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Post by homewardbound on Oct 16, 2017 15:18:13 GMT -6
Ok yardstick . I was referring to the fact cage brought up about the odds of what silentknight says happening the way it did. Maybe you have not read the original posting by silentknight. Twice there is a confirmation to the exact second in the day. You'd have to read it to fully understand it, but by my understanding, the odds would be 1 in 86400, twice. So doesn't that mean 1 in 86400 * 86400, or 1 in 7 billion? It was also a double witness. I'm not dealing with what silentknight is saying he was told. I'm just dealing with the confirmation that was provided. Wouldn't we have to put that in the amazing category? And wouldn't we then say, "well maybe we should look at this closer?" Or am I computing things wrong? I am probably missing something. namely the specifics of what is being debated here. Do you have links? Funny. unsealed.boards.net/post/7246 is the post that cage has been talking about. I am just wondering how to compute the odds of twice having the timing confirmed to the second. But I don't want to bore everyone else. |
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Post by yardstick on Oct 16, 2017 15:32:54 GMT -6
I am probably missing something. namely the specifics of what is being debated here. Do you have links? Funny. unsealed.boards.net/post/7246 is the post that cage has been talking about. I am just wondering how to compute the odds of twice having the timing confirmed to the second. But I don't want to bore everyone else. I just have been going over the relevant posts. I did a search on 86400. The 86400 comes from the number of seconds in a day. Its the probability that he looked up and saw 8:00:59pm switch to 8:01:00pm. So yes, if this occurred twice, you would square 86400. The story he related could be true. Or not. I note there is a math error in what he says. Jerusalem is 10 hours ahead of pacific time. That makes it 8 hours ahead of central time (wisconsin). If this is so, then 8:00pm in wisconsin is not 3pm in Jerusalem. However, the math error does not preclude the accuracy of the general message that he says he received. A second discrepancy, requiring corroboration, would be the crucifixion date, 33AD. Other than this being the 'traditional' year of the crucifixion of Christ, others have looked using stellarium, and based upon signs in the heavens, found the date to be 31AD. I lean towards the 31AD camp, because it is corroborated by the 2BC sign of the Son of Man as shown in stellarium combined with the tradition that Jesus was 33 when he died, had a three year ministry, and priests in the temple cannot serve as such before they are 30). Without 2-3 corroborating witnesses, his statements are speculation, imho. Thus, they should be debated and studied. |
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Post by disciple4life on Oct 16, 2017 15:54:35 GMT -6
Hello Brothers and sisters, Disciple4life here. My sincere apologies to @cage. In our dialogue, he referred to another thread by a fellow watchman and brother, and in my response, I mistakenly said it was a dream. It wasn't a dream, but rather a 'conversation' between him and God. I have said in this thread and others, that we need to hold 'People and relationships tightly, and issues loosely. When we hold them tightly, we make a fist that becomes a weapon. It was never my intent to belittle anyone, nor to be combative. I've been mistaken on many issues, and as I pray for wisdom and learn from others - (you all) I've had to revise and even throw out views I had held. [Shout out to Yardstick on the temperament types, I'm predominately Otter/ Expressive. Motivated by Pleasure/ how much fun this will be. ;-) ]
I've said multiple times on different threads that we all only have parts of the puzzle and we need each other. That includes people who question and challenge our views and the holes. ;-)
I also believe that God still speaks to people today, and I shared a story how both my parents woke up at the same time in the night, and were strongly impressed (by what they thought was the Holy Spirit) to pray at that moment for my safety and our team in Russia. They didn't know why, but they prayed that instant, in the middle of the night, and I was at the sink brushing my teeth and for some reason, I went back into my room, and that moment, a high-pressurized hot water main pipe exploded directly over the sink, pouring out gallons of scalding hot water and flooding the apartment.
I agree with Yardstick that we need to have charity. As the EFCA puts it - Unity in the Essentials, and charity in the non-essentials.
I think most everyone would agree that end-times are non-essentials. ;-) I'm sorry, if I was combative, or gave the impression that I thought the other brother was in any way less spiritual. Maybe some of the moderators/others can give some answers to Cage regarding Christ's death as how it fits Daniel's prophecy. I'm sure that we can have another very interesting thread on how to discern God's voice. ;-) Thanks yardstick for providing the clarity and explanations.
Disciple4life.
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Post by sorrynotsorry on Oct 16, 2017 15:57:35 GMT -6
Funny. unsealed.boards.net/post/7246 is the post that cage has been talking about. I am just wondering how to compute the odds of twice having the timing confirmed to the second. But I don't want to bore everyone else. I just have been going over the relevant posts. I did a search on 86400. The 86400 comes from the number of seconds in a day. Its the probability that he looked up and saw 8:00:59pm switch to 8:01:00pm. So yes, if this occurred twice, you would square 86400. The story he related could be true. Or not. I note there is a math error in what he says. Jerusalem is 10 hours ahead of pacific time. That makes it 8 hours ahead of central time (wisconsin). If this is so, then 8:00pm in wisconsin is not 3pm in Jerusalem. However, the math error does not preclude the accuracy of the general message that he says he received. A second discrepancy, requiring corroboration, would be the crucifixion date, 33AD. Other than this being the 'traditional' year of the crucifixion of Christ, others have looked using stellarium, and based upon signs in the heavens, found the date to be 31AD. I lean towards the 31AD camp, because it is corroborated by the 2BC sign of the Son of Man as shown in stellarium combined with the tradition that Jesus was 33 when he died, had a three year ministry, and priests in the temple cannot serve as such before they are 30). Without 2-3 corroborating witnesses, his statements are speculation, imho. Thus, they should be debated and studied. what he said..about the 2-3 witnesses. I feel like Christianity would lose like 90% of its weirdness if people actually sought 2-4 witnesses before they professed “god told me....” I know I’m a cynic, but what is with every man and his brother having some personal revelation from God lately. And they all seem to involve numbers and clocks. Who knew God was such a horologist. |
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Post by disciple4life on Oct 16, 2017 16:12:07 GMT -6
I just have been going over the relevant posts. I did a search on 86400. The 86400 comes from the number of seconds in a day. Its the probability that he looked up and saw 8:00:59pm switch to 8:01:00pm. So yes, if this occurred twice, you would square 86400. The story he related could be true. Or not. I note there is a math error in what he says. Jerusalem is 10 hours ahead of pacific time. That makes it 8 hours ahead of central time (wisconsin). If this is so, then 8:00pm in wisconsin is not 3pm in Jerusalem. However, the math error does not preclude the accuracy of the general message that he says he received. A second discrepancy, requiring corroboration, would be the crucifixion date, 33AD. Other than this being the 'traditional' year of the crucifixion of Christ, others have looked using stellarium, and based upon signs in the heavens, found the date to be 31AD. I lean towards the 31AD camp, because it is corroborated by the 2BC sign of the Son of Man as shown in stellarium combined with the tradition that Jesus was 33 when he died, had a three year ministry, and priests in the temple cannot serve as such before they are 30). Without 2-3 corroborating witnesses, his statements are speculation, imho. Thus, they should be debated and studied. what he said..about the 2-3 witnesses. I feel like Christianity would lose like 90% of its weirdness if people actually sought 2-4 witnesses before they professed “god told me....” I know I’m a cynic, but what is with every man and his brother having some personal revelation from God lately. And they all seem to involve numbers and clocks. Who knew God was such a horologist. Good point, Sns. I think a huge thing that would take away a lot of the tension is when people have an impression, that instead of presenting it as "God said this" - that they present it as "I sense this - and it could be God, or I think it might be God, but it could be bad pizza." ***The thing about this, is when others question it, it doesn't put the person 'weighing' it as "Doubting or questioning God." ;-)
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Post by yardstick on Oct 16, 2017 16:14:57 GMT -6
I just have been going over the relevant posts. I did a search on 86400. The 86400 comes from the number of seconds in a day. Its the probability that he looked up and saw 8:00:59pm switch to 8:01:00pm. So yes, if this occurred twice, you would square 86400. The story he related could be true. Or not. I note there is a math error in what he says. Jerusalem is 10 hours ahead of pacific time. That makes it 8 hours ahead of central time (wisconsin). If this is so, then 8:00pm in wisconsin is not 3pm in Jerusalem. However, the math error does not preclude the accuracy of the general message that he says he received. A second discrepancy, requiring corroboration, would be the crucifixion date, 33AD. Other than this being the 'traditional' year of the crucifixion of Christ, others have looked using stellarium, and based upon signs in the heavens, found the date to be 31AD. I lean towards the 31AD camp, because it is corroborated by the 2BC sign of the Son of Man as shown in stellarium combined with the tradition that Jesus was 33 when he died, had a three year ministry, and priests in the temple cannot serve as such before they are 30). Without 2-3 corroborating witnesses, his statements are speculation, imho. Thus, they should be debated and studied. what he said..about the 2-3 witnesses. I feel like Christianity would lose like 90% of its weirdness if people actually sought 2-4 witnesses before they professed “god told me....” I know I’m a cynic, but what is with every man and his brother having some personal revelation from God lately. And they all seem to involve numbers and clocks. Who knew God was such a horologist. It is not cynicism to exercise prudence and/or to test everything against the scriptures. The Church has given itself more than one black eye by failing to follow some of even the most basic 'suggestions' by the Apostles, and Paul. We have the opportunity in this forum to work together towards answers to questions when we all spend a little time checking scripture from our different 'temperament' perspectives and comparing what we find to what other people find. Then reconciling it. Its kinda like having an 'open neighbor' exam. We can have several positive outcomes, not the least of which is: 1. faster resolution of the most probable explanation for some scriptural passage 2. steeper learning curve for 'younger' believers to 'ramp up' to speed, which would make them greater contributors Although they tend to be business oriented, I recommend several Simon Sinek videos on youtube for purposes of paradigm shift:
First Why, then Trust
Start with Why
Understanding the Game we are Playing - start at 19:30 to end, then after done, go back and watch from the beginning |
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Post by yardstick on Oct 16, 2017 16:23:39 GMT -6
I just have been going over the relevant posts. I did a search on 86400. The 86400 comes from the number of seconds in a day. Its the probability that he looked up and saw 8:00:59pm switch to 8:01:00pm. So yes, if this occurred twice, you would square 86400. The story he related could be true. Or not. I note there is a math error in what he says. Jerusalem is 10 hours ahead of pacific time. That makes it 8 hours ahead of central time (wisconsin). If this is so, then 8:00pm in wisconsin is not 3pm in Jerusalem. However, the math error does not preclude the accuracy of the general message that he says he received. A second discrepancy, requiring corroboration, would be the crucifixion date, 33AD. Other than this being the 'traditional' year of the crucifixion of Christ, others have looked using stellarium, and based upon signs in the heavens, found the date to be 31AD. I lean towards the 31AD camp, because it is corroborated by the 2BC sign of the Son of Man as shown in stellarium combined with the tradition that Jesus was 33 when he died, had a three year ministry, and priests in the temple cannot serve as such before they are 30). Without 2-3 corroborating witnesses, his statements are speculation, imho. Thus, they should be debated and studied. what he said..about the 2-3 witnesses. I feel like Christianity would lose like 90% of its weirdness if people actually sought 2-4 witnesses before they professed “god told me....” I know I’m a cynic, but what is with every man and his brother having some personal revelation from God lately. And they all seem to involve numbers and clocks. Who knew God was such a horologist. How about mathematician? Have you found the threads about clocks, math and hypercubes? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2017 18:55:14 GMT -6
Funny. unsealed.boards.net/post/7246 is the post that cage has been talking about. I am just wondering how to compute the odds of twice having the timing confirmed to the second. But I don't want to bore everyone else. I just have been going over the relevant posts. I did a search on 86400. The 86400 comes from the number of seconds in a day. Its the probability that he looked up and saw 8:00:59pm switch to 8:01:00pm. So yes, if this occurred twice, you would square 86400. The story he related could be true. Or not. I note there is a math error in what he says. Jerusalem is 10 hours ahead of pacific time. That makes it 8 hours ahead of central time (wisconsin). If this is so, then 8:00pm in wisconsin is not 3pm in Jerusalem. However, the math error does not preclude the accuracy of the general message that he says he received. A second discrepancy, requiring corroboration, would be the crucifixion date, 33AD. Other than this being the 'traditional' year of the crucifixion of Christ, others have looked using stellarium, and based upon signs in the heavens, found the date to be 31AD. I lean towards the 31AD camp, because it is corroborated by the 2BC sign of the Son of Man as shown in stellarium combined with the tradition that Jesus was 33 when he died, had a three year ministry, and priests in the temple cannot serve as such before they are 30). Without 2-3 corroborating witnesses, his statements are speculation, imho. Thus, they should be debated and studied. - i'm not sure how well you read the post - but there was a daylight savings time issue that accounts for the hour off. He talks about that. It was one of the ways that he was being guided to the solution. Perhaps you missed that when you were reading the post? I totally don't understand your second discrepancy - saying there is another opinion does not make the first one a discrepancy. It just means that one opinion is wrong. The signs in the heavens supposedly corroborating anything about 31 AD are just thoughts people have had. They are not proof of anything and certainly can't act as a valid witness. You make an assumption about the reason the 33 AD year was being looked at just like disciple4life does - who attached it to catholics. I'm sorry. I just can't follow this logic - doesn't his story contain two witnesses? It seems everyone is missing the obvious here - the time was confirmed by a process that ended up being the very time that was being confirmed! And then this happened again 4 years later! That can't be chance. This is impossible outside of God. But I'm not even trying to say it is true - I just don't understand why it was ignored and thrown out as if it was meaningless. So now you are saying it should be debated and studied, but needs to be confirmed by even more witnesses. But before you suggested it should be debated and studied it was being ridiculed by disciple4life and no one was saying anything to correct him. When someone discards it as bad pizza - we just accept that without any other witness. Sorry guys. I can't be part of this forum anymore. I have enjoyed a few of you - some very kind souls like homewardbound, tiffanybw, mike. yardstick, I think you had some great thoughts about personalities and you honestly tried to help me. But this lazy attitude toward apparent revelation is more than I can take. It's not just the lack of trust and it is not just my personality - it is the replacing of the faith with mental gymnastics that somehow carry more weight with you all then an amazing miracle that comes with it's own double witness. Several of you mocked jeremy smith and one of you mocked silentknight and yet you have the audacity to be critical of those that mocked you when you believed you knew truth in regard to the sign. Sure jeremy was wrong, but you still mocked and he could have been right - you all even admitted he might be right and so kept his thread alive - just in case. His confirmation never came - silentknights did come - twice and you all just ignore or mock. Shame on you all. If no one else has the guts to say it. I'll say it. I know homewardbound thinks I do not need to defend silentknight - I'm not. I'm defending God's word, which was revealed and confirmed with a double witness that would be impossible to create - unless you say that silentknight is a liar. I can't imagine the humility it took for silentknight to be silent about this. Well you guys can keep applying your formulas about how heavy the spice rack was and taking the writings in the talmud from 2000 years ago as fact, but ignoring revelation right before your eyes. I'm out of here...I'm gonna find some people who believe God speaks today! I can find dead faith anywhere, I don't need to experience it here. No need to reply. I won't be here to read it. I'm so heart broken over this. I thought I had found a home. If you all truly believe the things you were telling me about how we all sin, then you might want to take a serious look inside right about now - cause, yeah. |
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Post by mike on Oct 16, 2017 19:13:07 GMT -6
Sorry to hear this @cage. None of us get it right all the time, but we do sometimes.
Forgive all of us cuz we all belong in the category of falling short. I hope you continue to search God's word and seek Him wherever He may lead you.
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Post by whatif on Oct 16, 2017 19:18:39 GMT -6
It was never my intent to belittle anyone, nor to be combative. I've been mistaken on many issues, and as I pray for wisdom and learn from others - (you all) I've had to revise and even throw out views I had held. Thanks yardstick for providing the clarity and explanations.
disciple4life you have spoken graciously to everyone, and it is something I greatly appreciate about you! You've not been combative or belittling. Quite the contrary.
@cage our forum is a place for all of us to share our theories, our knowledge, our ideas. Through discussion--sometimes with many different views from our members--we sharpen one another in our understanding of God's Word. Gentle disagreements among our members don't mean that we don't trust one or the other, or that we don't love one or the other. I am sorry you've been distressed. We have a fellowship here that is very close-knit. We love one another very much in Jesus' name. I just want to reassure you that discussion and gentle debate are not the same thing as disrespect, arrogance, mistrust. Discussion and gentle debate are the way we learn together.
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Post by homewardbound on Oct 16, 2017 19:20:49 GMT -6
as per cage - will we repent? Or will we insist on our superior knowledge? Will we just come back with an explanation of how we were right? Or will we actually humble ourselves and cry out to God?
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Post by cwood85 on Oct 16, 2017 19:22:59 GMT -6
@cage Well I had a really awesome reply about 3/4 of the way finished to this thread... and it disappeared 🙃 So hopefully I can remember what I had for the most part. I do not remember who in the thread, but someone said that Silent knight searched for Gods heart, not his mind. You hit the nail on the head! I went back through and read through the referenced thread again and the responses, slowly, so I could really try and understand.
Thank you yardstick for the informative post on personality types. That is very eye opening and helpful for everyone. I really encourage you to take the test if you have not. You seem to have some specialty in this area of study?
I took the test and posted the results as yardstick did as well. I wasn't surprised by the results because I am very intimate with my personality type. I will explain more below and how it relates to this post and the outcome of some of the responses. But I would like to clear up one thing first.
My Jesus is their Jesus. We are all after the same one, just different parts of him sometimes, which neither makes it wrong or a bad thing. We have what we call the BRAINS in the group. They like facts, numbers, codes, and math. They love finding it in the Bible and figuring it out. Chuck Missler imho is probably king of this field of Bible study. Then there are the HEARTS of the group. We see the emotion in scripture, get emotional with certain scriptures (I certainly do, especially parts of the gospel and crucified descriptions), relate to the characters from one degree or another and what they were going though.
I am after the Lords heart. I daydream about the rapture and after falling on my face and worshipping and thanking Him, there is seriously nothing more I want to do in the whole world than to run straight to Him and give Him a hug 💕 I am so envious when I read parts of the Bible and he walked and talked among us. To be right there, right with Him, talking and seeing Him, that is where my heart is. Reading about Moses and God being tabernacled right beside them, just pure envy and wanting. How lucky they where to be within His presence and they didn't even realize it.
For clarification, I am not saying anyone here does not want that, but those of us that run more on our emotions instead of logic, we understand it better. Which is why you relate more to certain ones of us here better than others. It's the same as me looking at a calculus equation, which is honestly just a bunch of Mumbo jumbo to me because I do not understand it, my brain does not compute or work that way. I barely skidded my way through trigonometry which ended math for me in high school lol. Don't remember a bit of it either 😜
My husband is a BRAIN. There have been many disagreements on how he can at times lack empathy and emotions. To me it hurts, and he seems cold. But once we have a sit down and rationally talk, he really isn't, nor is not trying to be. He is actually very sensitive, but is very good at calculating his emotions and responses to them. It took me years to learn this. It also took him years to learn that I am the complete opposite and will never think like he does. I am actually very ADHD and run at 1000 miles per hour almost entirely on emotion. Through therapy and learning how to recognize when My emotions are getting the better of me, the number thing I can do is slow down and pause. Pausing has helped me so much. Especially reading and remembering there isn't tone in written responses.
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Post by mike on Oct 16, 2017 19:29:00 GMT -6
Awesome experience you have there cwood85. As I read your post and you said wanted to hold/hug Jesus (paraphrasing) I thought "yeah I'll do that too, but I want to sit as His feet". |
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Post by cwood85 on Oct 16, 2017 19:30:38 GMT -6
Well dang it all that typing and he is gone... ugh!!!!!
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Post by whatif on Oct 16, 2017 19:34:30 GMT -6
I just have been going over the relevant posts. I did a search on 86400. I'm out of here...I'm gonna find some people who believe God speaks today! I can find dead faith anywhere, I don't need to experience it here. No need to reply. I won't be here to read it. I'm so heart broken over this. I thought I had found a home. If you all truly believe the things you were telling me about how we all sin, then you might want to take a serious look inside right about now - cause, yeah. May the Lord bless and protect you, cage. |
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