after the sign as they were before the sign. I think now, after what I discovered this morning, is that all this lack of knowledge and encouragement frankly makes Jesus very sad.
However, I also learned something. If there is a chance that the website remains open to people after the rapture there will be a chance for this website to become a major witness to the world. This seems a slight chance and not likely with respect to the kinds of filters that would be applied across the earth to make sure no one was talking about the rapture in the right way. BUT JUST SUPPOSE, there were Israelites or other visitors to the unsealed website after the rapture. The words on this website could only encourage.
This would be an amazing place post-rapture to discover what took place. You all have prepared for that on the site but I know there are visitors to this website, reading even this post, and I am talking to you right now. God wants your joy to be right now!!! He is coming soon! Jesus met with me in His word to give you a message about the resurrection and I am so excited I can barely wait to tell you and then you rush off with opposition, won't even hear me out (I know some of you disagree because you either think that Pentecost will be on Pentecost next year or that Jesus won't come until Feast of Trumpets next year but for both of you then TELL ME WHAT THE SIGN MEANS!!!) because you are angry that God did not come when you wanted Him to come. And even now some of you are so ticked and dead that you STILL have not read what God gave me.
Once again saints…I am here trying to encourage you.
May I tell you a parable?
Imagine that you, any member, or guest of Unsealed are my brother or sister but lets just say brother. And lets say one of our beloved other brothers has just died and it is today, December 10, 2017
In this story, dennislwatson, will be Martha.
Unsealed, whether moderator, member or guest will be Mary.
Over the past couple of weeks I have just got learned in a big way about the Resurrection from Jesus Himself.
The story goes like this…
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Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead.
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And I am glad for your sakes that I was not there, to the intent ye may believe; nevertheless let us go unto him.
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Then said Thomas, which is called Didymus, unto his fellow disciples, Let us also go, that we may die with him.
(I'm sorry! DOUBTING Thomas is clueless...that is what doubt causes)
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Then when Jesus came, he found that he had lain in the grave four days already.
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Now Bethany was nigh unto Jerusalem, about fifteen furlongs off:
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And many of the Jews came to dennislwatson and Unsealed, to comfort them concerning their brother.
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Then dennislwatson, as soon as he heard that Jesus was coming, went and met him: but Unsealed sat still in the house.
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Then said dennislwatson unto Jesus, Lord, if thou hadst been here, my brother had not died.
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But I know, that even now, whatsoever thou wilt ask of God, God will give it thee.
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Jesus saith unto dennislwatson, Thy brother shall rise again.
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dennislwatson saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.
(and here is a 70 page article of stuff He gave me that confirms 20 THINGS ABOUT THE LAST DAY!!! At beginning of thread!)
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Jesus said unto dennislwatson, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
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And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?
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dennislwatson saith unto him, Yea, Lord: I believe that thou art the Christ, the Son of God, which should come into the world.
(with this confession I decided to believe that Jesus told me EXACTLY when He was coming)
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And when dennislwatson had so said, he went his way, and called Unsealed his brother secretly, saying, The Master is come, and calleth for thee.
(He has got great news for you about the Sign and the Resurrection, I think maybe...oh you are off so soon...bye, Can you hear me...No? Unsealed? man he went off in a hurry....yelling to the distance but he is out of earshot "I think when He comes He will raise Lazarus, Can you hear me? No?....")
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As soon as Unsealed heard that, Unsealed arose quickly, and came unto him.
(You guys told me that you were praying about it, you were thinking about this news but it was not really welcome news because you were hoping for something else)
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Now Jesus was not yet come into the town, but was in that place where dennislwatson met him.
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The Jews then which were with Unsealed in the house, and comforted Unsealed, when they saw Unsealed, that Unsealed rose up hastily and went out, followed, saying, Unsealed goeth unto the grave to weep there.
(I'm sorry to say this, but laughing, wow the moderators of Unsealed did not like what I was saying and they comforted those on Unsealed who were offended by me)
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Then when Unsealed was come where Jesus was, and saw him, Unsealed fell down at his feet, saying unto him, Lord, if thou hadst been here, my brother had not died.
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When Jesus therefore saw Unsealed weeping, and the Jews also weeping which came with Unsealed, he groaned in the spirit, and was troubled,
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And said, Where have ye laid him? They said unto him, Lord, come and see.
(your dead spirits not yet encouraged to life with joy and faith)
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Jesus wept.
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Then said the Jews, Behold how he loved him!
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And some of them said, Could not this man, which opened the eyes of the blind, have caused that even this man should not have died?
(Couldn’t He have come on September 23, 2017?)
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Jesus therefore again groaning in himself cometh to the grave. It was a cave, and a stone lay upon it.
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Jesus said, Take ye away the stone. dennislwatson, the brother of him that was dead, saith unto him, Lord, by this time he stinketh: for he hath been dead four days.
(and you know Saints, that is exactly the kind of thing I would say)
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Jesus saith unto dennislwatson, Said I not unto thee, that, if thou wouldest believe, thou shouldest see the glory of God?
(I knew He was going to do something great real quick and I am TRYING TO SHOW YOU THE GLORY GOD HAS SHOWN ME!!!)
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Then they took away the stone from the place where the dead was laid. And Jesus lifted up his eyes, and said, Father, I thank thee that thou hast heard me.
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And I knew that thou hearest me always: but because of the people which stand by I said it, that they may believe that thou hast sent me.
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And when he thus had spoken, he cried with a loud voice, Lazarus, come forth.
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And he that was dead came forth, bound hand and foot with graveclothes: and his face was bound about with a napkin. Jesus saith unto them, Loose him, and let him go.
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Then many of the Jews which came to Unsealed, and had seen the things which Jesus did, believed on him.
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I love this! Unsealed, there is a great future for you all, whether member or guest. Do you see, AFTER the resurrection of Lazarus, the Jews which had seen the things which Jesus did (THEY JUST SAW THE RAPTURE COULD IT BE CLEARER? Arrrrrrrggggghhhhhh!!!!!) they BELIEVED ON HIM! SEE THAT! AFTER THE RAPTURE OF LAZARUS! THEY SAW, THEN, ONLY THEN, THEY BELIEVED!!! Maybe there will be post-rapture views of this site. What we do here and what you believe here make a difference for them.
Do I need to point out the other parallels saints or can you do that on your own?
Blessings Saints, Soon we rise and shine.
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Post by dennislwatson on Dec 10, 2017 18:20:16 GMT -6
I have been thinking.... 99 sheep = Church, Gentile/Jewish believers 1 lost sheep = Israel, Jewish non believers 99 days after virgo sign, God raptures 99 sheep which is the church and goes after the 1 lost sheep which is Israel, Jewish non believers. Matthew 18:12 King James Bible How think ye? if a man have an hundred sheep, and one of them be gone astray, doth he not leave the ninety and nine, and goeth into the mountains, and seeketh that which is gone astray? God keeps showing me. 99 sheep is another hint for 99 days. He leaves 99 sheep in the heaven and he will never lose them. Now I truly understand this verse. I asked before...what if he loses 99 sheep when going for 1 lost sheep? Now it makes perfect sense. I just want to point out 1 more thing. Just happen to notice this. 18x12=216 6x6x6=216 Antichrist comes after 99 sheep is raptured. I always questioned that verse too for the same reason... "He would lose 99 sheep that way!" How incredible to think He leaves us in heaven so as to not lose us! I was thinking He would delay the gathering to the VERY VERY VERY end of the 99th day because He so wants to find that 100th sheep, at the VERY VERY VERY last hour. I think the 11th hour parable that Jesus taught kind of obligates Him to even delay to get that LAST LAST LAST believer at very end of the LAST LAST LAST day. Is He successful? Unfortunately, He is with the last guy that becomes a part of the Church. But if that last sheep is Israel, He will have to find another way. Like with the time of Jacob's trouble. |
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Post by krnboitae on Dec 10, 2017 19:35:37 GMT -6
I always questioned that verse too for the same reason... "He would lose 99 sheep that way!" How incredible to think He leaves us in heaven so as to not lose us! I was thinking He would delay the gathering to the VERY VERY VERY end of the 99th day because He so wants to find that 100th sheep, at the VERY VERY VERY last hour. I think the 11th hour parable that Jesus taught kind of obligates Him to even delay to get that LAST LAST LAST believer at very end of the LAST LAST LAST day. Is He successful? Unfortunately, He is with the last guy that becomes a part of the Church. But if that last sheep is Israel, He will have to find another way. Like with the time of Jacob's trouble. Hi Mr.Watson Is 11th hour between 4-5PM Israel time? If thats the case, in Korea it will be 11PM and 11:59 PM Korea time Dec 31st. In USA, it will be 9-10 AM Eastern time and 6-7 AM Pacific time on Dec. 31st. I am really curious about the hour because of the different time zones. I am not trying to know the hour but... Which time fits whole world to be on the same day? Anybody know? Did Jewish time in the past start the new day at sunset? end at sunrise? If God raptures us 11PM Israel time Dec 31st, it would be 6AM on Jan. 1st in Korea. Hopefully all countries go on rapture before 11:59PM their own time on Dec 31st. |
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