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Post by kjs on Oct 10, 2017 8:38:17 GMT -6
I have been mulling over this for over a month now and trying to process it. No idea what it meant at first. I am getting some pretty good ideas though. I had it at the beginning of September. Just as intense as my first dream (It is in another thread, I will try to find it and link it) I never claim these are prophetic nor am I receiving anything divine because I honestly do not know. This and my first dream however have been the most intense dreams I have ever had in my life. If they are divine or something from our Lord, than thank you Jesus for allowing me to possibly see or feel something, even if I do not understand it. Hello cwood85,
**Disclaimer before we talk about dreams and visions. At first, - just when I saw the thread, I thought - "Oh Brother, another person, saying God told them something in a dream." This was NOT that at all, and very refreshing. :-) Continue to test it and weigh it through scripture and others, and asking for wisdom. James chapter 1. I really hope you are encouraged - I love the humility and the aspect of "weighing". [This might be the Holy Spirit revealing something, but it could be bad pizza.] The humility and caution that you show, is what's missing in the vast majority of 'I had a dream' blogs, and threads. Tremendous damage has been done to the church as a result of people who actually had a dream or vision and - It was really Not from God at all- not necessarily saying it was evil, but it was just bad pizza. Something they ate, or some other influence.
- It was a real dream that could have some importance, and maybe even a warning, or something by the Holy Spirit, but they mis-understood it, misinterpreted it. They extrapolated some meaning that was incorrect. **Sometimes, they even attach a wrong fact or wrong understanding of scripture to their dream, to make a point.
- It was a thought, that was actually planted by the enemy, (confusion, accusations and lies about us, or about God's character.) - He is the accuser of the brethren, his greatest weapon is lies. Scripture says that he tempts us - and he tempted Christ. He can't make us sin, but he can plant lies or confusion. We are commanded to weigh/test things and take every thought captive to the obedience of Christ.
2 Corinthians 10:4-5 New International Version (NIV)
4 "The weapons we fight with are not the weapons of the world. On the contrary, they have divine power to demolish strongholds. 5 We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ." Three dreams, three lessons. ***People's dreams and 'interpretations' of these dreams, or what God is saying through these dreams is already shaped by our world-view, prior opinions or incorrect information. The best example of this is the countless people who experienced 'supernatural' stigmata - bleeding from the hands, which was shaped by their ignorance of history and Biblical languages. They thought that Jesus was pierced in the hand. When this was proven to be impossible medically, and scientifically and linguistically, (many languages don't have separate words for hands and wrist) the 'stigmata/ supernatural bleeding' moved from the hands to the wrist. 1. A great example of this was the dream, by some gal named Melissa on You-tube who had a dream that Feast of Trumpets was 'changed' this year. - and others had a special dream from God, revealing special insight that the calendars are 'Off' - the same dream that gets repeated every year in the Fall, when the rapture doesn't happen on Yom Teruah or Day of Atonement. **They -?? The rabbis? forgot to add the extra leap month, so everything is delayed. 2. And another person on this forum, said God showed him/her the exact day, month, year, and minute of an event in history- and this person's understanding of this event was shaped and influenced by false information, and other witnessed events in History. God will never tell us something that violates or contradicts scripture. ***Anytime, anyone says "God told me ... in a dream . . . there should be red flags. Scripture is clear that in the last days, people will have dreams and visions, but the primary way God speaks is through scripture !!!! One of the most fundamental points of Biblical interpretation is that we - Never Use Experience - (our own or anyone else's experience) as a lens to interpret scripture. We should always interpret our experience through scripture, not scripture through/or by our experience. 3. Another example was from my own Bible college . A very handsome young guy came, and then a gal in college had a "dream that God told her she would marry him." Then another gal had a dream that God told her she would marry this guy. -- If we just have this information - is it possible that one of the gals did indeed hear from God??? Yes. -- We also know that one must be mistaken. Maybe both. A third lady had the same dream, and a fourth. Yes, really. -- What was not known to us or them, was that this very handsome man was already married, but didn't have a wedding ring. ***Their interpretation/ understanding was skewed by ignorance/ missing information. We also should be very skeptical if anyone makes a claim of special/ private revelation. It's a sure sign of a false teacher/ cult leader.
The same for people who say that the Revelation 12 sign was fulfilled this year. **It still could be fulfilled, and it was fulfilled before, but it hasn't been yet, this year. There was an alignment that happened, as predicted by multiple constellation software programs. A sign points to something ahead, or at this immediate location. I get that it can take some time to play out. A "falling rocks" could be a mile or two ahead, but it's not 167 miles ahead, in the next state. The "Stop sign" in a college dorm room - is not fulfilled.
Blessings. Maranatha.
You make several good points (and a humorous story) ..... I think you are correct -- everything should be backed up by scripture. I will disagree with you -- the Revelation 12:1 Sign was fulfilled this year on Sept. 23. It is even possible that Revelation 12:2 was fulfilled (though how to show the "pain" (travail) in the stars -- not sure we can really nail that -- so it is possible Revelation 12 :2 was not fulfilled. If Revelation 12:3-4 is suppose to be a heavenly sign -- then not sure that portion has happened (or been fulfilled). If Revelation 12:5 is about the rapture (and I think it is) -- then that sign has not been fulfilled yet.... cause the rapture has not happened. What the actual meaning of the sign is -- not sure we have that nailed down yet as well. Yes, it could be a "falling rock" type sign for the next .... however, long ... or it could be a notification of a bridge out sign -- 100 miles down the road (meaning something will need done before the next 100 miles). Not exactly sure what the Dorm room Stop Sign means -- care to pass on you thoughts. |
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Post by disciple4life on Oct 10, 2017 9:39:04 GMT -6
Hello cwood85,
**Disclaimer before we talk about dreams and visions. At first, - just when I saw the thread, I thought - "Oh Brother, another person, saying God told them something in a dream." This was NOT that at all, and very refreshing. :-) Continue to test it and weigh it through scripture and others, and asking for wisdom. James chapter 1. I really hope you are encouraged - I love the humility and the aspect of "weighing". [This might be the Holy Spirit revealing something, but it could be bad pizza.] The humility and caution that you show, is what's missing in the vast majority of 'I had a dream' blogs, and threads. Tremendous damage has been done to the church as a result of people who actually had a dream or vision and - It was really Not from God at all- not necessarily saying it was evil, but it was just bad pizza. Something they ate, or some other influence.
- It was a real dream that could have some importance, and maybe even a warning, or something by the Holy Spirit, but they mis-understood it, misinterpreted it. They extrapolated some meaning that was incorrect. **Sometimes, they even attach a wrong fact or wrong understanding of scripture to their dream, to make a point.
- It was a thought, that was actually planted by the enemy, (confusion, accusations and lies about us, or about God's character.) - He is the accuser of the brethren, his greatest weapon is lies. Scripture says that he tempts us - and he tempted Christ. He can't make us sin, but he can plant lies or confusion. We are commanded to weigh/test things and take every thought captive to the obedience of Christ.
2 Corinthians 10:4-5 New International Version (NIV)
4 "The weapons we fight with are not the weapons of the world. On the contrary, they have divine power to demolish strongholds. 5 We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ." Three dreams, three lessons. ***People's dreams and 'interpretations' of these dreams, or what God is saying through these dreams is already shaped by our world-view, prior opinions or incorrect information. The best example of this is the countless people who experienced 'supernatural' stigmata - bleeding from the hands, which was shaped by their ignorance of history and Biblical languages. They thought that Jesus was pierced in the hand. When this was proven to be impossible medically, and scientifically and linguistically, (many languages don't have separate words for hands and wrist) the 'stigmata/ supernatural bleeding' moved from the hands to the wrist. 1. A great example of this was the dream, by some gal named Melissa on You-tube who had a dream that Feast of Trumpets was 'changed' this year. - and others had a special dream from God, revealing special insight that the calendars are 'Off' - the same dream that gets repeated every year in the Fall, when the rapture doesn't happen on Yom Teruah or Day of Atonement. **They -?? The rabbis? forgot to add the extra leap month, so everything is delayed. 2. And another person on this forum, said God showed him/her the exact day, month, year, and minute of an event in history- and this person's understanding of this event was shaped and influenced by false information, and other witnessed events in History. God will never tell us something that violates or contradicts scripture. ***Anytime, anyone says "God told me ... in a dream . . . there should be red flags. Scripture is clear that in the last days, people will have dreams and visions, but the primary way God speaks is through scripture !!!! One of the most fundamental points of Biblical interpretation is that we - Never Use Experience - (our own or anyone else's experience) as a lens to interpret scripture. We should always interpret our experience through scripture, not scripture through/or by our experience. 3. Another example was from my own Bible college . A very handsome young guy came, and then a gal in college had a "dream that God told her she would marry him." Then another gal had a dream that God told her she would marry this guy. -- If we just have this information - is it possible that one of the gals did indeed hear from God??? Yes. -- We also know that one must be mistaken. Maybe both. A third lady had the same dream, and a fourth. Yes, really. -- What was not known to us or them, was that this very handsome man was already married, but didn't have a wedding ring. ***Their interpretation/ understanding was skewed by ignorance/ missing information. We also should be very skeptical if anyone makes a claim of special/ private revelation. It's a sure sign of a false teacher/ cult leader.
The same for people who say that the Revelation 12 sign was fulfilled this year. **It still could be fulfilled, and it was fulfilled before, but it hasn't been yet, this year. There was an alignment that happened, as predicted by multiple constellation software programs. A sign points to something ahead, or at this immediate location. I get that it can take some time to play out. A "falling rocks" could be a mile or two ahead, but it's not 167 miles ahead, in the next state. The "Stop sign" in a college dorm room - is not fulfilled.
Blessings. Maranatha.
You make several good points (and a humorous story) ..... I think you are correct -- everything should be backed up by scripture. I will disagree with you -- the Revelation 12:1 Sign was fulfilled this year on Sept. 23. It is even possible that Revelation 12:2 was fulfilled (though how to show the "pain" (travail) in the stars -- not sure we can really nail that -- so it is possible Revelation 12 :2 was not fulfilled. If Revelation 12:3-4 is suppose to be a heavenly sign -- then not sure that portion has happened (or been fulfilled). If Revelation 12:5 is about the rapture (and I think it is) -- then that sign has not been fulfilled yet.... cause the rapture has not happened. What the actual meaning of the sign is -- not sure we have that nailed down yet as well. Yes, it could be a "falling rock" type sign for the next .... however, long ... or it could be a notification of a bridge out sign -- 100 miles down the road (meaning something will need done before the next 100 miles). Not exactly sure what the Dorm room Stop Sign means -- care to pass on you thoughts. Great response, brother. It's people like you - sharing different perspectives - and most often the ones who show us the holes - that really stretch us and make us better Bereans - "dividing the Word of truth even better". ;-)
OK, hope this helps - I often don't get it right on the first go ;-) The sign in the college dorm room in Nebraska says "Falling Rocks ahead." In it's original context, it was put up in the Rocky Mountains in 1997. It was stolen and resold in second hand shops, until it was purchased by Bob as a gift for his dorm room in Nebraska. Brad is a young believer and is really learning a lot about end times and eschatology. The September alignment is the 'Falling Rocks Ahead' sign. It points to something ahead - and kjs rightly pointed out that they can also indicate something that is present -or this exact location. ;-) Usually, they do both. As you enter the South, you see signs for Chick-Fil-A. Exit 237 on 1-40. As you get to the exit - there is a directional sign with an arrow, to show you left or right and usually a mile indicator -.5 mile. Then, when you get there, there is a sign on the building. The Falling Rocks ahead warns of something ahead - warns drivers of impending danger, drive with caution.!!! The sign itself is not fulfilled. It is fulfilled when what it points to, happens or occurs. Brad goes into Bob's room to study and sees the Falling Rocks Ahead sign, and laughs because he lived in Colorado, but now they're in Nebraska. 150 miles flat in any direction. Revelation 12:1 A great sign appeared in heaven:(B) a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars(C) on her head. There has been nothing at this point of any eschatological significance - No rapture, no tribulation, no second coming, no Peace Treaty, No Temple started, no sacrifice in Jerusalem, no Anti-Christ revealed, no WW III, or Ginormous mystery planet appearing and breaking off the Western 1/3 of the US. **At this point, the events in this verse have happened hundreds of times. The events that the sign points to /predicts have dual fulfillment - The first time it was fulfilled was Sept 11, 3 BC on Yom Teruah - Feast of Trumpets, when Christ was born. www.Torahcalendar.org The woman in the stars clothed with the sun and the moon under her feet gave birth, as the "Branch" - Spica touched the Earth. ;-) Just wow.!! Right now, its as if we're all packed in a VW van in the Rockies -- kjs is driving and whatif is the navigator and we've just had record-breaking rains, and we just saw a sign "Falling Rocks Ahead". We are all extremely alert, and are literally looking and expecting that at any moment, just around the next curve, - to see what the sign points to. I think it could be this weekend. ;-) Yeah, call me crazy. In my humble opinion - based on my my understanding of scripture, as I harmonize Revel with Daniel and I Thes 4 and 1 Corinthians 15:50-52 and Collossians 2:16-17 with Zechariah, - I believe all the Feasts are inseparably linked to Christ. The scripture record of Zechariah's service in the temple, coupled when John the Baptist was conceived, and Stellarium, all confirm this date in History. blessings, Disciple4life Maranatha. !!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2017 10:01:42 GMT -6
The number of rounds satan fires at you was six. Even that "small" detail stuck out to me.
Thanks again for sharing that my friend😀
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Post by cwood85 on Oct 10, 2017 10:55:15 GMT -6
The number of rounds satan fires at you was six. Even that "small" detail stuck out to me. Thanks again for sharing that my friend😀 Yes, definitely could not forget that in my dream, I counted each time he fired. I was terrified and stunned at the same time that no bullets left the chamber. |
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Post by MissusMack08 on Oct 10, 2017 11:01:06 GMT -6
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Post by everyknee on Oct 10, 2017 11:22:30 GMT -6
I don't know if this is an appropriate place to post this, but I'll go ahead. You all can let me know if it's not.
I have frequently had weird dreams in my life and they are almost always meaningless or about something I've been thinking about a lot already. I've had a few dreams where I feel pretty sure they were symbolic of something spiritual, but never anything magnificent or huge.
On Sept. 23, I felt really, really hopeful that the Lord would come in the clouds, so I spent the whole morning (live in Kansas- Central time) at my mom and dad's graves. I was so hoping to see dirt fly, if that might be the way the dead in Christ are raised. Of course I guess that it's possible that they just disappear out of their caskets and are with the Lord in the air, with no one on earth seeing anything unusual. I guess I hope that the graves split open so as to show the world that the rapture really happened and that the Bible is true.
Like many of you, I was sad when it didn't happen, but I thought to myself, "Well, I know he's still coming sometime, and we just didn't know enough or didn't interpret things accurately." I felt quite peaceful actually.
The next morning as the sun was coming up, I had an incredible dream that I don't know the source of: either my brain that has been thinking of nothing else for months, or a dream from God. If it was just my brain, I'm kind of amazed where some of it came from. I've only told one person, and that was about the only person I knew who i thought would not mock me.
The dream: I was outdoors sitting in very green grass, next to my garage and driveway (although I don't have a garage), nice fall weather, maybe close to sundown. My husband was there, my two sisters (who live far away from me), and my grandson whom I'm very close to. He's 14 now, but in the dream he was a toddler. We were just relaxing, enjoying the outdoors. The sky started to get dim much more quickly than the dusk of sundown; it was just like during the eclipse, except it kept getting darker and darker until it was pitch black and there were billions of stars visible. The unnatural thing was that I could still see my sisters, husband, and grandson who was sitting in my lap, as if a very faint little spotlight was lighting them. We all KNEW that it was the rapture and we were quiet, sitting there looking up at the sky. One of my sisters has said that she has greatly diverged from the Christian path that our parents raised us on - and that's all she will say, and I've spent so much time praying for her. I asked her if she knew Jesus as her Savior and the only way to God the father. She confidently said, "Oh, yes!" The other sister (who is a strong Christian) told me to be quiet because she was trying to pray.
Nothing was happening fast; it was like a show that starting to begin, as if gathering the attention of everyone on earth. Then we saw a shooting star which shot clear across the sky against the backdrop of the billions of stars and never faded out. Then ALL the stars rapidly flew away, from left to right. The sky was empty and pitch black, and then a tiny dot of light appeared very high in the sky with teeny, skinny electrical arcs shooting all the way to the ground, flashing and jerking like the kind you see in a plasma ball when you touch it. Then they stopped and the small dot of light grew slowly, moving towards us, and then huge lightning bolts started shooting out of the growing, intensely white 'blob', not long bolts, but short, wide, very powerful bolts, many of them, shooting in all directions, both white and yellow. The 'blob' was pulsating and rumbling, flashing and growing, and the sound of thunder and rumblings shook the earth. We were fascinated and watched silently, knowing what was happening.
As strong as the visible and audible parts of the dream were, what was much stronger and unshakable was the power and force and authority that the dream conveyed. In the dream, my mind thought, "There is no denying that this is God...that only God could remove the stars and show his unbelievable power." There was the sense that everything could explode if He wanted it to.
Then the ALARM went off. I tried to go back to sleep, hoping to see more, but couldn't. I thought about the dream all day that Sunday and since, and it occurred to me, that IF it were a dream from God, he knew exactly when the alarm would sound and he allowed me to see however much he wanted me to see.
I have never once imagined anything like this in my awake state, so if it was just my brain dreaming, it was still amazing. I know of no scripture that says that the skies will darken at the rapture. It only says that he's coming in the clouds. I think I'm only telling you all this because it impacted me strongly and I don't think you will laugh at me.
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Post by MissusMack08 on Oct 10, 2017 11:45:53 GMT -6
Thank you for sharing your dream, everyknee. Whether it's true or not, it sure was amazing! I keep having dreams about the rapture... and it's always dark. The sky is always covered with dark ominous clouds... my dreams are never highly vivid. I only remember vague parts and wake up with a general impression of what I saw and how I felt. So, I don't put a lot of stock into my dreams, but thought I'd share that mine are always dark too, if that means anything. I've been dreaming about the rapture at least 2-3 times a week since the eclipse. If the rapture occurs and the Tribulation occurs immediately afterward... there are plenty of verses that describe "the day of the Lord" as a dark day, where the sun, moon and stars don't give their light etc etc. So it could very well happen that way. I keep wondering if a major volcano is going to blow and put the earth into relative darkness right at the beginning of the Trib and possibly simultaneous to the rapture. Since we're still waiting on Bali's volcano to erupt, it's certainly possible, if that eruption is bigger than the last one it had. |
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Post by cwood85 on Oct 10, 2017 11:53:02 GMT -6
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Post by MissusMack08 on Oct 10, 2017 11:58:55 GMT -6
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Post by MissusMack08 on Oct 10, 2017 12:33:38 GMT -6
cwood85, I re-read your first dream. It's very interesting some of the parallels. 1) Little girl. One is pregnant and one is carrying "the remnant" (my interpretation) of the ancient one. 2) Little girl flees to hiding spot. One flees UP into attic and the other DOWN into basement. 3) Protection of the hiding place. One is behind the cross, and the other is behind an old steel door. 4) A house is used in both dreams to hide in. 5) Handsome evil one wearing black. (Did they look alike?) 6) people knew who the enemy was and ran when it came. Satan in one, the "SWAT team" in the other. There's probably more but I can't think of any at the moment. Some differences: 1) You were a participant in one and an observer in the other. 2) the ending of one was of your own strength and confidence in Christ as your protector (you were willing to chase after Satan). In the other, people were helpless and arrested. 3) the one in black acted differently in the two dreams. Please add more anyone if you think of them.
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Post by yardstick on Oct 10, 2017 14:08:05 GMT -6
I don't know if this is an appropriate place to post this, but I'll go ahead. You all can let me know if it's not. I have frequently had weird dreams in my life and they are almost always meaningless or about something I've been thinking about a lot already. I've had a few dreams where I feel pretty sure they were symbolic of something spiritual, but never anything magnificent or huge. On Sept. 23, I felt really, really hopeful that the Lord would come in the clouds, so I spent the whole morning (live in Kansas- Central time) at my mom and dad's graves. I was so hoping to see dirt fly, if that might be the way the dead in Christ are raised. Of course I guess that it's possible that they just disappear out of their caskets and are with the Lord in the air, with no one on earth seeing anything unusual. I guess I hope that the graves split open so as to show the world that the rapture really happened and that the Bible is true. Like many of you, I was sad when it didn't happen, but I thought to myself, "Well, I know he's still coming sometime, and we just didn't know enough or didn't interpret things accurately." I felt quite peaceful actually. The next morning as the sun was coming up, I had an incredible dream that I don't know the source of: either my brain that has been thinking of nothing else for months, or a dream from God. If it was just my brain, I'm kind of amazed where some of it came from. I've only told one person, and that was about the only person I knew who i thought would not mock me. The dream: I was outdoors sitting in very green grass, next to my garage and driveway (although I don't have a garage), nice fall weather, maybe close to sundown. My husband was there, my two sisters (who live far away from me), and my grandson whom I'm very close to. He's 14 now, but in the dream he was a toddler. We were just relaxing, enjoying the outdoors. The sky started to get dim much more quickly than the dusk of sundown; it was just like during the eclipse, except it kept getting darker and darker until it was pitch black and there were billions of stars visible. The unnatural thing was that I could still see my sisters, husband, and grandson who was sitting in my lap, as if a very faint little spotlight was lighting them. We all KNEW that it was the rapture and we were quiet, sitting there looking up at the sky. One of my sisters has said that she has greatly diverged from the Christian path that our parents raised us on - and that's all she will say, and I've spent so much time praying for her. I asked her if she knew Jesus as her Savior and the only way to God the father. She confidently said, "Oh, yes!" The other sister (who is a strong Christian) told me to be quiet because she was trying to pray. Nothing was happening fast; it was like a show that starting to begin, as if gathering the attention of everyone on earth. Then we saw a shooting star which shot clear across the sky against the backdrop of the billions of stars and never faded out. Then ALL the stars rapidly flew away, from left to right. The sky was empty and pitch black, and then a tiny dot of light appeared very high in the sky with teeny, skinny electrical arcs shooting all the way to the ground, flashing and jerking like the kind you see in a plasma ball when you touch it. Then they stopped and the small dot of light grew slowly, moving towards us, and then huge lightning bolts started shooting out of the growing, intensely white 'blob', not long bolts, but short, wide, very powerful bolts, many of them, shooting in all directions, both white and yellow. The 'blob' was pulsating and rumbling, flashing and growing, and the sound of thunder and rumblings shook the earth. We were fascinated and watched silently, knowing what was happening. As strong as the visible and audible parts of the dream were, what was much stronger and unshakable was the power and force and authority that the dream conveyed. In the dream, my mind thought, "There is no denying that this is God...that only God could remove the stars and show his unbelievable power." There was the sense that everything could explode if He wanted it to. Then the ALARM went off. I tried to go back to sleep, hoping to see more, but couldn't. I thought about the dream all day that Sunday and since, and it occurred to me, that IF it were a dream from God, he knew exactly when the alarm would sound and he allowed me to see however much he wanted me to see. I have never once imagined anything like this in my awake state, so if it was just my brain dreaming, it was still amazing. I know of no scripture that says that the skies will darken at the rapture. It only says that he's coming in the clouds. I think I'm only telling you all this because it impacted me strongly and I don't think you will laugh at me. How about this one; only, I believe it refers to the second coming at the end of the trib: Psalms 18:9 et alBTW, the preceding and subsequent verses are also very informative, and imho corroborate my belief that its the second coming. |
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Post by cwood85 on Oct 10, 2017 14:32:46 GMT -6
I don't know if this is an appropriate place to post this, but I'll go ahead. You all can let me know if it's not. I have frequently had weird dreams in my life and they are almost always meaningless or about something I've been thinking about a lot already. I've had a few dreams where I feel pretty sure they were symbolic of something spiritual, but never anything magnificent or huge. On Sept. 23, I felt really, really hopeful that the Lord would come in the clouds, so I spent the whole morning (live in Kansas- Central time) at my mom and dad's graves. I was so hoping to see dirt fly, if that might be the way the dead in Christ are raised. Of course I guess that it's possible that they just disappear out of their caskets and are with the Lord in the air, with no one on earth seeing anything unusual. I guess I hope that the graves split open so as to show the world that the rapture really happened and that the Bible is true. Like many of you, I was sad when it didn't happen, but I thought to myself, "Well, I know he's still coming sometime, and we just didn't know enough or didn't interpret things accurately." I felt quite peaceful actually. The next morning as the sun was coming up, I had an incredible dream that I don't know the source of: either my brain that has been thinking of nothing else for months, or a dream from God. If it was just my brain, I'm kind of amazed where some of it came from. I've only told one person, and that was about the only person I knew who i thought would not mock me. The dream: I was outdoors sitting in very green grass, next to my garage and driveway (although I don't have a garage), nice fall weather, maybe close to sundown. My husband was there, my two sisters (who live far away from me), and my grandson whom I'm very close to. He's 14 now, but in the dream he was a toddler. We were just relaxing, enjoying the outdoors. The sky started to get dim much more quickly than the dusk of sundown; it was just like during the eclipse, except it kept getting darker and darker until it was pitch black and there were billions of stars visible. The unnatural thing was that I could still see my sisters, husband, and grandson who was sitting in my lap, as if a very faint little spotlight was lighting them. We all KNEW that it was the rapture and we were quiet, sitting there looking up at the sky. One of my sisters has said that she has greatly diverged from the Christian path that our parents raised us on - and that's all she will say, and I've spent so much time praying for her. I asked her if she knew Jesus as her Savior and the only way to God the father. She confidently said, "Oh, yes!" The other sister (who is a strong Christian) told me to be quiet because she was trying to pray. Nothing was happening fast; it was like a show that starting to begin, as if gathering the attention of everyone on earth. Then we saw a shooting star which shot clear across the sky against the backdrop of the billions of stars and never faded out. Then ALL the stars rapidly flew away, from left to right. The sky was empty and pitch black, and then a tiny dot of light appeared very high in the sky with teeny, skinny electrical arcs shooting all the way to the ground, flashing and jerking like the kind you see in a plasma ball when you touch it. Then they stopped and the small dot of light grew slowly, moving towards us, and then huge lightning bolts started shooting out of the growing, intensely white 'blob', not long bolts, but short, wide, very powerful bolts, many of them, shooting in all directions, both white and yellow. The 'blob' was pulsating and rumbling, flashing and growing, and the sound of thunder and rumblings shook the earth. We were fascinated and watched silently, knowing what was happening. As strong as the visible and audible parts of the dream were, what was much stronger and unshakable was the power and force and authority that the dream conveyed. In the dream, my mind thought, "There is no denying that this is God...that only God could remove the stars and show his unbelievable power." There was the sense that everything could explode if He wanted it to. Then the ALARM went off. I tried to go back to sleep, hoping to see more, but couldn't. I thought about the dream all day that Sunday and since, and it occurred to me, that IF it were a dream from God, he knew exactly when the alarm would sound and he allowed me to see however much he wanted me to see. I have never once imagined anything like this in my awake state, so if it was just my brain dreaming, it was still amazing. I know of no scripture that says that the skies will darken at the rapture. It only says that he's coming in the clouds. I think I'm only telling you all this because it impacted me strongly and I don't think you will laugh at me. That is an amazing dream!!! |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2017 16:59:48 GMT -6
I have been mulling over this for over a month now and trying to process it. No idea what it meant at first. I am getting some pretty good ideas though. I had it at the beginning of September. Just as intense as my first dream (It is in another thread, I will try to find it and link it) I never claim these are prophetic nor am I receiving anything divine because I honestly do not know. This and my first dream however have been the most intense dreams I have ever had in my life. If they are divine or something from our Lord, than thank you Jesus for allowing me to possibly see or feel something, even if I do not understand it. Hello cwood85,
**Disclaimer before we talk about dreams and visions. At first, - just when I saw the thread, I thought - "Oh Brother, another person, saying God told them something in a dream." This was NOT that at all, and very refreshing. :-) Continue to test it and weigh it through scripture and others, and asking for wisdom. James chapter 1. I really hope you are encouraged - I love the humility and the aspect of "weighing". [This might be the Holy Spirit revealing something, but it could be bad pizza.] The humility and caution that you show, is what's missing in the vast majority of 'I had a dream' blogs, and threads. Tremendous damage has been done to the church as a result of people who actually had a dream or vision and - It was really Not from God at all- not necessarily saying it was evil, but it was just bad pizza. Something they ate, or some other influence.
- It was a real dream that could have some importance, and maybe even a warning, or something by the Holy Spirit, but they mis-understood it, misinterpreted it. They extrapolated some meaning that was incorrect. **Sometimes, they even attach a wrong fact or wrong understanding of scripture to their dream, to make a point.
- It was a thought, that was actually planted by the enemy, (confusion, accusations and lies about us, or about God's character.) - He is the accuser of the brethren, his greatest weapon is lies. Scripture says that he tempts us - and he tempted Christ. He can't make us sin, but he can plant lies or confusion. We are commanded to weigh/test things and take every thought captive to the obedience of Christ.
2 Corinthians 10:4-5 New International Version (NIV)
4 "The weapons we fight with are not the weapons of the world. On the contrary, they have divine power to demolish strongholds. 5 We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ." Three dreams, three lessons. ***People's dreams and 'interpretations' of these dreams, or what God is saying through these dreams is already shaped by our world-view, prior opinions or incorrect information. The best example of this is the countless people who experienced 'supernatural' stigmata - bleeding from the hands, which was shaped by their ignorance of history and Biblical languages. They thought that Jesus was pierced in the hand. When this was proven to be impossible medically, and scientifically and linguistically, (many languages don't have separate words for hands and wrist) the 'stigmata/ supernatural bleeding' moved from the hands to the wrist. 1. A great example of this was the dream, by some gal named Melissa on You-tube who had a dream that Feast of Trumpets was 'changed' this year. - and others had a special dream from God, revealing special insight that the calendars are 'Off' - the same dream that gets repeated every year in the Fall, when the rapture doesn't happen on Yom Teruah or Day of Atonement. **They -?? The rabbis? forgot to add the extra leap month, so everything is delayed. 2. And another person on this forum, said God showed him/her the exact day, month, year, and minute of an event in history- and this person's understanding of this event was shaped and influenced by false information, and other witnessed events in History. God will never tell us something that violates or contradicts scripture. ***Anytime, anyone says "God told me ... in a dream . . . there should be red flags. Scripture is clear that in the last days, people will have dreams and visions, but the primary way God speaks is through scripture !!!! One of the most fundamental points of Biblical interpretation is that we - Never Use Experience - (our own or anyone else's experience) as a lens to interpret scripture. We should always interpret our experience through scripture, not scripture through/or by our experience. 3. Another example was from my own Bible college . A very handsome young guy came, and then a gal in college had a "dream that God told her she would marry him." Then another gal had a dream that God told her she would marry this guy. -- If we just have this information - is it possible that one of the gals did indeed hear from God??? Yes. -- We also know that one must be mistaken. Maybe both. A third lady had the same dream, and a fourth. Yes, really. -- What was not known to us or them, was that this very handsome man was already married, but didn't have a wedding ring. ***Their interpretation/ understanding was skewed by ignorance/ missing information. We also should be very skeptical if anyone makes a claim of special/ private revelation. It's a sure sign of a false teacher/ cult leader.
The same for people who say that the Revelation 12 sign was fulfilled this year. **It still could be fulfilled, and it was fulfilled before, but it hasn't been yet, this year. There was an alignment that happened, as predicted by multiple constellation software programs. A sign points to something ahead, or at this immediate location. I get that it can take some time to play out. A "falling rocks" could be a mile or two ahead, but it's not 167 miles ahead, in the next state. The "Stop sign" in a college dorm room - is not fulfilled.
Blessings. Maranatha.
I struggled greatly with this post. Is it best to just leave it alone? Or does it need to be dealt with. Am I edifying the body by commenting? Or am I keeping the peace by saying nothing? In the end, I have decided to respond. I had written a much larger response, but perhaps this will strike the right balance. …………………. The comments about humbly submitting what we think we hear from the Lord, back to the Lord and to the body are awesome comments. Good job disciple4life. But this same level of humility ought to be expressed in our outright denouncing of what others have heard from God. I think we should be much more careful about dismissing the work of the Holy Spirit and attributing it to Satan or rotten food. Nobody here is disputing that all things should be tried with scripture. But we can’t even agree with what scripture says - so we should be very careful in declaring that something is against scripture when, in truth, we might simply not understand. Something in scripture may seem totally obvious to one person and still be completely wrong. Consider what Abraham’s “friends” would have said when he told them that God told him that he was supposed to kill his son. Certainly that would violate everyone’s understanding of who God is and what his law is and what scripture would say. And yet….by faith Abraham acted according to the Word he heard. Others would have simply been wrong and too proud to know it. The Word of the Lord is living, dynamic, and active in each moment. I understand where this post is coming from, but it did burden me greatly. I have learned over many years that God is someone who is talking to his people all the time! We do need to learn how to hear, translate, interpret, and distribute the Word and there is room for growth in these areas. While learning, we will occasionally corrupt his Word due to our own idols in our hearts. But others should be very humble in their approach to dismissing the Word that may be being spoken to others instead of assuming they understand the scriptures better than others. |
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Post by cwood85 on Oct 10, 2017 17:29:22 GMT -6
Hello cwood85,
**Disclaimer before we talk about dreams and visions. At first, - just when I saw the thread, I thought - "Oh Brother, another person, saying God told them something in a dream." This was NOT that at all, and very refreshing. :-) Continue to test it and weigh it through scripture and others, and asking for wisdom. James chapter 1. I really hope you are encouraged - I love the humility and the aspect of "weighing". [This might be the Holy Spirit revealing something, but it could be bad pizza.] The humility and caution that you show, is what's missing in the vast majority of 'I had a dream' blogs, and threads. Tremendous damage has been done to the church as a result of people who actually had a dream or vision and - It was really Not from God at all- not necessarily saying it was evil, but it was just bad pizza. Something they ate, or some other influence.
- It was a real dream that could have some importance, and maybe even a warning, or something by the Holy Spirit, but they mis-understood it, misinterpreted it. They extrapolated some meaning that was incorrect. **Sometimes, they even attach a wrong fact or wrong understanding of scripture to their dream, to make a point.
- It was a thought, that was actually planted by the enemy, (confusion, accusations and lies about us, or about God's character.) - He is the accuser of the brethren, his greatest weapon is lies. Scripture says that he tempts us - and he tempted Christ. He can't make us sin, but he can plant lies or confusion. We are commanded to weigh/test things and take every thought captive to the obedience of Christ.
2 Corinthians 10:4-5 New International Version (NIV)
4 "The weapons we fight with are not the weapons of the world. On the contrary, they have divine power to demolish strongholds. 5 We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ." Three dreams, three lessons. ***People's dreams and 'interpretations' of these dreams, or what God is saying through these dreams is already shaped by our world-view, prior opinions or incorrect information. The best example of this is the countless people who experienced 'supernatural' stigmata - bleeding from the hands, which was shaped by their ignorance of history and Biblical languages. They thought that Jesus was pierced in the hand. When this was proven to be impossible medically, and scientifically and linguistically, (many languages don't have separate words for hands and wrist) the 'stigmata/ supernatural bleeding' moved from the hands to the wrist. 1. A great example of this was the dream, by some gal named Melissa on You-tube who had a dream that Feast of Trumpets was 'changed' this year. - and others had a special dream from God, revealing special insight that the calendars are 'Off' - the same dream that gets repeated every year in the Fall, when the rapture doesn't happen on Yom Teruah or Day of Atonement. **They -?? The rabbis? forgot to add the extra leap month, so everything is delayed. 2. And another person on this forum, said God showed him/her the exact day, month, year, and minute of an event in history- and this person's understanding of this event was shaped and influenced by false information, and other witnessed events in History. God will never tell us something that violates or contradicts scripture. ***Anytime, anyone says "God told me ... in a dream . . . there should be red flags. Scripture is clear that in the last days, people will have dreams and visions, but the primary way God speaks is through scripture !!!! One of the most fundamental points of Biblical interpretation is that we - Never Use Experience - (our own or anyone else's experience) as a lens to interpret scripture. We should always interpret our experience through scripture, not scripture through/or by our experience. 3. Another example was from my own Bible college . A very handsome young guy came, and then a gal in college had a "dream that God told her she would marry him." Then another gal had a dream that God told her she would marry this guy. -- If we just have this information - is it possible that one of the gals did indeed hear from God??? Yes. -- We also know that one must be mistaken. Maybe both. A third lady had the same dream, and a fourth. Yes, really. -- What was not known to us or them, was that this very handsome man was already married, but didn't have a wedding ring. ***Their interpretation/ understanding was skewed by ignorance/ missing information. We also should be very skeptical if anyone makes a claim of special/ private revelation. It's a sure sign of a false teacher/ cult leader.
The same for people who say that the Revelation 12 sign was fulfilled this year. **It still could be fulfilled, and it was fulfilled before, but it hasn't been yet, this year. There was an alignment that happened, as predicted by multiple constellation software programs. A sign points to something ahead, or at this immediate location. I get that it can take some time to play out. A "falling rocks" could be a mile or two ahead, but it's not 167 miles ahead, in the next state. The "Stop sign" in a college dorm room - is not fulfilled.
Blessings. Maranatha.
I struggled greatly with this post. Is it best to just leave it alone? Or does it need to be dealt with. Am I edifying the body by commenting? Or am I keeping the peace by saying nothing? In the end, I have decided to respond. I had written a much larger response, but perhaps this will strike the right balance. …………………. The comments about humbly submitting what we think we hear from the Lord, back to the Lord and to the body are awesome comments. Good job disciple4life. But this same level of humility ought to be expressed in our outright denouncing of what others have heard from God. I think we should be much more careful about dismissing the work of the Holy Spirit and attributing it to Satan or rotten food. Nobody here is disputing that all things should be tried with scripture. But we can’t even agree with what scripture says - so we should be very careful in declaring that something is against scripture when, in truth, we might simply not understand. Something in scripture may seem totally obvious to one person and still be completely wrong. Consider what Abraham’s “friends” would have said when he told them that God told him that he was supposed to kill his son. Certainly that would violate everyone’s understanding of who God is and what his law is and what scripture would say. And yet….by faith Abraham acted according to the Word he heard. Others would have simply been wrong and too proud to know it. The Word of the Lord is living, dynamic, and active in each moment. I understand where this post is coming from, but it did burden me greatly. I have learned over many years that God is someone who is talking to his people all the time! We do need to learn how to hear, translate, interpret, and distribute the Word and there is room for growth in these areas. While learning, we will occasionally corrupt his Word due to our own idols in our hearts. But others should be very humble in their approach to dismissing the Word that may be being spoken to others instead of assuming they understand the scriptures better than others. Well said silent. I hope I have not stepped on any toes posting this or come off as someone special. It is not easy to post things like this. I would only tell my mother something like this, everyone else in my family would look at me like I am crazy. This is a special group here. Thank you. Dreams are very personal and to put it out there has had me going back and forth the last few days. But when I really started looking into certainthings, my mouth dropped open and I am having a hard time processing this. If anything, because I really do not know well enough of the Bible to know where to even look for information regarding these dreams. To be completely honest, I am having a hard time with it. There is a lot going in these dreams, and well I am just little ole me and am a little overwhelmed. I think maybe people who God possibly has spoken to via dreams if they are true would feel that way to. Again, I do not know for sure if that is the case here. I ask for understanding or this was from the Lord and it is coming in bits and pieces. But someone said earlier that it was "heavy." You just do not know how right you are. Heavy and overwhelming. The range of emotions that I felt were very real, and stuck with me for days. I woke up from it still angry with Satan. I probably would have punched him had he been there for real when I woke up lol. Thank you everyone for your responses. Can anyone suggest some more scripture regarding this please? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2017 19:00:31 GMT -6
cwood85 - I have no problem with your post. I thought you handled it very well.  I have not prayed about your dream quite yet. I have some ideas related to a paper I wrote in 2004 which has some related themes - in particular the "very old cottage type house." I need to bring this to the Lord before I expound here. Just been a couple of busy days and haven't had a chance to commit to it quite yet.
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