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Post by henrym on Sept 26, 2017 13:29:49 GMT -6
One specific event happened on 24th with possible significance that many seem to be missing.
I also missed it at first, but later I thought it might be a big deal.
It's about a mass shooting in a church on September 24th.
It happened in Antioch, Tennessee.
What is Antioch? It's a name of a town where people were first called Christians. In fact, first time word Christian is mentioned in the Bible is regarding Antioch, in Acts 11:26: "For a whole year Barnabas and Saul met with the church and taught great numbers of people. The disciples were called Christians first at Antioch."
Now, although many consider that Christian church was born on Pentecost, that's traditional interpretation and not something that Bible says. On the other hand, Bible explicitly says that first people who where called Christians were people from Antioch who where following Paul's teaching, who was ministering there for a year. It can be argued that Christianity not only started with Paul, but with Paul in Antioch.
Anyway, there was a town, Antioch, where people were first called Christians (Acts 11:26).
And now, during the exact hours when end of days sign was up in the sky, some 2000 years after, a Christian is murdered in a mass shooting in a church in Antioch.
What are the odds? Christians were first becoming alive in Christ in Antioch, and then two millennia later, on the exact day of the sign signaling end times, a Christian is murdered in a church in Antioch, out of all the places in the world.
An issue in our age is that most Christians don't believe what Bible teaches about predestination, so people don't accept that nothing happens without God allowing it. And that not a thing can happen if God doesn't decree it to happen.
But that's what Bible reveals rather clearly, as I see it, and this mass shooting and murder of a Christian in Antioch during the Revelation 12 sign looks like God's statement that chapter on Christians is being closed. It started in a church in Antioch, as evidenced by God's word, and now a murder of a Christian, precisely on a prophetic day two millennia later, in a church in Antioch, could be signaling the end of it.
As if a place called Antioch functions like a parentheses for God's Christian narrative, and now the parentheses is being officialy proclaimed closed.
Maybe to be clear, I am not saying that God directly ordered a Christian to be murdered, but that God allowed this event to happen, and He made it, somehow, to happen in Antioch during the Revelation 12 sign. Just like God won't directly order tribulation saints to be murdered, but He will allow it to happen. Again, nothing happens without God allowing it, according to His plan and purpose.
So I think it's highly probable that prophetic sign in the sky was directly connected with this unexpected, unique and under-the-prophecy-radar event on earth. And that the message is: "Christian age is being pronounced over." Consequently, that's in line with pretribulation rapture, which would put definite end to Christianity and Christian age, after which new dispensation and end of days can fully take over.
Assuming this is really the announcement, as it looks like it is, I'm wondering what's the timeline before it gets effective. Is it days from now? Or is it after some longer period?
P.S. Going deeper into the news about the shooting reveals additional, even over the top, symbolism. Victim was from Smyrna, Tennessee. Smyrna, of course, is a town addressed in one of the letters to the churches in Revelation. Shooter's name is Emanuel Samson. Emanuel was Old Testament name or title of sorts for Jesus as the Messiah, meaning "God is with us", while Samson was last judge in the book of Judges, and one of the Biblical characters who preceded setting up of Israeli monarchy. And the name of the usher who finally overpowered the shooter is Caleb Engle. Caleb from the tribe of Judah lived during Israeli wanderings in the desert and is quite written about in Moses' books in Old Testament, while word Engle when spoken sounds like angel. Fits nicely with mr. Engle being a hero for stopping the shooter. Piled-up symbolism gets to the point of almost being weird. But main connection stands.
P.P.S. For those who are investigating possible psy-ops - this shooting could be a psy-op, a false flag orchestrated event. I don't know. But it would still be a news that went around the world. If God didn't want it to happen, at the time it happened, as either a real or a false flag event, He wouldn't allow it either way. So it's still a bookend event completing an encompassing arch on Christianity from one Antioch to the other.
Was Christian age officially pronounced over on 24th of September?
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Post by whatif on Sept 26, 2017 13:57:08 GMT -6
Hi, henrym! If you are the same henrym who was a member here not too long ago, welcome back! And if you are not the same henrym but a new member, welcome to the forum! You pose some interesting questions!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2017 15:54:41 GMT -6
Wow - that is interesting! Also interesting is how it got so overshadowed by the "take a knee" movement.
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Post by hillary on Sept 26, 2017 18:52:20 GMT -6
@henrym Wow....what a thought! And welcome back!
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Post by anonymouse on Sept 26, 2017 19:07:25 GMT -6
One specific event happened on 24th with possible significance that many seem to be missing. I also missed it at first, but later I thought it might be a big deal. It's about a mass shooting in a church on September 24th. It happened in Antioch, Tennessee. What is Antioch? It's a name of a town where people were first called Christians. In fact, first time word Christian is mentioned in the Bible is regarding Antioch, in Acts 11:26: "For a whole year Barnabas and Saul met with the church and taught great numbers of people. The disciples were called Christians first at Antioch." Now, although many consider that Christian church was born on Pentecost, that's traditional interpretation and not something that Bible says. On the other hand, Bible explicitly says that first people who where called Christians were people from Antioch who where following Paul's teaching, who was ministering there for a year. It can be argued that Christianity not only started with Paul, but with Paul in Antioch. Anyway, there was a town, Antioch, where people were first called Christians (Acts 11:26). And now, during the exact hours when end of days sign was up in the sky, some 2000 years after, a Christian is murdered in a mass shooting in a church in Antioch. What are the odds? Christians were first becoming alive in Christ in Antioch, and then two millennia later, on the exact day of the sign signaling end times, a Christian is murdered in a church in Antioch, out of all the places in the world. An issue in our age is that most Christians don't believe what Bible teaches about predestination, so people don't accept that nothing happens without God allowing it. And that not a thing can happen if God doesn't decree it to happen. But that's what Bible reveals rather clearly, as I see it, and this mass shooting and murder of a Christian in Antioch during the Revelation 12 sign looks like God's statement that chapter on Christians is being closed. It started in a church in Antioch, as evidenced by God's word, and now a murder of a Christian, precisely on a prophetic day two millennia later, in a church in Antioch, could be signaling the end of it. As if a place called Antioch functions like a parentheses for God's Christian narrative, and now the parentheses is being officialy proclaimed closed. Maybe to be clear, I am not saying that God directly ordered a Christian to be murdered, but that God allowed this event to happen, and He made it, somehow, to happen in Antioch during the Revelation 12 sign. Just like God won't directly order tribulation saints to be murdered, but He will allow it to happen. Again, nothing happens without God allowing it, according to His plan and purpose. So I think it's highly probable that prophetic sign in the sky was directly connected with this unexpected, unique and under-the-prophecy-radar event on earth. And that the message is: "Christian age is being pronounced over." Consequently, that's in line with pretribulation rapture, which would put definite end to Christianity and Christian age, after which new dispensation and end of days can fully take over. Assuming this is really the announcement, as it looks like it is, I'm wondering what's the timeline before it gets effective. Is it days from now? Or is it after some longer period? P.S. Going deeper into the news about the shooting reveals additional, even over the top, symbolism. Victim was from Smyrna, Tennessee. Smyrna, of course, is a town addressed in one of the letters to the churches in Revelation. Shooter's name is Emanuel Samson. Emanuel was Old Testament name or title of sorts for Jesus as the Messiah, meaning "God is with us", while Samson was last judge in the book of Judges, and one of the Biblical characters who preceded setting up of Israeli monarchy. And the name of the usher who finally overpowered the shooter is Caleb Engle. Caleb from the tribe of Judah lived during Israeli wanderings in the desert and is quite written about in Moses' books in Old Testament, while word Engle when spoken sounds like angel. Fits nicely with mr. Engle being a hero for stopping the shooter. Piled-up symbolism gets to the point of almost being weird. But main connection stands. P.P.S. For those who are investigating possible psy-ops - this shooting could be a psy-op, a false flag orchestrated event. I don't know. But it would still be a news that went around the world. If God didn't want it to happen, at the time it happened, as either a real or a false flag event, He wouldn't allow it either way. So it's still a bookend event completing an encompassing arch on Christianity from one Antioch to the other. Was Christian age officially pronounced over on 24th of September? Interesting thought my friend! |
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Post by yardstick on Sept 26, 2017 23:04:35 GMT -6
One specific event happened on 24th with possible significance that many seem to be missing. I also missed it at first, but later I thought it might be a big deal. It's about a mass shooting in a church on September 24th. It happened in Antioch, Tennessee. What is Antioch? It's a name of a town where people were first called Christians. In fact, first time word Christian is mentioned in the Bible is regarding Antioch, in Acts 11:26: "For a whole year Barnabas and Saul met with the church and taught great numbers of people. The disciples were called Christians first at Antioch." Now, although many consider that Christian church was born on Pentecost, that's traditional interpretation and not something that Bible says. On the other hand, Bible explicitly says that first people who where called Christians were people from Antioch who where following Paul's teaching, who was ministering there for a year. It can be argued that Christianity not only started with Paul, but with Paul in Antioch. Anyway, there was a town, Antioch, where people were first called Christians (Acts 11:26). And now, during the exact hours when end of days sign was up in the sky, some 2000 years after, a Christian is murdered in a mass shooting in a church in Antioch. What are the odds? Christians were first becoming alive in Christ in Antioch, and then two millennia later, on the exact day of the sign signaling end times, a Christian is murdered in a church in Antioch, out of all the places in the world. An issue in our age is that most Christians don't believe what Bible teaches about predestination, so people don't accept that nothing happens without God allowing it. And that not a thing can happen if God doesn't decree it to happen. But that's what Bible reveals rather clearly, as I see it, and this mass shooting and murder of a Christian in Antioch during the Revelation 12 sign looks like God's statement that chapter on Christians is being closed. It started in a church in Antioch, as evidenced by God's word, and now a murder of a Christian, precisely on a prophetic day two millennia later, in a church in Antioch, could be signaling the end of it. As if a place called Antioch functions like a parentheses for God's Christian narrative, and now the parentheses is being officialy proclaimed closed. Maybe to be clear, I am not saying that God directly ordered a Christian to be murdered, but that God allowed this event to happen, and He made it, somehow, to happen in Antioch during the Revelation 12 sign. Just like God won't directly order tribulation saints to be murdered, but He will allow it to happen. Again, nothing happens without God allowing it, according to His plan and purpose. So I think it's highly probable that prophetic sign in the sky was directly connected with this unexpected, unique and under-the-prophecy-radar event on earth. And that the message is: "Christian age is being pronounced over." Consequently, that's in line with pretribulation rapture, which would put definite end to Christianity and Christian age, after which new dispensation and end of days can fully take over. Assuming this is really the announcement, as it looks like it is, I'm wondering what's the timeline before it gets effective. Is it days from now? Or is it after some longer period? P.S. Going deeper into the news about the shooting reveals additional, even over the top, symbolism. Victim was from Smyrna, Tennessee. Smyrna, of course, is a town addressed in one of the letters to the churches in Revelation. Shooter's name is Emanuel Samson. Emanuel was Old Testament name or title of sorts for Jesus as the Messiah, meaning "God is with us", while Samson was last judge in the book of Judges, and one of the Biblical characters who preceded setting up of Israeli monarchy. And the name of the usher who finally overpowered the shooter is Caleb Engle. Caleb from the tribe of Judah lived during Israeli wanderings in the desert and is quite written about in Moses' books in Old Testament, while word Engle when spoken sounds like angel. Fits nicely with mr. Engle being a hero for stopping the shooter. Piled-up symbolism gets to the point of almost being weird. But main connection stands. P.P.S. For those who are investigating possible psy-ops - this shooting could be a psy-op, a false flag orchestrated event. I don't know. But it would still be a news that went around the world. If God didn't want it to happen, at the time it happened, as either a real or a false flag event, He wouldn't allow it either way. So it's still a bookend event completing an encompassing arch on Christianity from one Antioch to the other. Was Christian age officially pronounced over on 24th of September? This is an intriguing hypothesis. Without taking anything away from it, please allow me to offer a parallel hypothesis: God doesn't do murder. Therefore, this is Satan mocking christians. Remember that he knows his time is short. He is sending a message. I am sure you can see what it is (what the dragon in Rev 12:3-4 is attempting to do). |
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Post by watchmanjim on Sept 27, 2017 0:25:34 GMT -6
Henry, you bring up some interesting thoughts.
1. The symbolism in the names is unmistakable. Antioch of course has the significance of being the place where the term "Christian" was coined, as well as being an important city in church history.
2. Smyrna Tennessee is where the Blue Angels lost their jet last year (6-2-2016) on the same day the Thunderbirds lost a jet over Colorado. I noticed the Smyrna at the time. The names of the churches are popping up everywhere. At my work, I saw some packages mailed in from an address somewhere on "Sardis Road" in another state. You can read more about the Blue Angels and Thunderbird crash in the Aircraft Coincidences thread.
3. I politely disagree with the church beginning in Antioch, or Christianity beginning there. The church began at Jerusalem. It was only at Antioch that the term "Christians" was first used by people taunting the disciples of Christ. Today we are in essence no different from the 100+ disciples of Christ who began the church in Jerusalem. The name is just a nomenclature and we should remember that every one of us who knows Christ and is known of Him (the saved people) should be His disciple. (We could discuss whether all saved followers of Christ are truly disciples are not. I say they are). Paul did not begin the church, and there is no substantive difference between the church that began at Pentecost and the churches and church age that resulted as Paul began to minister and evangelize. True the church did not begin to reach out to gentiles in a very big way until Paul came around, but that was a natural branch-out and actually began with Peter. The reaching out to the gentiles was commanded by Christ's great commission, and was prophesied in great detail in Isaiah and elsewhere, and the OT example to go to the gentiles was actually seen with Jonah and Nahum, missionary prophets to Assyria.
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Post by henrym on Sept 27, 2017 11:41:23 GMT -6
Thanks for welcoming me back. Up to some time ago I was part of a Christian forum which is mostly about debating and arguing, and when I registered here I was expecting I'll avoid debating, which I have done my share and don't feel the need for at this time. But it seems you can't avoid debating if you see predestination all over the Bible, for starters. So I unregistered.
I came back to share this connection about Antioch, but I probably won't write a lot. Hopefully we won't be here for long.
Anyway, it's great that this connection made the impression on others too.
I agree with yardstick that the shooting was satan's doing. But that was just a delivery mechanism. Everything, ultimately, is done for God's plan and puprose to be fulfilled, in accordance to His will. Jesus' crucifixion was executed by satan-lead people on earth for utmost evil, yet it was all under God's will on Heaven for supreme good (Mark 14:36, Acts 4:26-28, 1 Corinthians 15:1-4).
If the murder in a church in Antioch, which was a worldwide news, was any day other than on 23rd or 24th of September, it would be a different story and we would have an array of possible interpretations, most of which would not seem to be too significant.
But it happened exactly while the end days Revelation 12 sign was in the sky. The sign which was 2000 years in the making. This connection was deliberate, as I see it, and I don't believe that it could in any way happen outside of God's will, direction and purpose.
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Post by MissusMack08 on Sept 27, 2017 20:11:28 GMT -6
@henrym, very interesting connection! On Sunday (the 24th) in my church bible study, we were talking about Antioch being the first place where "Christian" was coined. So this really stuck out to me in reading your post.
Not to cause debate or anything, but rather to encourage constructive and peaceful dialogue (especially for you, since it sounds like you're weary of debating), when you share your views maybe you could use terms like "God's will" or "God's plan" instead of "predestination" because "predestination" can be a stumbling block for many (hence the need to debate it constantly) because a particular belief system has taken the word and defined it based on their beliefs (much like the phrases "born-again" or "filled with the Holy Ghost). Depending on what belief system you subscribe to, those phrases may mean different things and that can cause confusion and debate. Whether people agree with "predestination" or not, I think we can ALL agree that God is outside of time, that God knows the end from the beginning, and that God has a perfect plan and will that will be completed. So, why don't we avoid the debate altogether by avoiding the use of potentially provocative words or phrases?
We would love for you to feel like you can share your views without being attacked or debated (if you do not wish to be). Please, don't stop sharing, but do consider what I have said. So we can all fellowship in harmony and let "iron sharpen iron."
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Post by whatif on Sept 28, 2017 13:52:06 GMT -6
Hi guys: please keep the discussion calm -- no personal attacks. I second kjs' words! Looks like things were starting to get out of hand there for a little while... I would also like to call us back to the original theme of this thread, which is the shooting in Antioch. If anyone wishes to continue discussing the topic of predestination/free will, please head to the thread henrym provided the link for, which is unsealed.boards.net/thread/365/end-time-prophecy-free
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Post by whatif on Sept 29, 2017 9:50:11 GMT -6
I've moved many of the posts here over to the linked thread above, in case anyone is looking for them.
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