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Post by gospelaxiom on Sept 10, 2017 22:06:59 GMT -6
This is something I've often wondered and have often seen people all over the place regarding this question.
Personally I believe since we are the body of Christ, we will be involved with the judgement of unbelievers.
Just was curious as to any insight and perspective in regards to this.
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Post by watchmanjim on Sept 10, 2017 22:14:48 GMT -6
Good question, gospelaxiom--I'm not sure if the passage explicitly says so, but I have always assumed we would be present for it. Whether we actively participate or not, I hadn't really thought about it.
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Post by MissusMack08 on Sept 10, 2017 22:22:27 GMT -6
I think there's a good chance we will be, since we are told we will judge angels etc. When exactly would we judge them except before they're thrown into the lake of fire? We know we will be priests and kings and will rule with a rod of iron. We are part of Jesus' body, so I think we will be perfectly able to judge sinners out of the books.
we'll have even better access to Jesus than we do now. I think we will just be able to talk to Him and He'll respond right back in our head, if we need to ask Him something.
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Post by watchmanjim on Sept 10, 2017 22:54:22 GMT -6
I think you're right MissusMack, however I'm not sure if the judgment of the angels takes place at the White Throne Judgment--that seems to be a separate event, although I;m not certain.
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Post by MissusMack08 on Sept 10, 2017 23:14:15 GMT -6
I think you're right MissusMack, however I'm not sure if the judgment of the angels takes place at the White Throne Judgment--that seems to be a separate event, although I;m not certain. Yeah I don't know either, lol. When "Satan" is bound in the pit for 1000 years, does that mean just the fallen angel Satan, or the kingdom of Satan, too? Is the white throne judgment at the end or beginning of the Millenium? Sounds like I need to move this comment to another section of the forum, lol! |
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Post by watchmanjim on Sept 10, 2017 23:16:02 GMT -6
Well, I believe the GWTJ takes place after the end of the Millennial Kingdom, and after the last uprising of satan. After all the humans who are going to be born and die do so. So, after there will be no more born in the future.
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Post by socalexile on Sept 10, 2017 23:46:06 GMT -6
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Post by gospelaxiom on Sept 11, 2017 6:42:14 GMT -6
Nobody here is disputing our judgment at the Bema seat. My question is if we'll be present (we're obviously not judged) at the GWTJ, which I think is more likely than not. If we are ruling with a rod of iron, and are a part of the body of Christ, I don't see how this is a far fetched position. |
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Post by socalexile on Sept 11, 2017 6:48:47 GMT -6
Nobody here is disputing our judgment at the Bema seat. My question is if we'll be present (we're obviously not judged) at the GWTJ, which I think is more likely than not. If we are ruling with a rod of iron, and are a part of the body of Christ, I don't see how this is a far fetched position. Sorry I misunderstood. Paul does say we will judge "angels", which is a Greek transliteration of the word "angelos" meaning "messengers"; and can refer to heavenly or earthly ones. |
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Post by mike on Sept 11, 2017 6:56:21 GMT -6
Not sure we'd have an active role in it, but do think we'll witness it. verse 12 could be implied as the Father
Rev 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. 13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. 14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire
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Post by watchmanjim on Sept 11, 2017 8:10:19 GMT -6
Yes, Mike, you're right about the possibility of it being God the Father. I can't remember for sure, but it seems that somewhere else in Scripture it almost implied that it was Christ, but I can't think where. Another possibility may be that it refers to the entire Trinity, but the rest of Revelation does not seem to read that way. More questions!
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Post by gospelaxiom on Sept 11, 2017 9:07:16 GMT -6
Yes, Mike, you're right about the possibility of it being God the Father. I can't remember for sure, but it seems that somewhere else in Scripture it almost implied that it was Christ, but I can't think where. Another possibility may be that it refers to the entire Trinity, but the rest of Revelation does not seem to read that way. More questions! I imagine it would be God the Father who judges. The lamb obviously has been put in our place, and all he is able to see is the sin of unbelievers. I can't fathom how it will be to see ones that we knew in front of God, how terrifying for them not to know him on that day. |
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Post by watchmanjim on Sept 11, 2017 10:36:33 GMT -6
Very sobering.
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Post by mike on Sept 11, 2017 18:59:51 GMT -6
gospelaxiom that thought keeps me humble in the way that I was once in that place, & still deserve to be. But thanks be to Jesus
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