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Post by daniel on Nov 21, 2017 12:24:24 GMT -6
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Post by klb on Nov 21, 2017 14:55:26 GMT -6
Wow Daniel! Beautifully written! Thank you for your words of encouragement!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2017 15:13:36 GMT -6
Fun stuff Daniel. I appreciate your time and attention to this writing.
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Post by chohouston on Nov 21, 2017 18:47:23 GMT -6
Awesome stuff! Had some eye opening moments... This is a lot of work compiled and commend you for this! 👏 |
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Post by mike on Nov 21, 2017 19:10:32 GMT -6
Thank you daniel for sharing your heart and information with us. It is well written and from a position of a contrite heart |
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Post by daniel on Nov 22, 2017 9:42:36 GMT -6
Thanks so much for the thoughts, everyone. Much appreciated!
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Post by dennislwatson on Nov 26, 2017 16:07:44 GMT -6
Thanks so much for the thoughts, everyone. Much appreciated! Love the idea. I will put it in the hopper for further development. It does seem to be a waste of the potential righteous energy of perhaps millions of incorruptible bodies in heaven to be sitting around. I mean, I will need time to adjust. Certainly, there has to be a learning curve. When I get my "Incorruptible Body Maintenane Tips" from Jesus (who already went through the process of going from human to incorruptible human) so, He will have additional information for us I am sure. The thought that we could be used by God during the Tribulation..in an incorruptible body...is simply breathtaking. Thanks Daniel. |
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Post by boraddict on Nov 26, 2017 17:16:40 GMT -6
Hi Daniel, that is a lot of information. Nevertheless, you are traveling the same road as I.
I am convinced that we who go on the rapture are the ones that are watching for Lord Jesus. There are millions of us. Then 144,000 of our group will put down the beast. Once that is accomplished then the remainder of the saints from throughout the earth are gathered to Zion. Thus, I believe in three separate raptures the last of which is where Lord Jesus takes his people off the earth while it is receiving the gift of the Holy Ghost (baptism by fire).
We are the first ones that must wait upon the Lord. The second group that must wait upon the Lord are those attacked by the beast. Once they are gathered to Zion then all must wait upon the Lord a second time. That is, we must wait for him to come and stand upon the earth at Jerusalem. Then and only then will we be taken off the planet to an unknown location. I believe it to be the city of New Jerusalem that will descend after the burning has finished and the firmament restored as it was prior to Noah's flood.
Hang in there my friend. We are all anxious for this thing to begin.
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Post by daniel on Nov 27, 2017 8:18:41 GMT -6
Hi Daniel, that is a lot of information. Nevertheless, you are traveling the same road as I. I am convinced that we who go on the rapture are the ones that are watching for Lord Jesus. There are millions of us. Then 144,000 of our group will put down the beast. Once that is accomplished then the remainder of the saints from throughout the earth are gathered to Zion. Thus, I believe in three separate raptures the last of which is where Lord Jesus takes his people off the earth while it is receiving the gift of the Holy Ghost (baptism by fire). We are the first ones that must wait upon the Lord. The second group that must wait upon the Lord are those attacked by the beast. Once they are gathered to Zion then all must wait upon the Lord a second time. That is, we must wait for him to come and stand upon the earth at Jerusalem. Then and only then will we be taken off the planet to an unknown location. I believe it to be the city of New Jerusalem that will descend after the burning has finished and the firmament restored as it was prior to Noah's flood. Hang in there my friend. We are all anxious for this thing to begin. The multi-rapture idea has been swimming around in my head for a long time, and I was already considering it for the next writing. Thanks for the thoughts. When you say, "Then and only then will we be taken off the planet to an unknown location"... do you still believe the first rapture to God's throne room will be "off the planet"? Or do you think we are coming back to earth to wait? How do you reconcile those two thoughts? |
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Post by boraddict on Nov 27, 2017 21:41:51 GMT -6
Hi Daniel, that is a lot of information. Nevertheless, you are traveling the same road as I. I am convinced that we who go on the rapture are the ones that are watching for Lord Jesus. There are millions of us. Then 144,000 of our group will put down the beast. Once that is accomplished then the remainder of the saints from throughout the earth are gathered to Zion. Thus, I believe in three separate raptures the last of which is where Lord Jesus takes his people off the earth while it is receiving the gift of the Holy Ghost (baptism by fire). We are the first ones that must wait upon the Lord. The second group that must wait upon the Lord are those attacked by the beast. Once they are gathered to Zion then all must wait upon the Lord a second time. That is, we must wait for him to come and stand upon the earth at Jerusalem. Then and only then will we be taken off the planet to an unknown location. I believe it to be the city of New Jerusalem that will descend after the burning has finished and the firmament restored as it was prior to Noah's flood. Hang in there my friend. We are all anxious for this thing to begin. The multi-rapture idea has been swimming around in my head for a long time, and I was already considering it for the next writing. Thanks for the thoughts. When you say, "Then and only then will we be taken off the planet to an unknown location"... do you still believe the first rapture to God's throne room will be "off the planet"? Or do you think we are coming back to earth to wait? How do you reconcile those two thoughts? Hi Daniel, it is my belief that the Savior does not abandon the earth at all. It is special to him, and like he said: the meek shall inherit the earth (Matt. 5:5). Thus, I see the seven years of tribulation as an ongoing cascade of events in which the Savior brings about the earths paradisaical transformation. Thus, the water that fell during Noah's time must be returned to the firmament above (Gen. 1:7). This is done via a burning of the planet. It is for that reason that the saints must be taken off the earth. Like I said, this is my personal belief. That is the Rapture off the planet at the end of the seven years. However, there is a pre-tribulation and a mid-tribulation rapture as well. The first takes those who are looking for Lord Jesus and all others must wait. That is, those who look for Lord Jesus have the honor of going first. They are taken to a secure location in the northwestern U. S. Like I said, this is my personal belief. After the beast (Russia) is put down then the remainder of the saints are gathered. Also, I would like to say that there is nothing good or bad about my belief. However, it does not fit into the traditional Christian model. |
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Post by Natalie on Nov 27, 2017 21:57:59 GMT -6
boraddictIf a belief is not supported by Scripture, I would say that it is bad. We have locked your thread discussing your views on Revelation and the three raptures because it is not supported in Scripture. mike has further addressed your views in another thread with a warning that you are violating rule #1.
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Post by boraddict on Nov 27, 2017 22:05:52 GMT -6
Thank you, I will go back and reread rule 1.
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Post by boraddict on Nov 27, 2017 22:39:17 GMT -6
Rule #1. No debating core doctrines of the Christian faith. I am Okay here, I think.
If you are participating here you should be a committed Believer. I am solid on this one.
Seekers and non-Christians are more than welcome also, but this is a forum that honors God's Word and therefore arguments against His Word aren't for this forum... questions are welcome though! I am solid on this one.
For purposes of this forum, "core doctrines" are considered to be the historic tenets of Christianity:
One self-existent God, Check
the Trinity, Check
the Incarnation, Check
the virgin birth, Check
the full deity of Christ, Big Check
the substitutionary atonement, I need info on this one.
the literal and physical resurrection of Christ, Check
salvation through faith alone in Christ alone, Check
a literal and future bodily resurrection of the dead, Check
and a historical-grammatical interpretation of Scripture. Okay, here we are. I will correct myself on this one.
Premillennialism, a literal rapture of the Church to Heaven, Check
and a literal/historical interpretation of Genesis 1-11 Check
are also considered core doctrines.
I am not far off on rule number 1.
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Post by dennislwatson on Nov 27, 2017 22:52:31 GMT -6
Rule #1. No debating core doctrines of the Christian faith. I am Okay here, I think. If you are participating here you should be a committed Believer. I am solid on this one. Seekers and non-Christians are more than welcome also, but this is a forum that honors God's Word and therefore arguments against His Word aren't for this forum... questions are welcome though! I am solid on this one. For purposes of this forum, "core doctrines" are considered to be the historic tenets of Christianity: One self-existent God, Check the Trinity, Check the Incarnation, Check the virgin birth, Check the full deity of Christ, Big Check the substitutionary atonement, I need info on this one. the literal and physical resurrection of Christ, Check salvation through faith alone in Christ alone, Check a literal and future bodily resurrection of the dead, Check and a historical-grammatical interpretation of Scripture. Okay, here we are. I will correct myself on this one. Premillennialism, a literal rapture of the Church to Heaven, Check and a literal/historical interpretation of Genesis 1-11 Check are also considered core doctrines. I am not far off on rule number 1. You are a good sport boraddict. I once tried to join the Gideons because I was making missionary trips to India and they had some great Bibles I could take over there in my suitcases. Well on the application was the question, "Do you believe in a literal lake of fire?" Well, my thought was I knew that just a few verses from this statement was the description of Jesus destroying His enemies with a sword out of His mouth. That'l cause a lisp right there. So my explanation was that I did not know if it was a literal lake of fire but rather, was something like a lake of fire so that when we were in heaven we would point at it and say, "That's the lake of fire!" but I did not know if it looked like a lake...and what kind of fire does not consume...and...Well. I never became a Gideon. Apparently my application went all the way to the top and it was finally decided they could not whittle down the Gospel. I have always appreciated their honesty but sometimes I admit, like now, as I write about it, I laugh. Don't tell Gideons. Blessings. |
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Post by Natalie on Nov 28, 2017 8:20:25 GMT -6
boraddict : Here's some information for you: Substitutionary atonement: Simply, Jesus Christ died as a substitute for sinners. He took our punishment for our sins on Himself and took what we deserved so that we could have what He deserved (eternal life with the Father, a relationship with Him, etc) I find that often people know this they just aren't able to label it "substitutionary atonement." and just for more information for you: Premillennial rapture info www.gotquestions.org/rapture-of-the-church.htmlBiblical literalism www.gotquestions.org/biblical-literalism.htmlIf you have any questions, feel free to send me a message or start a new thread. Now, if we could return to discussing the original topic of the thread... 
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