Revelation 12 in 2 John 1

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daniel
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Revelation 12 in 2 John 1 Sept 14, 2017 6:30:30 GMT -6 watchmanjim, whatif, and 2 more like this

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Post by daniel on Sept 14, 2017 6:30:30 GMT -6

Greetings, fellow watchers.

This morning, I asked Yeshua for encouragement, and He gave it to me from an unexpected place. I happened to be reading 2 John 1 in my personal studies, and just saw something. I googled it to see if anyone else had seen the same thing, but didn't find anyone with all the same sentiments:

The elder == the 24 elders, the body of Yeshua, the man child (Rev 4, 12)
the lady chosen by God == Israel (Rev 12)
her children == tribulation saints (Rev 12)
deceiver, the antichrist == satan (Rev 12)
what we have worked for == the sowing by the body of Yeshua (Matt 20, John 4, etc.)
visit you and talk with you face to face == in the throne room? (Rev 7, 1 Cor 13, John 16, etc.)
The children of your sister == those from Judah? (Jer 3) ...could use a 2nd opinion

With this in mind, it seems like 2 John 1 could be an exhortation to the tribulation saints. What do you think?

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MissusMack08
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Revelation 12 in 2 John 1 Sept 14, 2017 21:57:57 GMT -6 watchmanjim, whatif, and 2 more like this

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Post by MissusMack08 on Sept 14, 2017 21:57:57 GMT -6

Hi daniel, I am not knowledgeable enough to say one way or another if 2 John is referring to the Rev 12 passage. I read it and I looked into some historical aspects of the letter to find out who the original audience was, which is unknown from what I read. I can see how certain aspects of it could lend itself to that interpretation (I read it before reading your analysis and had some similar thoughts to what you put forth). Maybe someone else with more bible history and theological experience than me can weigh in. But interesting catch!

"Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. Old things have passed away. Behold, all things have become new!" (2 Cor 5:17)

daniel New Member Posts: 48	Revelation 12 in 2 John 1 Sept 15, 2017 6:51:00 GMT -6 whatif and MissusMack08 like this Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by daniel on Sept 15, 2017 6:51:00 GMT -6 Thanks for your thoughts, MissusMack08!

watchmanjim
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Revelation 12 in 2 John 1 Sept 17, 2017 12:09:29 GMT -6 whatif likes this

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Post by watchmanjim on Sept 17, 2017 12:09:29 GMT -6

I wish I had time to look into it more, but I will say, I have been thinking a lot lately about how the Bible will open up in new ways to those who read it and are saved "ATR." Quite possibly the Holy Spirit will open up entirely new themes and relevant passages to them that we look over and don't get a whole lot from right now.

I John 2:28 And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming.

daniel
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Revelation 12 in 2 John 1 Sept 17, 2017 14:54:18 GMT -6 watchmanjim and whatif like this

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Post by daniel on Sept 17, 2017 14:54:18 GMT -6

I totally agree, watchmanjim. And not to veer too far off topic, but it hit me about 1-2 years ago that many of Yeshua's parables may find their ultimate fulfillment with the Jews and/or Tribulation Saints during the 70th week, though we glean and learn from them as His Body now (and sometimes, perhaps it's a duality).

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Revelation 12 in 2 John 1 Sept 17, 2017 19:59:14 GMT -6 whatif, Rick, and 1 more like this

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Post by watchmanjim on Sept 17, 2017 19:59:14 GMT -6

The more I study the Bible, the more I realize the multi-level, multi-application nature of the text. Sometimes it's obvious, sometimes not so much. To get the most out of any Biblical text, you need to consult the Holy Spirit--and compare the text with all the other text, with the understanding that the text is always right.

I John 2:28 And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming.

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Revelation 12 in 2 John 1

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