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Post by cwood85 on Feb 7, 2018 19:38:35 GMT -6
Wow. He states he is declaring war on Christian Zionism. His distinction is that the salvation of souls takes president over the nation of Israel. Additionally, he seems to limit his work to the New Testament. Please correct me if I am wrong on these three major points. First of all, how does war on Christian Zionism save souls? His contention is that we should embrace all groups including those worshiping all types of false gods in order to save souls; however, he wants to first destroy Christian Zionism. I can't help but laugh. If those who are worshiping wicked and false gods choose to repent and follow Christ then great. In the meantime to suggest that we make way to placate them is crazy. Can I say asinine? Thanks CW for pointing out this false teacher. I am going to have to rewatch this later because I do not remember him saying he embraced all groups that worshipped false gods. The main thing he said that I agree with is we should be over there preaching the gospel, not supporting them getting closer to doing their sacrifices. Maybe I am naive on a lot of this Zionism stuff that he talking about. And to that I do not think he is a false teacher on wanting to spread the gospel verses donating to a religion that 100% denies Christ and replaces all he did with their works of following the law. |
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Post by cwood85 on Feb 7, 2018 19:03:44 GMT -6
A person would have to do more research than I have time for right now to find out where contributions come from to build the Temple. I don't imagine the money comes from the money Israel gets from our government. Maybe some does come from churches and Christian organizations, but I have no knowledge of which ones. I agree with you that Christians should be spreading the gospel and not be building the temple. But that video is making some serious accusations about anyone who supports Israel (they ruined America, made up the rapture, aren't worshiping Jesus, want to kick everyone but the Jew out of the Middle East). He's also spreading misinformation (see my post about the taxes)...in other words...lying. And he's doing it to rile people up against Israel. Could that be seen as anti-Semitic? Maybe. I hope that you didn't think I said anything about your stance on Israel or the Jews. I was only commenting on what I saw in the video. No Natalie I do not think you were saying that directly about me. I just wanted to put that out there as a general statement to anyone who may read. |
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Post by cwood85 on Feb 7, 2018 18:12:10 GMT -6
Just to clarify I do not think Jewish people do not have rights to land. They fought for it and won wars for it. Second I am not anti Semitic. I have Jewish heritage and ancestors who died in the holocaust. What I do not think is good though is funding from Christian churches for a temple to be built. The whole ideology behind the sacrifices completely denies what Jesus did on the cross and discredits the entire New Testament. To me it is actually worse than hating Jesus because instead of just not believing and denying what Jesus did, they are basically saying what they do is better to forgive sins. And many Zionist funding also ties into the temple funding from Christian churches. Anyone is allowed to believe whatever. Their fate is up to God, but funding and supporting something that completely denies Jesus and the gospel should be viewed differently than it is.
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Post by cwood85 on Feb 7, 2018 16:45:44 GMT -6
I claim no distinction as being either of those beliefs. Both have flaws. But I think if Israel is driving out churches that teach the gospel, that is not good. That is persecution is it not? AGAIN - This website believes in Premillennialism..... IF you have an issue with that (and you saying both have flaws - suggest you are) ... seems to be indicating you are not in agreement with the rules of this website...... HERE is RULE 1 again..... 1. No debating core doctrines of the Christian faith. If you are participating here you should be a committed Believer. Seekers and non-Christians are more than welcome also, but this is a forum that honors God's Word and therefore arguments against His Word aren't for this forum... questions are welcome though! For purposes of this forum, "core doctrines" are considered to be the historic tenets of Christianity: One self-existent God, the Trinity, the Incarnation, the virgin birth, the full deity of Christ, the substitutionary atonement, the literal and physical resurrection of Christ, salvation through faith alone in Christ alone, a literal and future bodily resurrection of the dead, and a historical-grammatical interpretation of Scripture. Premillennialism, a literal rapture of the Church to Heaven, and a literal/historical interpretation of Genesis 1-11 are also considered core doctrines. Nothing in my post is debating core doctrine. I very much so believe in the rapture and the resurrection of the dead. It's the pre, mid, and post rapture viewpoints that I have issues with and those are not listed in the rule. Having varying viewpoints on this is also not against core doctrine and is discussed regularly on this website. I certainly also believe the rapture happens before the thousand year rein of Christ just so we are clear. Which I do believe he also mentions in the video that he believes as well in the millennial reign and we are gathered to Christ before the this time period. So that does not make me anti premillennialism, but I am allowed to disagree with some of the gray areas of this belief such as pre, mid, post or even if there is a seven year tribulation connecting the rapture at all. Not breaking any rules as far as I can tell. If I am in error, please explain further. |
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Post by cwood85 on Feb 7, 2018 15:59:12 GMT -6
I claim no distinction as being either of those beliefs. Both have flaws. But I think if Israel is driving out churches that teach the gospel, that is not good. That is persecution is it not?
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Post by cwood85 on Feb 7, 2018 15:20:29 GMT -6
Amen! What this man is saying is so important to what is happening today. This is in direct relation to this thread. EDIT: Removed dual link ... Left original link in the thread below..... Read more: unsealed.boards.net/thread/1366/church-drunk-over-israel#ixzz56SjezfymWARNING: This video speaks against Premillennialism and the idea that God is restoring Israel to their land....... |
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Post by cwood85 on Feb 7, 2018 15:18:20 GMT -6
Amen to this man! For his fire and zeal for our Lord and Savior Jesus! Please listen to this video. It is about 30 minutes long. I am posting this in the Kingdom of God thread in the New Jerusalem Boardas it is in direct relation to what SK was relaying in that thread.
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Removed link for being anti-Semitic and saying PreTrib is a lie....
Locking thread as well...
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Post by cwood85 on Feb 4, 2018 9:55:29 GMT -6
Good post cwood85. We should indeed be sharing the Gospel with them. I think the Christians that have gotten caught up in actively supporting the third temple (actually funding it and pushing for it to happen) are misguided. They think that by hastening the re-building of the temple that they can hasten the events they long to see. Namely, the rapture of the church and subsequently, the tribulation. I've never given a dime to this effort myself, but I have to admit that I watch these things closely, and I'd be crazy not to. Because while it's wrong for Christians to support this effort, I believe the Jews will forge ahead with their plan, and this is really fulfilling God's plan. The prophecies are true, so that temple will be re-built in some form, and the sacrifices will start up again, and the A of D will occur. But as a Christian, the nearer we get to this becoming reality just means my "redemption draweth nigh". I can't hasten this or slow it, nor should I try. But I need to be watching it unfold, because it will, and it's a sure sign that Jesus is coming soon. Good points. That is the other point SK was explaining, those that support and are encouraging the building of the temple and sacrifices may be in for a big shock. Sure the Jews will forge ahead with their plan to build the temple and start sacrifices. But those in Christianity are under that same following by supporting, are in the same category as doing the sacrifices unfortunately. My parents always taught me that if I hang around the wrong crowd and they do bad things and even if I do not do the bad things, but am there with them, it is just as bad and I will get in just as much trouble when they get caught. Our laws in our legal system work that way. If you are involved in a crime in anyway, you to receive some form of punishment... And this is why SK is warning of a possible falling away. |
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Post by cwood85 on Feb 3, 2018 23:31:10 GMT -6
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Post by cwood85 on Feb 3, 2018 23:23:02 GMT -6
Hi all, it's been a while since I have posted here on the board and thought I would start here. I would like to summarize my personal understanding so far of The Kingdom of God thread that SK wrote. barbiosheepgirl has been doing so much research on all of this and what she has found is pretty amazing. A question and statement was made if God would pick a specific religion to judge? I think what it really comes down to is the action that will cause the judgment as a collective group of people, no matter what religion or race/genealogy is for that matter. So those who practice Judaism for example, are doing everything in their power to build a third temple and start sacrifices. Judaism to the best of my knowledge rejects the work that Jesus did on the cross, and are still waiting for their version of the Messiah to come and save them and be a King to them. Christianity as a collective group is supporting this to happen. Does God know who within the collective group of Christianity does not support this, yes He does. I do not think it is judgement against a religion, race, or genealogy, but the group of people supporting and committing the act. That is what I took from SK's studying. I feel we have missed a major duh over the last couple thousand years of Christianity. All through the NT the apostles, mainly Paul, where doing everything they could to get the Jews and Gentiles to realize what Christ achieved on the cross and eradicated the need for being circumcised and trying to be righteous under the law. The point was no one could follow the law and we needed a savior. And now we are going in with fund raising, donations, mission trips, DNA research to find the lineage of the Levites (spelling?), trained High Priest to perform sacrifices to FORGIVE THEIR SINS and usher in the Messiah under the law again... Their version of the Messiah that is, or a different god. We have completely flipped around backwards and are doing exactly what Paul and the other apostles were telling everyone and died brutal deaths for everyone not to do their own works but to believe in what Jesus did for us. By continuing to follow the law adn sacrificing for forgiveness and atonement makes what Jesus did on the cross worthless. The collective group of Christianity and majority of Israel have romanticized the idea of a third temple... instead of being a Paul and telling everyone hey we don't need to do this because Jesus did it ALL, we basically have been deceived, fallen in love with the temple events, and follow along just as blind as the Jewish people who still reject what Jesus did on the cross. I have Hebrew/Jewish lineage and had ancestors who died in the holocaust, I was not offended by what SK was presenting in regards to modern Israel as being something against a Jewish person. He was not doing that. He was stating this: in the act of still rejecting the work Jesus did on the cross, going back to the law, following the law, sacrificing to forgive sins when that happened 2000 years ago and that as a majority Christians who are supporting the efforts to achieve this. That was my take on his studies. I am still seeking this out, researching, and praying. We all should do that. EDIT: I forgot one thing and this is a Paul move, Instead of putting in all this effort, money, and energy into rebuilding a temple, what we Christians should be doing is SHARING & PREACHING THE GOSPEL TO THEM. |
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Post by cwood85 on Jan 19, 2018 10:30:07 GMT -6
Here are the answers to your questions mike: Cwood a few questions for you then since you've been appointed spokesperson < No one appointed me to anything nor asked me to say anything. - are all aware of the detailed circumstances that happened? < I would say for the most part yes as far as I know. Who are those who are on the "bandwagon"? (Not asking to name names). < Not sure who you are referring to in this bandwagon?What is your (collectively) suggestion as how things should be posted publicly? I am not suggesting this will happen, I am asking that you are saying there is a problem, please also present a viable solution to the perceived problem so it could at the very least be considered. In addition please define the problem? In other words, what do you see (or think you see) that we (moderators) dont see?
< I didn't ask to get the messages I have gotten from people, so these are their words, not mine. I have just noticed how many leave, seemingly on a whim, and then after posting this thread I get messages like these:
"All of that just to say... everything you posted to the moderators... thank you for speaking up. I see and have seen (since after September 23 of 2017); bad behavior time and time again, and this place became kind of like a "social club" where one is "in" or one is "out". There is a "group" in charge, including mods, and the members they like. And this group clearly runs things, and IMO they gang up and attack members that they either don't like or have a problem with. This kind of thing, I avoid and it is why I don't go to any brick and mortar church regularly."
"I don't know if you remember me or not. I was here on the forum a lot over the summer and even into the fall; haven't signed in since October (though I do come and view some of the threads and read from time to time). I really miss this place, the place that it WAS (before all the moderator "power trips", excessive "moderating" and "controlling"... just one example, only being able to post something that the moderators deem to be relevant to the topic of whatever thread is being posted under). It all just got to be too too much."
There are more that I have been sent like this^^^^ You guys don't have to believe me, doesn't matter to me. Pretty clear however. Hope that answers your question Mike.
Since this is "open forum" please ask the group if the recent situations including folks like Davidjayjordan and/or DennisWatson were handled according to your "sheriff with the only gun" or how your process wouldve been applied in those given situations, which were both vastly different. Help us to serve you better please. <That's actually pretty easy since both pretty much walked themselves out the door with very clear rule breaking. One was calling names and the other claiming the Holy Spirit is female...kjs Your answers are next: Cwood85: You are not being very helpful... < Neither are you. You indicate that it is not just you but several other people -- but you fail to identify specifically what you and all these people are upset about. < Please see above.Was there a moderator discussion about SK -- Yes, a member raised a question about some of his teachings and we did discuss whether it did or did not break one of the rules. That is part of our jobs -- determine if the rules are followed. This done as a discussion since we are human beings and we do not all agree if there is/was a violation. Should these discussion be made public -- NO, this forum already has the rules established (as already laid out) -- if the moderators feel a rule was broken -- we reach out to the person - usually through PM to consider revising their post. If that fails, than the post is locked. Once in awhile, banning a member is discussed -- as an extreme measure. Neither of these discussion warrant a public "airing". < Wasn't talking about that, I am talking about question posed about the threads, like doctrinal questions, educational questions, thing's that would be helpful for others to see. Clearly discussing members who have violated the rules is non of the forums business. Never said anything about disciplinary discussions. You are also putting words and context into things that I AM NOT SAYING. Sometimes, no decision is reached among the moderators and the issue is raised to the administrators -- again -- there is no need making this event public. < Never said it should be.This particular event with SK -- made SK decide to delete his account -- for his own reasons. < Yes I know that, have all along. It appears he shared his reasons with you and a few others -- giving you ONE Side of the story -- < My information is not one sided, and not just from SK. Those who have heard other sides of the story, not just from SK are very upset with how things were handled as well. but rather than ask us (the moderators) for our side of the story -- you immediately jump to the conclusion that we are being "High Handed" and making absolute decisions on what is acceptable and threatening to ban someone. SK was not banned. SK was not even threaten with being LOCKED. < Never said anything about that being done either. So again what is the issue -- is it simply because you are not a moderator and do not take part of all discussions? < Clearly stated above that I do not want to be a moderator nor take on the responsibility. I do appreciate what you guys do, I know it is not easy. |
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Post by cwood85 on Jan 18, 2018 13:43:09 GMT -6
I am going to respond later this evening when I have more time to read, collect my thoughts and comment more thoroughly. Trying to do this in between doing other things is not working well.
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Post by cwood85 on Jan 18, 2018 11:16:52 GMT -6
"Apparently, this whole event has upset you.... but now you are taking things out of context and applying them to different things." kjs this hasn't just upset me, but many. I am just currently the only being publicly vocal about it. I am being messaged from people who have not posted in months regarding my questions asked above as they feel similar. I guess what I am saying is there should be a process that needs to be followed that is publicly posted for all to see. Right now for many we are the towns people and the viewpoint regarding the moderators (not all and this is not solely my opinion at all) the sheriff and the only one with a gun... I have said all that I feel I should and probably more and offended some. I am sorry for anyone that is offended or upset by my post. Problems however are not known until they are pointed out. The is a mutual feeling among many, not just myself. |
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Post by cwood85 on Jan 18, 2018 9:48:46 GMT -6
boraddict - Post Script: "you guys get in your moderator meetings," This was not meant in a derogatory sense, it really was not. What I mean is some things, like questions about teachings, could be made more public as anonymously and some things when they reach a certain level, should be presented to Gary. I know he is busy, but I fell maybe some situations should be presented to himbefore final decisions/actions are made. I also see Natalie stated they do takes these things to Gary. Edit: I also want to add I do not disrespect the Moderators here and appreciate what they do. It is most of the time a thankless job and having many such jobs myself, it is not easy. I also have stated above and will clarify for kjs know SK was not made or asked to leave and he did so on his own accord.
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Post by cwood85 on Jan 18, 2018 8:42:35 GMT -6
"His teachings were questioned both in the threads and privately. i'm not sure if you are aware but we log about 500 guests each and every day. I have several e-mails to Jim advising him that I will be asking questions, sometimes for myself, sometimes for others as guests and other members who "lurk" may not. I see that as a 'role' I must fulfill. Sometimes people just dont speak up, I understand that. If you go through some of the threads you will see those questions asked. Some of the responses I did not agree with but in an effort to allow the teaching to continue I relented as did others (moderators included)." mike I am very aware of how many people are coming through here daily. But he was given the go to present these teachings by the moderators. So I can see why he felt a bit offended. He asked for permission. I think WE THE FORUM should be shown what parts were being questioned. We're there other viewpoints/answers given? This actually could have been very educational. You guys are being compared to the Pharisees and with all the behind the scenes stuff going on, it sure seems that way sometimes to many on here. I am not saying that is what is going on, but to many (not SK, he doesn't know I am doing any of this) you guys get in your moderator meetings about things such as questions and teachings being presented, when maybe more of a majority opinion or viewpoint is required. Do you see what I am saying? |
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