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Post by bleever on Sept 19, 2017 14:35:06 GMT -6
I uploaded a video I made to spread the word about the sign. I expected atheists to come out of the woodwork, but instead, it's Christians. Should I be surprised about this?
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Post by anonymouse on Sept 19, 2017 15:18:43 GMT -6
I uploaded a video I made to spread the word about the sign. I expected atheists to come out of the woodwork, but instead, it's Christians. Should I be surprised about this? could you share the video with us? |
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Post by thetimeoftheend on Sept 19, 2017 15:27:11 GMT -6
Don't feel discouraged. I watched your video from (I saw the link on another post) and thought it was fantastic. Many Christians do not understand prophecy, because it's complicated and full of fearful imagery. A lot of their understand doesn't extend beyond "no man knows the day or hour." So they attack what they don't understand. Those who do have an understanding of prophecy are challenged by the sign. I know I have had my ideas challenged, I've had to reflect and have gained incredible insight into God's word. A lot of people aren't open to that. You're challenging their firmly held beliefs. It's not right, but unfortunately, I think it is to be expected. Just pray, know that you are God's work. We will all find out of the critcism has any basis in reality very soon, though, I believe God is speaking very loudly.
Once again, for what it's worth, great job on the video.
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Post by bleever on Sept 19, 2017 16:30:53 GMT -6
Thanks you guys. We face staunch opposition, but that's what God calls us to isn't it...
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Post by Rick on Sept 20, 2017 14:48:38 GMT -6
I uploaded a video I made to spread the word about the sign. I expected atheists to come out of the woodwork, but instead, it's Christians. Should I be surprised about this? Hey bleever, maybe it should have the opposite affect on you, maybe you should feel honored that scoffers would attack you because they somehow feel intimidated by you. Keep up the good work man. God Bless~ |
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Post by disciple4life on Sept 23, 2017 5:42:04 GMT -6
I uploaded a video I made to spread the word about the sign. I expected atheists to come out of the woodwork, but instead, it's Christians. Should I be surprised about this? Hey Bleever, Welcome to the forum. So glad to have you here, man. Some background and some perspective - hope it encourages you. I grew up in a super strict, legalistic fundamentalist church - they endlessly parrot "No one knows the day or hour" and their world view extremely narrow, and nonporous. I started really studying the feasts in depth and prophecy and my mind was opened and expanded. I also have Christian friends who believe in Planet X and that the real keys to end times are in the Pyramids, and some who, yes, literally believe the earth is flat - NASA lied to us all. I'm also one of those who has said repeatedly that I find many holes in the Sept alignment, (reasons why I don't think it is the Revelation 12 sign). I am especially troubled and saddened when I see articles that it "can't be debunked/ can't be disproven". So the perspective part is that you are talking about the sign - one super small aspect (with a lot of speculation) of end times. It's a huge red flag that I mentioned - I think it means something, but not the rapture, not the end of the world, not the start of the Tribulation - possibly nothing. When the 29th comes, the sign will be gone, and it won't be back next year, or the next ten years, or the next 100. Feast of Trumpets, and Day of Atonement/Yom Teruah, and Feast of Booths will be here next year and next. More to come on the next post. Here's some stuff to think about. Paul said the Feasts are a shadow of things to come, Not a sign, that can't be fully seen. ;-) Maranatha.
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Post by disciple4life on Sept 23, 2017 7:47:50 GMT -6
Thanks you guys. We face staunch opposition, but that's what God calls us to isn't it...Hey Bleever, I'm back again. I totally relate, Buddy - It's mind-numbing when I hear people parrot - "No One Knows the Day or Hour." I expect that Christians would and should study - search the scriptures. Open their minds just a bit. Then, I see others on here that are speculating about Planet X and that the real key to end times is hidden in the pyramids. The really tough part, Bleever, is to be balanced - To Not be combative or dogmatic, but to challenge others to harmonize scripture - and apply basic principles of Biblical interpretation. Look at the context, Look at other verses, who was the audience, what genre of literature is it. ?? - I'm not saying or implying that you weren't attacked by Christians. ;-) If you could see the snarky-comments by Christians on my FB. wow. - But I am saying that it's good when people challenge us, and even question our beliefs, or ask to consider how they don't line up with scripture. That's what I try to do, with humility and respect - to those who keep saying this is a Jubilee year, or to those who promote the notion based on a dream of "Melissa" a woman on You-tube, - that somehow Feast of Trumpets or Rosh Hashanah is moved or delayed to Yom Kippur on a Jubilee year.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2017 7:52:55 GMT -6
For those who feel the the sign is either nothing or mostly irrelevant I have some questions to consider:
When the magi saw a sign in the stars was that from God? Did it have meaning and purpose?
When God turned back the sundial for Hezekiah as a sign was that from God? Did it have meaning and purpose?
When the moon was eclipsed while Christ hung on the Cross and the Sun blackened was that from God? Did it have meaning and purpose?
And of course there are many non-stellar signs that were given throughout scripture.
Including the sign of the virgin giving birth in Isa. 7 was from God and resulted in both our Messiah and the coming Emmanuel! A sign which is being confirmed in the sky in a couple hours.
During all of the events of these signs, the Feasts also existed and served their purpose. God works with more than one pattern at a time. Absolutely, he works according to his appointed times (Feasts). But, he also provides signs. He says they will exist. He tells us to watch. And in some cases even tells us to ask for signs. He is not limited to only one way of working with us.
Both the feasts and the signs can be real at the same time. And history and scripture demonstrate this.
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I think a conversation about whether the alignment on the 23rd IS a sign pointing to the time of Rev 12 is a good conversation. But....to simply say signs can't be meaningful because God works through the Feasts does not take into account all the times God has provided signs. It would seem that signs in the heavens are pretty well established by scripture.
Now I believe that what we are about to experience in our hearts is a sign pointing to the time period of Rev 12:1-4 (and at a minimum, 12:1-2)
Some say we won't see it - but think about it: We saw the sign in software, we saw the sign on national TV, we saw the sign on national news. And indeed, we CAN see the sign in the sky split between one evening and one morning.
And, more importantly, our hearts and eyes have been opened to see the sign within.
That does not mean any certain thing will occur at the moment the sign completes in a couple hours. It certainly does mean that God is telling us we are in the time of Rev 12. That time may be just starting and we don't know what it exactly looks like. But we believe and are watching.
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Post by gkp on Sept 23, 2017 9:06:51 GMT -6
Thank you all for sharing from your hearts today. I was driving to town this morning and there was a beautiful sunrise. Most days I would have just offered a little prayer of thanks to the One who made it. Today I was aware that behind that beautiful sunrise was a picture arranged by God Himself. I could not see the stars or the moon but thanks mostly to the members of this site I now have learned to see what cannot be seen with these eyes. I know that beyond this sunrise is a reminder of the great drama that is playing out. If I had stopped the truck and run up to a stranger and said, "Can you see it?", that person would likely have said that it was a pretty sunrise. This morning I was reading Isaiah 45. Two phrases stand out: "Truly you are a God who hides himself" and "I have not spoken in secret, from somewhere in a land of darkness" Have a blessed day! p.s. I Have a little opinion that I'd like to add. The reason no one knows the day or the hour is so that no one can take a selfie on the way out!
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Post by codester1023 on Sept 23, 2017 10:00:15 GMT -6
There are many sects within modern Christendom, and within some sects there are also sub-sects. Understand, not everyone sees things the way you do. The best response is to love in truth, even those who may claim to be Christian but do not seem to act accordingly, and yes... even your enemies as the Lord Jesus instructed. It is good that we look forward with hope to His return. It is good that we long for Jesus and want to understand the bible and the times. It is good to want to warn others. But we must be shrewd and cautious. Feelings can be fickle, often misleading and shallow things. We must take care how we allow them to rule us lest we be deceived and rendered a fruitless or shameful estate, which I fear we as Christians fall into far too easily, and I include myself here. Such is the nature of placing trust in and being subject to emotions, even those surrounding self-perceived signs. How many emotions in how many Christians are wrapped up in this alleged sign? What of the myriad of other signs throughout history which people thought heralded the rapture, the end, and other such events even in our lifetimes? Shall we not learn from them? What happens when we place our hope in that other than Jesus Christ, yes, even this sign? Disappointment, discouragement, despair, confusion, hurt, and a roller coaster of emotions ensue, and I would also argue a potential wound to our witness. For some, it is a catalyst to warn others and share the gospel. Good! But should we not be doing that regardless? As far as I understand, there is no place in scripture that we are commanded to focus on signs in the heavens. Yet do we do this, and dare not do what Jesus commands? Yes, I am aware we are told to watch, but this in context means to be spiritually awake, alert, disciplined, on our guard. To this I point you here, a website which this site endorses: www.gotquestions.org/watch-and-pray.html I'm not scoffing and I'm not accusing, nor am I condemning. Scoffers cause divisions, carried away by their own desires and mock the promise of His return. I want my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ to come back and I want to be with Him. I'm warning, as one who has been here before. I do not deny the possibility of the biblical validity of this sign, but I do not claim it either, and I posit that none of us should. Can any of us truly say we know - not through emotions, longings, or reasonings - but true, faultless understanding? No, we cannot, we can only conjecture and speculate; thus, at best we have human reasoning and at worst volatile emotions - what a shaky foundation to build upon. Yes, many things seem to be converging and if we look hard enough, we can find by imagination many signs in many places. But if we are not careful, we will miss the forest for the trees, and in seeking the obscure we will forget the obvious. 2 Corinthians 11:3 "But I fear that somehow your pure and undivided devotion to Christ will be corrupted, just as Eve was deceived by the cunning ways of the serpent." God bless, Michael |
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Post by dmonsa on Sept 24, 2017 8:57:20 GMT -6
Hello all, when I saw this post I had to register and join in. You are not alone, when I first learned of the Rev 12 sign I sent it to a relative who is a "christian" and she sent me a video of a guy who says Jesus can not come back now because no one knows the day etc, the gospel has not reached the whole world etc ,blah blah blah, I felt very discouraged and down but hopeful, Here is the bottom line, These people do not really want to leave this world, they love their flesh and its pleasures, they say one thing but want another, I have heard these so called believers say " but i have so much to do still" " my son or daughter is not saved yet" " what about college ", in my opinion this is PATHETIC thinking and I see it like rejecting a mansion for a cardboard box, rejecting an incorruptible body for our current state, just like ESAU traded a blessing for a bowl of lentils. For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also. Matt 6:21. I am not saying these people arent saved but at the very least they wont get the crown promised to those of us who love his appearing. The only thing I pray for is that He helps me to live as if He is coming tomorrow.
Blessings.
Diego
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Post by anonymouse on Sept 24, 2017 10:08:35 GMT -6
Hello all, when I saw this post I had to register and join in. You are not alone, when I first learned of the Rev 12 sign I sent it to a relative who is a "christian" and she sent me a video of a guy who says Jesus can not come back now because no one knows the day etc, the gospel has not reached the whole world etc ,blah blah blah, I felt very discouraged and down but hopeful, Here is the bottom line, These people do not really want to leave this world, they love their flesh and its pleasures, they say one thing but want another, I have heard these so called believers say " but i have so much to do still" " my son or daughter is not saved yet" " what about college ", in my opinion this is PATHETIC thinking and I see it like rejecting a mansion for a cardboard box, rejecting an incorruptible body for our current state, just like ESAU traded a blessing for a bowl of lentils. For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also. Matt 6:21. I am not saying these people arent saved but at the very least they wont get the crown promised to those of us who love his appearing. The only thing I pray for is that He helps me to live as if He is coming tomorrow. Blessings. Diego I agree with you 100%, Im willing to LEAVE everything for a sinless body and to praise and worship Him forever more |
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Post by whatif on Sept 24, 2017 12:13:44 GMT -6
Good morning, dmonsa--and welcome to the forum!
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