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Post by MissusMack08 on Sept 10, 2017 13:37:27 GMT -6
andrew brought this up in another thread, which was something he heard mentioned in Dr. Dale M. Side's video, "The Probablility of Fulfillment of Revelation 12:1-4 on September 23, 2017." I was also watching the video and intrigued by the idea of "Rahab," as I had not heard about that before, that it may be mentioning the "fiery red dragon" of Revelation 12. I thought I'd do a word-study and context search for Rahab in the blue-letter bible. Wow! The contexts of the passages where that word is found are pretty astonishing, especially Psalm 89. I'm a bit speechless about it at the moment. Quite stunned! I'll read them again later to get my thoughts together. But please, any insights or discussion, please commence! The 4 passages are: Psalm 87: www.blueletterbible.org/nkjv/psa/87/4/s_565004Psalm 89: www.blueletterbible.org/nkjv/psa/89/10/s_567010Isaiah 30: www.blueletterbible.org/nkjv/isa/30/7/t_conc_709007 (make sure to look at what the phrase means) Isaiah 51: www.blueletterbible.org/nkjv/isa/51/9/s_730009
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2017 15:24:37 GMT -6
andrew brought this up in another thread, which was something he heard mentioned in Dr. Dale M. Side's video, "The Probablility of Fulfillment of Revelation 12:1-4 on September 23, 2017." I was also watching the video and intrigued by the idea of "Rahab," as I had not heard about that before, that it may be mentioning the "fiery red dragon" of Revelation 12. I thought I'd do a word-study and context search for Rahab in the blue-letter bible. Wow! The contexts of the passages where that word is found are pretty astonishing, especially Psalm 89. I'm a bit speechless about it at the moment. Quite stunned! I'll read them again later to get my thoughts together. But please, any insights or discussion, please commence! The 4 passages are: Psalm 87: www.blueletterbible.org/nkjv/psa/87/4/s_565004Psalm 89: www.blueletterbible.org/nkjv/psa/89/10/s_567010Isaiah 30: www.blueletterbible.org/nkjv/isa/30/7/t_conc_709007 (make sure to look at what the phrase means) Isaiah 51: www.blueletterbible.org/nkjv/isa/51/9/s_730009 I can't research this right now, but I am pretty sure that Irma and Hermon are from the same root. Hermon is mentioned in the Psalm 89 passage as well as Rahab. irmin (meaning “world, universal, whole, complete”) is related to Erman (meaning “strong”). I'm not sure this contributes to the conversation, but found it interesting. |
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Post by MissusMack08 on Sept 10, 2017 18:59:13 GMT -6
andrew brought this up in another thread, which was something he heard mentioned in Dr. Dale M. Side's video, "The Probablility of Fulfillment of Revelation 12:1-4 on September 23, 2017." I was also watching the video and intrigued by the idea of "Rahab," as I had not heard about that before, that it may be mentioning the "fiery red dragon" of Revelation 12. I thought I'd do a word-study and context search for Rahab in the blue-letter bible. Wow! The contexts of the passages where that word is found are pretty astonishing, especially Psalm 89. I'm a bit speechless about it at the moment. Quite stunned! I'll read them again later to get my thoughts together. But please, any insights or discussion, please commence! The 4 passages are: Psalm 87: www.blueletterbible.org/nkjv/psa/87/4/s_565004Psalm 89: www.blueletterbible.org/nkjv/psa/89/10/s_567010Isaiah 30: www.blueletterbible.org/nkjv/isa/30/7/t_conc_709007 (make sure to look at what the phrase means) Isaiah 51: www.blueletterbible.org/nkjv/isa/51/9/s_730009 I can't research this right now, but I am pretty sure that Irma and Hermon are from the same root. Hermon is mentioned in the Psalm 89 passage as well as Rahab. irmin (meaning “world, universal, whole, complete”) is related to Erman (meaning “strong”). I'm not sure this contributes to the conversation, but found it interesting.https://www.blueletterbible.org/nkjv/psa/89/12/s_567012 I was intrigued so I tried to find a meaning for Hermon (Chermon) and other than it's a sacred mountain (maybe that's what it means?), I couldn't find anything. Tabor means tambourine. Mount Tabor is a mountain in the Southwest of Israel and Mount Hermon is in the Northeast, so that explains the verses: "The heavens are Yours, the earth also is Yours; The world and all its fullness, You have founded them. The north and the south, You have created them; Tabor and Hermon rejoice in Your name." |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2017 19:49:01 GMT -6
Well, shoot. Now, I'm going to have to figure out where I got that from. But I'm pretty sure the roots that I am referring to are germanic and not hebrew. So maybe that is the problem. I'll try to check myself on this when I get a chance.
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Post by MissusMack08 on Sept 10, 2017 20:01:30 GMT -6
Alright, I feel like I have some thoughts forming (LOL) but I can't quite put all the pieces together. This may be like a rambling as I go through these passages and then write my thoughts.
I think what really caught my attention in Psalm 89 are the verses:
Psa 89:9-10
You rule the raging of the sea;
When its waves rise, You still them.
You have broken Rahab in pieces, as one who is slain;
You have scattered Your enemies with Your mighty arm.
We know that Satan is the "prince of the power of the air" so my brain made the connection with the "raging of the sea" and rising waves, since it's the wind that makes the sea rage. But also, the sea itself affects the wind, so it could be seen as one huge system.
The passage in Psalm 87 is utterly cryptic to me. I can't make sense of it in English or with the Hebrew help. I feel like I'm missing some vital understanding that I don't know because I can't read Hebrew. (I can't seem to access a translation of LXX. Is this supposed to be available through blue letter bible? I can't seem to find it or make it work on my iPad if so).
The Isaiah 30 passage is just as cryptic. The word Rahab is used as part of a name meaning (their strength is to sit still) and Rahab means strength. But previous in the passage there is "fiery flying serpent" translated literally from seraph.
The Isaiah 51 passage, Rahab is referred to as "the serpent." And the verses about the sea follow.
Themes I noted throughout the passages (not necessarily in all 4) were "foundation", "the Rock", "the arm of the Lord", "Zion," "returning to Zion," "everlasting salvation," "disobedience but then redemption of God's people"
Let's compare these verses with Psalm 89:9-10 above:
Isa 51:9-10
Are You not the arm that cut Rahab apart,
And wounded the serpent?
Are You not the One who dried up the sea,
The waters of the great deep;
That made the depths of the sea a road
For the redeemed to cross over?
Isa 51:15
But I am the LORD your God,
Who divided the sea whose waves roared—
The LORD of hosts is His name.
In Revelation we have a fiery red serpent with 7 heads, 7 crowns and 10 horns, and a terrible beast comes up out of the "sea." Then, when God creates a new heaven and new earth there will no longer be any sea.
Could Rahab, the serpent, be the sea?
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Post by watchmanjim on Sept 10, 2017 21:03:52 GMT -6
There has been conjecture about the several times in the Bible that the term "fiery flying serpent" is used. I believe that is the type of serpent Moses put on the pole, if I remember correctly. Some people insist (and maybe with some real evidence) that flying reptiles (pterosaurs) are still alive in remote parts of the world such as New Guinea. Furthermore some fist-hand accounts by indigenous peoples seem to indicate some of these flying reptiles may have poison biting abilities. One account suggested that the image Moses made of the serpent on the pole could have been of a winged serpent with its wings outstretched--ie, the shape of a cross. I don't have that in front of me right now.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2017 9:08:11 GMT -6
Ok. Just to finish the thought, but still likely not relavant:
I remember where I made the connection between these names. It was actually something I read long ago about the origin of the name German. Some historians believed that it derived from an ancient german word, here is the quote:
"Some learned men have tried to connect the name "German" with the old German word erman, Hermann, irman, irmin, the true meaning of which can no longer be ascertained."
I no longer own this book, but it was called The Historians' History of the World: The early Roman empire.
From this memory and with recent people talking about the meaning of the name Irma I just was struck when you brought up Rahab and then the next couple of verses mentioned Herman.
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Post by MissusMack08 on Sept 14, 2017 8:32:07 GMT -6
This is the other passage that deals with Lucifer. It also has some interesting end-times verses and items about the AC. At the end of the chapter, it begins another proverb, but the fiery flying serpent is found there. I feel like I'm finding pieces of a puzzle and putting them together, but I don't know exactly what the puzzle looks like. Lol, this is probably true of ALL prophecy. I bolted the sections I thought very interesting. Isaiah 14:3-27 3 It shall come to pass in the day the Lord gives you rest from your sorrow, and from your fear and the hard bondage in which you were made to serve, 4 that you will take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say: “How the oppressor has ceased, The golden city ceased!
5 The Lord has broken the staff of the wicked,
The scepter of the rulers;
6 He who struck the people in wrath with a continual stroke,
He who ruled the nations in anger,
Is persecuted and no one hinders.
7 The whole earth is at rest and quiet;
They break forth into singing.
8 Indeed the cypress trees rejoice over you,
And the cedars of Lebanon,
Saying, ‘Since you were cut down,
No woodsman has come up against us.’
9 “Hell from beneath is excited about you,
To meet you at your coming;
It stirs up the dead for you,
All the chief ones of the earth;
It has raised up from their thrones
All the kings of the nations.
10 They all shall speak and say to you:
‘Have you also become as weak as we?
Have you become like us?
11 Your pomp is brought down to Sheol,
And the sound of your stringed instruments;
The maggot is spread under you,
And worms cover you.’
12 “How you are fallen from heaven,
O Lucifer, son of the morning!
How you are cut down to the ground,
You who weakened the nations!
13 For you have said in your heart:
‘I will ascend into heaven,
I will exalt my throne above the stars of God;
I will also sit on the mount of the congregation
On the farthest sides of the north;
14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds,
I will be like the Most High.’
15 Yet you shall be brought down to Sheol,
To the lowest depths of the Pit.
16 “Those who see you will gaze at you,
And consider you, saying:
‘Is this the man who made the earth tremble,
Who shook kingdoms,
17 Who made the world as a wilderness
And destroyed its cities,
Who did not open the house of his prisoners?’
18 “All the kings of the nations,
All of them, sleep in glory,
Everyone in his own house;
19 But you are cast out of your grave
Like an abominable branch,
Like the garment of those who are slain,
Thrust through with a sword,
Who go down to the stones of the pit,
Like a corpse trodden underfoot.
20 You will not be joined with them in burial,
Because you have destroyed your land
And slain your people.
The brood of evildoers shall never be named.
21 Prepare slaughter for his children
Because of the iniquity of their fathers,
Lest they rise up and possess the land,
And fill the face of the world with cities.”
22 “For I will rise up against them,” says the Lord of hosts,
“And cut off from Babylon the name and remnant,
And offspring and posterity,” says the Lord.
23 “I will also make it a possession for the porcupine,
And marshes of muddy water;
I will sweep it with the broom of destruction,” says the Lord of hosts.
24 The Lord of hosts has sworn, saying,
“Surely, as I have thought, so it shall come to pass,
And as I have purposed, so it shall stand:
25 That I will break the Assyrian in My land,
And on My mountains tread him underfoot.
Then his yoke shall be removed from them,
And his burden removed from their shoulders.
26 This is the purpose that is purposed against the whole earth,
And this is the hand that is stretched out over all the nations.
27 For the Lord of hosts has purposed,
And who will annul it?
His hand is stretched out,
And who will turn it back?”
28 This is the burden which came in the year that King Ahaz died.
29 “Do not rejoice, all you of Philistia,
Because the rod that struck you is broken;
For out of the serpent’s roots will come forth a viper,
And its offspring will be a fiery flying serpent.
30 The firstborn of the poor will feed,
And the needy will lie down in safety;
I will kill your roots with famine,
And it will slay your remnant.
31 Wail, O gate! Cry, O city!
All you of Philistia are dissolved;
For smoke will come from the north,
And no one will be alone in his appointed times.”
32 What will they answer the messengers of the nation?
That the Lord has founded Zion,
And the poor of His people shall take refuge in it.
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