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Post by yardstick on Sept 26, 2017 15:24:14 GMT -6
This first one is based on Hebcal.
The second is using Torahcalendar data
Grayed out means its already past.
These are basic calendars, and may be off by as many as 10 days or more.
EDIT: Disregard the +adar column, since it is already included in the 1290 column. I double-counted by mistake. The - adar column assumes that the 1335 days (+45 days) is hypothetically included prior to the second coming. That includes a scenario where the extra 45 days occurs either before the 1290 or before the 1260, but not after the 1290. Also... These calendars do not represent a harpazo date. They represent a 'confirming the covenant' date. The harpazo must occur prior to the dates in yellow for the timeline to be valid. |
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Post by thetimeoftheend on Sept 26, 2017 15:31:19 GMT -6
This first one is based on Hebcal.
View Attachment
The second is using Torahcalendar data
View Attachment
Grayed out means its already past.
These are basic calendars, and may be off by as many as 10 days or more.
Help me out, it looks like we are counting backwards, based on the 1260, and the 1290, which I get, but my brain is being a little remedial. Can you provide some context? It may also be helpful to any newcomers. |
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Post by yardstick on Sept 26, 2017 15:33:21 GMT -6
Yes. this counts backwards from a hypothetical Second Coming date on one of the three unfulfilled feast dates in 2024. I will clarify in the next post.
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Post by yardstick on Sept 26, 2017 15:35:41 GMT -6
Ok. For the 2nd coming to occur on a fall feast day in 2024, the last possible date should be, according to the two calendars noted above, Sukkot. Also possible are Yom Kippur in 2024 and Rosh Hashana in 2024.
So counting backwards from those dates 1260 days to mid-trib and 1290 more to the 'confirming of the covenant', which can only occur if the harpazo has taken place
So for a 'covenant' date in 2017 resulting in one of the three Second Coming possibilities in 2024, means that the 'covenant' must occur no later than 10/30 in hebcal or 10/28 in Torahcal. That means the harpazo (for pre-trib) must occur prior to
1. 10/30 or 10/28 for a Sukkot 2024 2nd coming
2. 10/17 or 10/19 for Yom Kippur 2024 2nd coming
3. 10/7 to 10/11 for a Rosh Hashana 2024 2nd coming
This assumes there are not 'adjustments' needed in the calendar between now and 10/23/2024. There could very well be as many as 10+ days adjustment needed. That adjustment may include, but is not limited to: A window of time between the harpazo and the 'confirming of the covenant with many'.
So, yeah, if any of these three potential timelines are even remotely accurate, we are really really close.
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Post by thetimeoftheend on Sept 26, 2017 15:46:08 GMT -6
Got it, thank you for the explanation. So for Christ to fulfill The Feast of the Trumpets with His Second Coming, which makes sense as the feasts are for the Jews, we would be looking for a rapture no later than 10/11/17 in this scenario. Of course this course this is all predicated on 2017 being the year (which I happen to think is a great candidate for a whole host of reasons). But is that a correct reading of your table? (Not necessarily saying you agree with the conclusion I've drawn)
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Post by yardstick on Sept 26, 2017 15:47:55 GMT -6
Got it, thank you for the explanation. So for Christ to fulfill The Feast of the Trumpets with His Second Coming, which makes sense as the feasts are for the Jews, we would be looking for a rapture no later than 10/11/17 in this scenario. Of course this course this is all predicated on 2017 being the year (which I happen to think is a great candidate for a whole host of reasons). But is that a correct reading of your table? (Not necessarily saying you agree with the conclusion I've drawn) Yes, there are a number of assusmptions that must be true for any of these (or any other) timelines to be accurate.
I pulled the dates in the column to the left of the 1260 column right from the hebcal and torahcal sites. Please check my work and correct me if I have made a data or calculation error.
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Post by thetimeoftheend on Sept 26, 2017 15:48:12 GMT -6
It looks like you replied as I was typing mine! Looks like we are on the same page. Thanks again for the insight brother.
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Post by Natalie on Sept 26, 2017 16:43:22 GMT -6
Thanks, yardstick, for the work! With those thoughts in mind, and all that's going on in the world, we can definitely see that we are so very close!
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Post by MissusMack08 on Sept 26, 2017 16:46:21 GMT -6
This first one is based on Hebcal.
The second is using Torahcalendar data
Grayed out means its already past.
These are basic calendars, and may be off by as many as 10 days or more.
EDIT: Disregard the +adar column, since it is already included in the 1290 column. I double-counted by mistake. The - adar column assumes that the 1335 days (+45 days) is hypothetically included prior to the second coming. That includes a scenario where the extra 45 days occurs either before the 1290 or before the 1260, but not after the 1290. Also... These calendars do not represent a harpazo date. They represent a 'confirming the covenant' date. The harpazo must occur prior to the dates in yellow for the timeline to be valid. Nice job working this out, yardstick ! I had to read through the torahcalendar website to see how they determine their dates. I would tend to go with that method since it's more biblical (perhaps as biblical as we can get it). I haven't messed around with the site, but can they look ahead and know which years will get leap months based on their spring equinox method (within a decent margin of error)? the 10/7/2017 date (with Jesus returning on Rosh Hashana) stuck out to me just because I know the moon will be full on the 5th, and there's always that thought that what if "the sun will be darkened and the moon turned to blood before the great and terrible Day of the Lord" might actually refer to an solar and lunar eclipse occurring at the same time (meaning, eclipsed by something else) and the moon would have to be full for that to occur. (And it's during Succoth). One thing i realized after I said it in the other thread, that maybe God would cause the earth to speed back up in its orbit around the sun to a 360 day year when the Day of the Lord commences, is that, if that is the case, why would there be a leap month in the 7 years?? So, maybe I debunked myself, lol. Edit: Maybe the sun and moon will be veiled by volcanic ash... |
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Post by yardstick on Sept 26, 2017 20:57:41 GMT -6
This first one is based on Hebcal.
The second is using Torahcalendar data
Grayed out means its already past.
These are basic calendars, and may be off by as many as 10 days or more.
EDIT: Disregard the +adar column, since it is already included in the 1290 column. I double-counted by mistake. The - adar column assumes that the 1335 days (+45 days) is hypothetically included prior to the second coming. That includes a scenario where the extra 45 days occurs either before the 1290 or before the 1260, but not after the 1290. Also... These calendars do not represent a harpazo date. They represent a 'confirming the covenant' date. The harpazo must occur prior to the dates in yellow for the timeline to be valid. Nice job working this out, yardstick ! I had to read through the torahcalendar website to see how they determine their dates. I would tend to go with that method since it's more biblical (perhaps as biblical as we can get it). I haven't messed around with the site, but can they look ahead and know which years will get leap months based on their spring equinox method (within a decent margin of error)? the 10/7/2017 date (with Jesus returning on Rosh Hashana) stuck out to me just because I know the moon will be full on the 5th, and there's always that thought that what if "the sun will be darkened and the moon turned to blood before the great and terrible Day of the Lord" might actually refer to an solar and lunar eclipse occurring at the same time (meaning, eclipsed by something else) and the moon would have to be full for that to occur. (And it's during Succoth). One thing i realized after I said it in the other thread, that maybe God would cause the earth to speed back up in its orbit around the sun to a 360 day year when the Day of the Lord commences, is that, if that is the case, why would there be a leap month in the 7 years?? So, maybe I debunked myself, lol. Edit: Maybe the sun and moon will be veiled by volcanic ash... There is also the eclipse on 4/8/2024, which does occurs "before the great and terrible day..." It might be possible to find a naturally occurring eclipse over Jerusalem or the middle east using Stellarium. Alternately, we know that the forest fires in the west are having a profound effect on the appearance of the moon. It may be possible that there could be so much cloud cover from 'fallout' in the air, that the sun literally is darkened. |
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Post by disciple4life on Sept 27, 2017 2:03:40 GMT -6
Got it, thank you for the explanation. So for Christ to fulfill The Feast of the Trumpets with His Second Coming, which makes sense as the feasts are for the Jews, we would be looking for a rapture no later than 10/11/17 in this scenario. Of course this course this is all predicated on 2017 being the year (which I happen to think is a great candidate for a whole host of reasons). But is that a correct reading of your table? (Not necessarily saying you agree with the conclusion I've drawn) Hello Timeoftheend,
The notion that the 'moadim' - appointed times are for the Jews is a false teaching which is perpetuated by many churches and teachers, but the reality is that we can see that the Feasts are inseparably linked to the Messiah. ;-) Also in Zechariah, it explicitly states in black and white that all nations - Jews and Gentiles will celebrate Feast of Booths / Sukkot. ;-) Also, Passover was for all mankind, and I'm sure you would agree that Christ's death on the Cross at the exact time the lambs were slaughtered on Passover paid the penalty for you and me, and everyone who repents and confesses Christ. Not for the Jews, only. Also, we see the same thing - only highlighted and underlined with Pentecost - that was the conception of the church - which was originally 100% Jewish, and now is overwhelmingly Gentile.
;-) Just some thoughts to consider.
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Post by yardstick on Sept 27, 2017 8:58:18 GMT -6
Got it, thank you for the explanation. So for Christ to fulfill The Feast of the Trumpets with His Second Coming, which makes sense as the feasts are for the Jews, we would be looking for a rapture no later than 10/11/17 in this scenario. Of course this course this is all predicated on 2017 being the year (which I happen to think is a great candidate for a whole host of reasons). But is that a correct reading of your table? (Not necessarily saying you agree with the conclusion I've drawn) Hello Timeoftheend,
The notion that the 'moadim' - appointed times are for the Jews is a false teaching which is perpetuated by many churches and teachers, but the reality is that we can see that the Feasts are inseparably linked to the Messiah. ;-) Also in Zechariah, it explicitly states in black and white that all nations - Jews and Gentiles will celebrate Feast of Booths / Sukkot. ;-) Also, Passover was for all mankind, and I'm sure you would agree that Christ's death on the Cross at the exact time the lambs were slaughtered on Passover paid the penalty for you and me, and everyone who repents and confesses Christ. Not for the Jews, only. Also, we see the same thing - only highlighted and underlined with Pentecost - that was the conception of the church - which was originally 100% Jewish, and now is overwhelmingly Gentile.
;-) Just some thoughts to consider.
I would like to make clear that my analysis has to do with the jewish feast days explicitly, not any specific 'appointed time' as I understand D4L to have exlained above. Genesis 1:14 plainly says that 'appointed times' are shown in the sun, moon and stars. Since every human on this planet can see those celestial objects, it follows reasonably that 'appointed times' are for everyone, regardless of an established 'feast day'.
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Post by yardstick on Sept 27, 2017 9:06:16 GMT -6
Uploaded is a copy of the spreadsheet in XLSX format for anyone who wants to play around with it.
You will need to download it to open it.
Also, if anyone wants an copy for use with an older version of excel or open office, please let me know and I will add it here.
Attachments:Book1.xlsx (14.21 KB)
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2017 9:10:04 GMT -6
Just wanted to say that I am an awe of people like Yardstick who are obviously so mathmatically and logically inclined. I really enjoy your posts and you approach, keep up the interesting work brother.
PS..can I hire you to be my math tutor? 😀
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Post by yardstick on Sept 27, 2017 9:16:02 GMT -6
Just wanted to say that I am an awe of people like Yardstick who are obviously so mathmatically and logically inclined. I really enjoy your posts and you approach, keep up the interesting work brother. PS.. can I hire you to be my math tutor? 😀 Thank you for the kind words.
Yes, I have tutored math up to 4th course in calculus, for about a year and a half.
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