The Death of Christ and How it Relates to Eschatology.

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The Death of Christ and How it Relates to Eschatology. Oct 15, 2017 15:39:31 GMT -6 whatif, cwood85, and 2 more like this

Post by kjs on Oct 15, 2017 15:39:31 GMT -6

Cage:

just for the record and to make sure no rumors are started....

SilentKnight deleted his account with no explanation, he was NOT kicked off or removed by anyone but himself.

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Oct 15, 2017 15:39:31 GMT -6 kjs said:

Cage:

just for the record and to make sure no rumors are started....

SilverKnight deleted his account with no explanation, he was NOT kicked off or removed by anyone but himself.

Cool kjs - I assume you are talking about silentknight. I certainly didn't mean to imply he was kicked out. Anyway, that was like the least important part of my post. But thanks for clarifying.

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The Death of Christ and How it Relates to Eschatology. Oct 15, 2017 17:19:52 GMT -6 cwood85, disciple4life, and 2 more like this

Post by homewardbound on Oct 15, 2017 17:19:52 GMT -6

Oct 15, 2017 13:06:57 GMT -6 disciple4life said:

Oct 15, 2017 12:43:59 GMT -6 homewardbound said:

Thank-you for the suggestion disciple4life and whatif.

I believe I made the initial point I was trying to. The followup topics were a response to comments left within this thread. I do not have enough to say about the other topics for me to create a new thread.

Hello Homewardbound,

Just a note to encourage you - as a missionary, I have great interest in what you wrote. ;-) I know kjs , Rick , sorrynotsorry , and whatif have expressed interest, or appreciation for your writing and powerful story.

I think you would be surprised how many people find your story inspiring - the whole topic of Balance is well-worth a topic all its own. ***Nudge, nudge, hint. ;-)

You could copy and paste your comment into a new thread, or even two new ones - leaving your original post here also. ;-)

I'll even give you first dibs on the Balance topic, for 30 days. Heheh.

If you want any help or encouragement, - there's plenty of people who can help you post. In the meantime, we're happy to have you my brother. ;-)

Disciple4life, missionary, father, husband, woodworker, guitar player, follower of Christ and lover of coffee, squash the game and end times. ;-)

disciple4life, I appreciate your comments. I'll try to be short so as not to interfere with your thread, but I also did not want to ignore your encouraging comment.

I hate to say it, but I'm pretty sure, based on your comments about balance in your previous post, that we see balance in an entirely different way. The last thing I ever want in my life when it comes to my walk in faith, is balance. I will either be hot or cold. Give every mite. All my heart, soul, mind, and strength. Lose my life for his sake. Be a living sacrifice. Love my enemies. I have lost - and gained - too much to be balanced now. I have found that to walk by faith requires a willingness to be extreme and it has proven impossible - in my life - to maintain balance while walking by faith.

I understand the value of what you are saying, and I appreciate the heart from which you say it, but I do not believe the message is a correct synopsis of what I had first written, nor do I feel it is an appropriate way to live our lives for the Lord. For these reasons, I think it would be best that I not start a new thread on that topic. Seems it would just stir up conflict.

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The Death of Christ and How it Relates to Eschatology. Oct 15, 2017 17:41:24 GMT -6 Rick and linda like this

Post by disciple4life on Oct 15, 2017 17:41:24 GMT -6

Oct 15, 2017 12:35:12 GMT -6 @cage said:

Ok. I have a question. I'm a new believer (January 14, 2017 Baby!) and I'm also new to this site so I may not know the correct way to do this. Please forgive me in advance if I do it wrong

Part of the reason I found Jesus was because of fulfilled prophecy. So I was happy disciple4life started this thread. Cause, from what I've learned about the Daniel 9 prophecy there are many different interpretations. I've seen some people say it was fully fulfilled during the time of Christ and perhaps 3.5 years after his death was the end of the 70th week. Then others say the whole week is set to come and there was a gap. Then others say that half of the 70th week is left and it was also separated by a gap from the first part. There are also at least 4 different dates that can be used to start the 70 weeks altogether. Then there is the issue of whether to use 360 day years or 365.25 day years.

So now I am babbling on and on. I think my point is that I do think understanding this passage is important but I also think it is really hard to have proof one way or the other. If the timing is related to Jesus' crucifixion and also used as many to relate to the tribulation as Daniels 70th week it seems really important to figure this stuff out. But after centuries of nobody coming up with a provable case don't we have to wait for revelation like homewardbound said? I mean, why are people so adamant that they know these things based on what they have figured out. Even the "proofs" that Jesus didn't die on a Friday can be seen in different ways than people insist they must be seen.

It seems that homewardbound brought up some really good points that this thread might be ignoring. So because of how important this passage is, I also found a different thread with interesting thoughts: unsealed.boards.net/post/7246/thread. Here is someone (silentknight) who talks about revelation from God about the exact time of Jesus' death. In that thread, this thread, and other threads, various people reject what silentknight wrote based on what those other people think are contradictions or bad motives or something, but the reasons they give to reject what silentknight wrote is their own "understanding" of how it contradicts scripture and in some cases they seem kinda of rude about it.

So here I finally get to my really long winded question: I am not attacking anyone in asking, just trying to genuinely understand. Why do we put more stock in:

our own understanding of some passages of scripture - often explained to us from other sources
our own understanding of history, totally provided by other people
some odd belief in what is written in the Talmud by unbelievers

than we put in a believer telling us an incredible story of how God revealed the exact time of of Jesus' death. I mean, did any of you actually read and understand how amazing the silentknight's story was? Do you all know something about him that I don't know on why he can't be trusted? The circumstance of the story seemed to come with their own proof! The odds of what he says happened are just amazing! So maybe you guys know that he can't be trusted or something. But to trust the writings of the Talmud or your personal interpretation of scripture and just dismiss what silentknight says he heard from God is very confusing to me. And that brings us back to what homewardbound said - even if someone heard from God when Jesus died, we would not believe it because we simply know better. It's like his words are being proven true already.

Being a new believer - i don't know what to believe and so I need help sorting all this out. Maybe silentknight was kicked off the site and that is why he his gone and being ignored by others. No evidence I have seen presented against what he heard can be considered indisputable. But we area saying what he heard was not true? How do we know? How are we able to discern what is from God and what is not?

Now, I can assume someone might answer this with their proof that their interpretation is correct - but that would just be arrogant based on the fact that they can't know - they can only speculate. I mean, wouldn't they be saying, "My understanding is better than God's and better than silentknights ability to hear God?" If the timing of Jesus' death was obvious we wouldn't need a thread to discuss it - so it clearly is not obvious enough to override the word of God in a brother's life, is it?

Please help me understand

Hello Cage, So glad to meet you, my brother, and so happy that you joined the forum, and man - I love your honesty. I can't speak for others but these kinds of straight, sincere, honest questions are fantastic, and I'm happy to have them on any/all the threads I start. From my conversations, I think others agree as well. ;-)

For anyone who has read more than 3 of my posts on any thread, I've said that we all are watchmen and women, sharing what we have learned, and all of us only have parts of the puzzle. No one has the monopoly on End times wisdom or knows all the answers.

So for starters - some of your questions, bro - I just don't know. The Daniel stuff- I'm studying- I'm learning, I'm reading and as I learn more, it means I have to change my views when I see the holes and flaws.

*** Now some really important points that are important to address - clarify. I know Silentknight, I love and respect him, and we hold many common views and we've talked back and forth on private messages as well. I don't know why he's not here.

- I don't think a single person on this forum, or any thread that thinks he had bad motives, or is a false prophet or couldn't be trusted.

- I don't know anyone is ignoring him - if he is no longer a member, he can't respond or even reply to questions or message, as I understand.

- I have also shared the words of end-times pastor Steve Ciocciolanti, that his former pastor didn't get everything right on end times, but that doesn't make him a false teacher, and we need to have the same kind of love and grace. ;-) We can share why we believe a viewpoint, or why we think a person is mistaken, but we're not unChristianizing anyone, or saying they're a false prophet.

Cage' post here- 'So here I finally get to my really long winded question: I am not attacking anyone in asking, just trying to genuinely understand.

         Why do we put more stock in:

        •our own understanding of some passages of scripture - often explained to us from other sources
        •our own understanding of history, totally provided by other people
        •some odd belief in what is written in the Talmud by unbelievers
        than we put in a believer telling us an incredible story of how God revealed the exact time of of Jesus' death. I mean, did any of you actually read and understand how amazing         the silentknight's story was?

Before I address this great question - I would like to first use two examples, that I think will make sense. ;-)

1. Tens of thousands of Christians have been led to believe that there is no rapture. Period. Not Before the Tribulation, not Mid-Tribulation, and not Post. One reason is that people are amillennialists - they believe all the passages in 16 books of the Bible that we use from Daniel, the Gospels and I and II Thessalonians, and Revelations, etc, are all symbolic. Are these people my brothers in Christ? YES!! Most are evangelicals who affirm the Apostles Creed, and all the major 'core doctrines' of scripture.

Countless others believe in the millennium, but that the concept of rapture is not Biblical - Their argument is that the word Rapture is not in the Bible. ** Neither is Bible, or Trinity. A brand new believer can use an interlinear Greek/English Bible that shows the exact lines of Greek text over the English lines, and a Strong's concordance that shows the definition of the Greek word "Harpazo - to snatch, or catch up quickly by force.

- It's not my own understanding of some passages of scripture that confirms the rapture.

- It's not my own understanding of history, or my own understanding of Greek,

- It's not my personal belief in the Talmud, written by unbelievers. It's the combination of harmonizing scripture about the resurrection, it's using common study tools widely available for free, and it's countless commentaries, and church fathers and historians, that cause many to see that the doctrine of a physical rapture is explicitly clear in scripture.

2. Let's use the example that some people on this forum, believe that the key to End Times, - rapture, second coming, tribulation events, - lies in the Egyptian pyramids.

-Are these people false prophets, NO. Do they have bad motives ?? NO. Are they brothers in Christ looking for the same rapture by Christ? YES !!! Can I learn something from them. YES??? Could they be misguided on some points? YES.

-We know from the Old Testament that idolatry was clearly condemned and punishable by stoning.

- We also know from the Old Testament, that sorcery/ occult practice was condemned and punishable by stoning.

- We also know that Astrology is a perversion of astronomy that God created, and that God is the creator of the Sun, moon, and stars for signs and seasons.

- We also know from multiple historians and multiple Christian commentaries that the plagues in Egypt were direct parallels to the things that the Egyptians literally worshiped.

- We also know from scripture that Paul said that the Feasts are a shadow of (point to) things to come.

- We also know from scripture that Paul said in Romans the Gospel was revealed to the Gentiles to provoke the Jews to jealousy.

- Paul also condemned the Christians for their pagan practices in Corinth - a Godless city of sexual immorality with temples and idols.

- We know from secular historians that Egyptians practiced human sacrifices of babies and offered them to the crocodiles in the Nile.

So would God use something that He condemned, and explicitly commanded that those who practiced would be stoned - as the keys to the End Times. We can say categorically no. *******************************************

OK, so now to SilentKnight. I'm not guessing or suggesting or implying that he has bad motives. ;-) I love and respect him as a brother and we agree on most things.

Like another poster/ fellow watchman said, I am not doubting he had a very meaningful and real dream.

I'm not suggesting or implying that that dream was from Satan.

When ever anyone has a dream - We need to always keep in mind some very important things.

1. God does speak to people in dreams and visions, but the primary way is still through his word-- Scripture.

2. God will never tell anyone something that goes against scripture.

3. Many times a dream is just a dream, - it's your mind playing, nothing more, -- no meaning, no warning, nothing prophetic, just pink ducks, or talking marshmallows.

4. We need to test everything - through the filter of God's word - We don't interpret scripture through our experiences or dreams, but we interpret our dreams through the lens of scripture.

5. We never build doctrine or theology on the Talmud or any other writings, or archaeology, but if you read the first opening thread about hostile witnesses, secular archaeologists and secular historians have confirmed or corroborated what is in scripture. Even atheist anti-god scientists have given testimony that supports Biblical creation and in the case of the Talmud, the Jews are indeed hostile to the Gospel / To Christians but their hostile witness, confirms a historical event, and it in no way benefits Judaism - in fact, their testimony underscores their own blindness-- how the Temple veil was torn, and the sacrifices were altered or affected, for 40 years up until the Temple was destroyed in 70 AD.

I hope this helps clarify a bit, @cage - but I really appreciate your honesty, and your candor. I don't have all the answers, - I'm trying my best to be a Berean and rightly divide the word of truth the best I can, and be faithful to what He has called me to do. ;-)

Here's a really great resource, Cage - www.gotquestions.org/Christian-dream-interpretation.html

Keep studying, and praying, Cage, and asking good questions, Cage, and weigh it through scripture, and the counsel, insight of others.

"Always be ready to give an answer for the hope that you have within you."

Maranatha, my brothers and sisters, Come quickly, Lord Jesus.

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The Death of Christ and How it Relates to Eschatology. Oct 15, 2017 18:19:14 GMT -6 cwood85 and disciple4life like this

Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2017 18:19:14 GMT -6

disciple4life,

Thanks for the quick response - maybe I'm reading a different story from silentknight than you are talking about - according to the thread I posted, he did not have a dream. He was doing a study and God showed him something and that thing was confirmed in a very precisely timed event that took place during the conversation between him and God. So anything you are saying about dreams does not seem to apply to this.

Also, you are saying 40 day thing happening in the temple is "proof" of something, but the bible doesn't say that. So, and this gets back to the root of my question, how is it that you assume your 40 day speculation (which may be correct) overrides what God told silentknight and verified with a minor miracle? First of all, you don't know if the 40 day thing was true or not. You just know that someone you don't know wrote it down. You are trusting that person or group of people. But you don't trust silentknight, whom you claim to love as a brother.

Once again, I'm not saying you are wrong, but (I hope you still like my honesty

), I just find it super funny, and a little bit sad, that homewardbound said that "even if someone had a word from God, people wouldn't believe because of their better understanding." This seems to be playing out before my eyes. It doesn't seem like homewardbound knew about silentknight's post.

So, back to the question - nothing you have mentioned provides any evidence that what silentknight heard could not be true - just speculation or preconceived ideas - so why do we dismiss what he said? Also, and now this is a second question - why didn't silentknight jump up and down and insist on what he heard? He seemed to be fine with everyone's disbelief?

I'm swear I'm not trying to cause trouble, and maybe it is best to just let it go, but I really want to understand how you know you can reject what silentknight says God showed him. Cause, it seems that if what he said isn't true, how can I, as a growing believer, know who to believe about anything?

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The Death of Christ and How it Relates to Eschatology. Oct 15, 2017 21:04:34 GMT -6

Post by jacque on Oct 15, 2017 21:04:34 GMT -6

For the young dove.

14 O my dove, that art in the clefts of the rock, In the secret places of the stairs, Let me see thy countenance, Let me hear thy voice; For sweet is thy voice, And thy countenance is comely. - Song of Solomon 2:14-17

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The Death of Christ and How it Relates to Eschatology. Oct 15, 2017 22:35:53 GMT -6 cwood85, linda, and 1 more like this

Post by whatif on Oct 15, 2017 22:35:53 GMT -6

Oct 15, 2017 15:39:31 GMT -6 kjs said:

Cage:

just for the record and to make sure no rumors are started....

SilentKnight deleted his account with no explanation, he was NOT kicked off or removed by anyone but himself.

Yes, cage, kjs is correct, and I can add that silentknight was a beloved member of our forum and someone we greatly respect here! We are hoping he will return to the forum when he is able.

And by the way, welcome to you, cage! A new member and a new Christian... We are so glad you've joined us!

My eyes stay open through the watches of the night, that I may meditate on your promises. (Psalm 119:148)

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The Death of Christ and How it Relates to Eschatology. Oct 15, 2017 23:00:59 GMT -6 cwood85 and disciple4life like this

Post by linda on Oct 15, 2017 23:00:59 GMT -6

disciple4life,

Great answer! I'll let you answer Cage's latest question. But just wanted to ask what you meant by "the sacrifices were altered or affected, for 40 years up until the Temple was destroyed in 70 AD." I'm not sure I've heard about this.

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The Death of Christ and How it Relates to Eschatology. Oct 16, 2017 7:48:53 GMT -6

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Oct 15, 2017 21:04:34 GMT -6 jacque said:

Is this for me? Can you help me understand?

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The Death of Christ and How it Relates to Eschatology. Oct 16, 2017 8:23:34 GMT -6 disciple4life likes this

Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2017 8:23:34 GMT -6

Man I'm getting more and more confused by this hearing from God thing. So another poster jeremy smith posted and said he heard from God and that he knew the exact timing of the tribulation. He said it would be proven as a word from God at 11:11 pacific time today. We immediately determined that it was not a word from God - but if the earthquake happened at 11:11 then we would believe it was a word from God. We cut off this guys thread - until he is proven correct.

I assume disciple4life will say this needs to be another thread - but my main interest in two parts: 1. When did Jesus die (in relation to the Daniel 9) - which is part of this thread. 2. How do we judge if someone is hearing from God?

My interpretation of what I wrote above is : we don't believe it is from God unless it is accompanied with a miracle or correct prediction.

So now, if we differentiate the point of this thread - the date of the death of Christ and then bring in silent knight's revelation - his word was accompanied by a minor miracle, but we are still saying it was not from God, right? So that tells me we don't trust silent knights judgement and we don't trust the miracle - or we don't believe silent knight was telling the truth about the miracle.

Even though we have no conclusive evidence to claim he was wrong - we just dismiss it. Is that something that I will understand once I have been in the Lord longer? Cause I'm not sure I ever want to "mature" to the point that dismisses a brother and a miraculous word from God just cause I think I know more about the bible and history.

Please help me understand.

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The Death of Christ and How it Relates to Eschatology. Oct 16, 2017 8:53:01 GMT -6

Post by disciple4life on Oct 16, 2017 8:53:01 GMT -6

Oct 15, 2017 18:19:14 GMT -6 @cage said:

disciple4life ,

Thanks for the quick response - maybe I'm reading a different story from silentknight than you are talking about - according to the thread I posted, he did not have a dream. He was doing a study and God showed him something and that thing was confirmed in a very precisely timed event that took place during the conversation between him and God. So anything you are saying about dreams does not seem to apply to this.

Also, you are saying 40 day thing happening in the temple is "proof" of something, but the bible doesn't say that. So, and this gets back to the root of my question, how is it that you assume your 40 day speculation (which may be correct) overrides what God told silentknight and verified with a minor miracle? First of all, you don't know if the 40 day thing was true or not. You just know that someone you don't know wrote it down. You are trusting that person or group of people. But you don't trust silentknight, whom you claim to love as a brother.

Once again, I'm not saying you are wrong, but (I hope you still like my honesty

Hello my brother.

Yeah, man, I still love your honesty, bro. I never thought for a moment that you are trying to cause trouble. You raise very valid questions, and I don't want to gloss over them.

I'll do my best, but I don't claim to have all the answers, and it's OK if you come to a different conclusion.

Let's take these one at a time, OK? Cage - Blue

Also, you are saying 40 day thing happening in the temple is "proof" of something, but the bible doesn't say that. So, and this gets back to the root of my question, how is it that you assume your 40 day speculation (which may be correct) overrides what God told silentknight and verified with a minor miracle? First of all, you don't know if the 40 day thing was true or not. You just know that someone you don't know wrote it down. You are trusting that person or group of people. But you don't trust silentknight, whom you claim to love as a brother. OK, so again, You saying I don't trust Silentknight is not at all what i or anyone said, or implied.

We're not using the Talmud as a basis to form our doctrine, or theology - nor are we using Archaeology. We're harmonizing what scripture says, and then we use solid principles of Biblical hermeneutics and sound reasoning and extra Biblical "Hostile witnesses" corroborate this.

There were multiple miracles - not minor, some which occurred every single day for 40 years, others occurred every year on Day of Atonement for 40 years.

So now, let's take the points from the original post. These are the reasons that he misunderstood - thought he heard from God.

1. Biblical Hermeneutics - 3 days and 3 nights. If the text seems to make literal sense, seek no other sense, or it will be nonsense. Both Jonah and the Gospels says that Jonah was in the whale/great fish 3 days and 3 nights, and that Christ would be in the grave, 3 days and 3 nights. To read something into the text that is not there is Eisegesis.

2. Trip to Bethany. John 12:1-2. 'Six days before the Passover, Jesus therefore came to Bethany, where Lazarus was, whom Jesus had raised from the dead. 2 So they gave a dinner for him there. (D)Martha served, and Lazarus was one of those reclining with him at table."

This is a very huge problem, because if you count back from Friday, six days - This puts us on the weekly Sabbath. Bethany was too far to go on a Sabbath day's journey.

3. Two Sabbaths, Catholics didn't understand the difference between High Sabbath of Passover and Weekly Sabbath.

4. Those 100 lbs of spices. They bought spices before after the Sabbath and before the Sabbath. You can't buy and transport and mix 100 cake mixes after the Weekly Sabbath. No Target, and No Betty Crocker Burial Mix. This cannot be reconciled with a Friday crucifixion and Saturday Sabbath. They bought spices before the High Sabbath, and then rested on the High Sabbath of Passover, then bought spices on Friday, after the High Sabbath.

5. Stellarium confirms that Nisan 14, Passover was on Wednesday, on AD 31. - The other traditional option, of AD 33 would make Jesus about 35-36.

6. Hostile witness of Talmud.

People every day, say that God told them something. Yes, he still speaks, but the primary way he still speaks is through his word.

All kinds of things from what we eat, to stress, to lack of sleep, and emotions shape our dreams, Cage. You have to ask yourself, why would God give "private relevation" to one person?

Once again, I'm not saying you are wrong, but (I hope you still like my honesty ), I just find it super funny, and a little bit sad, that homewardbound said that "even if someone had a word from God, people wouldn't believe because of their better understanding." This seems to be playing out before my eyes. It doesn't seem like homewardbound knew about silentknight's post.

So, back to the question - nothing you have mentioned provides any evidence that what silentknight heard could not be true - just speculation or preconceived ideas - so why do we dismiss what he said? Also, and now this is a second question - why didn't silentknight jump up and down and insist on what he heard? He seemed to be fine with everyone's disbelief?

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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2017 9:29:40 GMT -6

ya know....

I'm getting the sense this is going nowhere. I can't believe what I am hearing. This hurts my spirit so much. disciple4life asks "You have to ask yourself, why would God give "private relevation" to one person? "

I guess that says it all - you do not believe in private revelation that edifies the body. And apparently, all of you liking his posts and chiming in with "atta boys" don't either. Being a new christian and someone who came to Jesus because of prophecy and revelation - I'm stunned! I don't even know what to say.

homewardbound was so right - even if a word came from the Lord we would still trust our own understanding better. Isn't that pride? Arrogance? Aren't we supposed to not be that way?

It would be one thing if there was solid biblical evidence rejecting what silent night said - but there is none! Every "proof" offered is an opinion. I can counter claim each of those arguments. But it doesn't matter - now I understand what is going on.

the bottomline is this - people think they understand the bible, history, the talmud, the weight of spices and when they are available, how to use modern day star software.

They are stuck in a mental religion. I think @silentnight, homewardbound , tiffanybw , cwood85 and a few others I've seen here know a different Jesus. I want to be part of that group. But it seems maybe the other group is driving them away.

I'm truly burdened by all this and can't tell if it is my lack of understanding or if it is just the opposite - that I might be understanding something that some of you need to learn. But then that seems arrogant on my part.

Bye for now - i need to pray.

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The Death of Christ and How it Relates to Eschatology. Oct 16, 2017 10:05:52 GMT -6

Post by disciple4life on Oct 16, 2017 10:05:52 GMT -6

Hello Cage,
Hope that helped clarify a little. It seems that you saw this thread, but I wanted to post the link anyway.

Here is a challenge for you, my friend. ;-) ** You can 'phone a friend' for help, but it would be great if you do the best you can first, on your own. You're growing, buddy, and this is stretching you as you grow in discernment. ;-) Give your best reason, and then "tag" whoever you wish with at least 4 stars or a moderator - to help you.
We know 100% right off the bat, without question, and without his alleged 'proof' that this guy "Jeremy" did not hear from God. Why,or How??

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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2017 10:33:01 GMT -6

I'll take your quiz.

1. Based on your understanding of God and revelation - we know he did not hear from God because nobody hears a private revelation from God.

But I do not adhere to that understanding so that reason is out in my answer.

2. The timeframes do not line up with the correct number of days - but that is assuming our understanding of the tribulation time period - which we may not - so I can't dismiss him just on this reason.
3. Who he claims he heard from seems odd, both the Father and the Son - but that alone would not cause me to ignore.
4. I don't know the full part about the 1rst seal, but I don't recall there mentioning an earthquake in it. But that does not mean an earthquake cannot happen.

But i don't see what any of this has to do with what silentknight experienced. So what if this guy heard from God. You can't use that to dismiss what someone else heard.

See, what you might recognize is that you are hearing from God every time you read the bible and decide what it means. Otherwise they are just words on a page. So you are taking what you hear as you read and more important than what someone else hears. But not just more important. You believe what you are hearing and deducing is Godly and what silentknight hears is not.

Thanks for helping me learn. What did I miss in your quiz?

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EnochWalked: www.yourtango.com/sekf/berkeley-professor-says-even-outstanding-students-arent-getting-jobs "Berkeley Professor Says Even His ‘Outstanding’ Students With 4.0 GPAs Aren’t Getting Any Job Offers — ‘I Suspect This Trend Is Irreversible’" Nov 19, 2024 7:38:23 GMT -6

EnochWalked: "He concluded that this was happening because of an irreversible trend that is also part of a broader issue that's impacting almost every job seeker in every area." "postings for software development jobs have been down more than 30% since February 2020" Nov 19, 2024 7:39:55 GMT -6

EnochWalked: The article doesn't seem to offer a suggestion for what has suddenly caused this problem. Maybe it's inflation, which might not be as much of an issue next year, but we have to consider that the cause is automation / AI. That will only get more powerful. Nov 19, 2024 7:43:33 GMT -6

EnochWalked: www.reuters.com/technology/artificial-intelligence/us-government-commission-pushes-manhattan-project-style-ai-initiative-2024-11-19/ "China is racing towards AGI ... It's critical that we take them extremely seriously,". The new arms race. Nov 19, 2024 19:05:52 GMT -6

EnochWalked: For reference, the Manhattan Project was active for 4 years, with the atomic bombs dropped in the 3rd year. If the Manhattan Project for AI starts some time next year, then that would suggest AGI by 2028. The paper by Aschenbrenner suggested AGI by 2027. Nov 19, 2024 19:11:25 GMT -6

EnochWalked: www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-829906 "Drowning in drones, Israel turns to Ukraine for expertise. Israeli companies seek Ukraine’s expertise to counter Iranian kamikaze drones." An interesting choice of words. "Drown" is suggestive of "Flood". Nov 20, 2024 5:34:04 GMT -6

EnochWalked: www.technologyreview.com/2024/11/20/1107002/clear-airport-identity-management-biometrics-facial-recognition/ "The company that has helped millions of people cut security lines wants to give you a frictionless future — in exchange for your face." Nov 20, 2024 8:58:07 GMT -6

EnochWalked: "Now you can also use its identity verification platform to rent tools at Home Depot, put your profile in front of recruiters on LinkedIn, and, as of this month, verify your identity as a rider on Uber." All without any chip being injected. This is it. Nov 20, 2024 8:58:55 GMT -6

EnochWalked: www.dw.com/en/switzerlands-ai-jesus-answers-questions-of-faith/video-70737962 "Artificial intelligence is revolutionizing religious life at a small church in Lucerne, Switzerland, where a virtual Jesus is caring for the concerns... of the faithful" Nov 20, 2024 10:48:17 GMT -6

EnochWalked: scitechdaily.com/new-ai-tool-tracks-your-steps-by-reading-the-bacteria-you-carry/ "University’s mGPS AI tool traces recent locations based on microbial signatures, aiding forensics and epidemiology by linking bacteria to specific geographic origins" Nov 20, 2024 10:51:56 GMT -6

EnochWalked: drivesncontrols.com/schaeffler-plans-to-deploy-humanoid-robots-in-plants-around-the-world/ "We are excited to welcome Schaeffler as a customer and investor" "scaling the use of humanoid robots will require them to work cooperatively with humans" Nov 20, 2024 11:01:27 GMT -6

EnochWalked: Also Schaeffler: www.just-auto.com/news/schaeffler-layoff-employees-in-europe/ "the job cuts will result in a gross reduction of about 4,700 positions" "The majority of these measures are scheduled to be implemented between 2025 and 2027." Nov 20, 2024 11:02:33 GMT -6

EnochWalked: www.nj.com/politics/2024/11/is-trump-trying-to-kill-us-authoritarian-expert-says-yes.html "There are 5 key areas that authoritarians want to control when they attempt to decapitate a democratic state" "the goal is to... create chaos— and yes, death" Nov 20, 2024 14:20:51 GMT -6

EnochWalked: kyivindependent.com/secret-russian-plan-sees-ukraine-cut-into-3-parts-intelligence-source-confirms/ "Russia may try to convey to U.S. leadership its plan for a new world order up to the year 2045". "undermine U.S. power over global transactions" Nov 21, 2024 5:46:07 GMT -6

EnochWalked: www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/11/21/australia-proposes-32m-fine-for-social-media-firms-flouting-under-16s-ban "The country plans to trial an age-verification system that may include biometrics or government identification". Which applies to everyone. Nov 21, 2024 5:55:20 GMT -6

EnochWalked: "And in Florida, in the United States, children under 14 will be banned from opening social media accounts under a new law due to come into force in January." Only banned from registering? So a child just has to use a VPN once, at registration time? Nov 21, 2024 5:59:47 GMT -6

EnochWalked: www.ynetnews.com/article/sym6v45gjg "'Water is more precious than gold here': Turkey's strikes on Syria's Kurds cut water supply to 1 million" "leaders accuse Turkey of attempted 'genocide' while legal experts suggest strikes may constitute crime" Nov 21, 2024 6:35:35 GMT -6

EnochWalked: x.com/uapjames/status/1859390108627238950 'Rep. Nancy Mace has discussed UFO Disclosure with incoming Trump Administration officials. "Some kind of controlled disclosure, you don’t have to say everything, but the American people... deserve answers"' Nov 21, 2024 6:43:00 GMT -6

EnochWalked: data.bls.gov/timeseries/JTS000000000000000LDR Since the start of 2021, the "Layoffs and discharges" rate has hit 1.2 on only 3 occasions: Jan-2023, Mar-2023, and Sep-2024 (which is the most recent month for which there are data). 3/45 months. Nov 21, 2024 7:37:27 GMT -6

EnochWalked: So next month we may see if 1.2 is the "new normal" (actually a reversion to the levels seen before the pandemic), or if the numbers are starting to creep up. Ignoring 2020, the level only reached 1.4 twice in the past 10 years (both in 2015). Nov 21, 2024 7:42:04 GMT -6