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Post by katmak on Nov 29, 2017 9:37:16 GMT -6
I will NOT hear of any slander against my man, yardstick He's the reason my kid's passing Algebra this year! I pray for his beautiful mind on a regular basis. Be blessed, y'all! Love all your contributions here.
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Post by yardstick on Nov 29, 2017 10:25:41 GMT -6
Lol mike ! I was just thinking that after reading about @yardsticks questions being hard, that yep he sure makes you think and pick your brain! Thanks yardstick for making our brains smoke a bit I stand ready with a fire extinguisher, should your head spontaneously combust...
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Post by yardstick on Nov 29, 2017 10:26:23 GMT -6
I will NOT hear of any slander against my man, yardstick He's the reason my kid's passing Algebra this year! I pray for his beautiful mind on a regular basis. Be blessed, y'all! Love all your contributions here. I am sure there was no slander. How is your child doing in algebra? Any more trouble?
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Post by yardstick on Nov 29, 2017 11:38:05 GMT -6
You must be a scientist. Say perhaps a chemistry teacher. Why are your questions so hard to answer? Rev. 17:14, "These (those with the beast) shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful." Rev. 14:1, "And I looked and lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads." Rev. 19:19, "And I saw the beast and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army. Thus, the army of God is the 144,000. Also, in speaking of the beast, Rev. 13:10 states, "He (the beast) that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he (the beast) that killeth with the sward must be killed with the sward...." The beast is put into captivity in Rev. 19:20 and the remnant of the beast's army is slain with the sward in Rev. 19:21. The key is in the metaphors. I am not a scientist, but I play one on TV. Just kidding. IDK why they are hard. I believe God has gifted me with the ability to 'poke holes' in things. I can offer to say that the Creator is not just a passionate, and emotionally loving God, but also a God of logic and reason and patterns. I believe scripture passages must have logical explanations, even if we do not know what they are, or cannot figure it out. Thus, I ask 'why' and seek explanations that make sense [to me]. I can also say that one of the things believers are supposed to do is to compare things in light of what scripture says. With an infinitely dimensional, omniscient Creator who has communicated to our three-dimensional selves through the scriptures (dumbed it down for us, so to speak), I believe He has provided all of the answers necessary in His Word. As knowledge has increased, different 'perspectives' on the messages provided in the scriptures start to become visible. Nevertheless, they must still be compared in light of what is already known. They should make some kind of sense to the general population. 'Special revelation' is for an individual, and should not be shared, because the perspective is often not digestible by most people. They just won't can't get it; and it can cause some serious divisiveness in the Body of Christ. Much of what you post is in that category of 'different perspectives'. Indeed, there have been a number of new people here with unconventional approaches to the understanding of the Word of God. Even Scotty woke a lot of people up with the Rev 12:1 interpretation on 9/23 using stellarium. I try to see whether such unusual observations/hypotheses can be reconciled with orthodox interpretations. Sometimes they can't. Sometimes the orthodoxy needs to be re-evaluated. Sometimes the new perspective is flawed and should be corrected. I have been able to reconcile some of what you have posted as hypotheses here. Some I cannot reconcile. Most of the time, it looks like you're just using different words, but the interpretation or intent is the same or similar. Thank you for pointing out these passages. I would like to dialogue a bit on them if you do not mind. Rev 17:14 - This passage does not directly exclude the possibility that the followers of Christ will be active in the battle at Megiddo; notwithstanding that the sword that proceeds from the mouth of our Lord is explicitly shown to be that which slays his enemies. I think the orthodox view is that Christ is still doing all the work in this battle, we just follow Him; which makes for a nice parallel to the general concept salvation and of following Christ - He did it all. We did nothing. Thus, I find that your perspective on the 144,000 waging war does seem to play around in the gray area some (where scripture is not crystal clear). This is not a no-no, afaik. Rev 14:1 - It occurred to me this morning that this passage does not specify whether it occurs before the battle at Megiddo, or after! Heretofore, I have generally considered this to be the moment the Lord touches down on Mount Zion. But wait! What if it is a representation of His rule/reign well after the battle? Kinda where he holds court between the end of the battle and the beginning of the millennium? If the former, your perspective on the 144,000 makes more sense. If the latter, both orthodoxy and your perspective may be off. It's difficult to tell. Rev 19:19 - Does this passage not also include those who were saved prior to the tribulation, and those saved during the tribulation? I can see how it would not preclude the 144,000 from being present; but as I noted before: from what I can see, the 'job description' of the 144,000 is not clearly stated in scripture. So them being warriors is not precluded, imho. In essentials: Unity. In non-essentials: Liberty; and in all things: Charity. General understandings and explanations of prophecy are usually, imho, not essentials. But that does not mean we should not discuss and debate vigorously. Thanks for reading.
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Post by yardstick on Dec 1, 2017 20:41:11 GMT -6
... The Psa 83 antagonists appear to (geographically/historically) be: Edom, Moab, Ammon, Amalek, Hagrites - JordanIshmaelites - Saudi Arabia (maybe) or Jordan (I am now leaning towards Jordan due to the latest activity between Israel, Saudi Arabia and the U.S.) Philistia - Gaza StripByblos, Tyre - LebanonAssyria - TurkeyI note here that Syria is not in the list for the Psa 83 war.unsealed.boards.net/thread/1124/growing-threats-israel#ixzz4zasTeyYs... Given the new article below, what do you think the chances are that the U.S. recognizing Jerusalem as Israel's capital will touch off the Psalm 83 war? www.timesofisrael.com/trump-will-recognize-jerusalem-as-israels-capital-in-wednesday-speech-report/I can easily imagine the antagonists listed above as reacting with an immediate (or near immediate) invasion of Israel in an attempt to 'take back' Jerusalem...
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Post by boraddict on Dec 1, 2017 22:03:31 GMT -6
That is big news. Truly a sign of the times.
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Post by domagb on Dec 2, 2017 2:37:16 GMT -6
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