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Post by whatif on Sept 7, 2017 12:16:29 GMT -6
Well said, silentknight! I agree. I'm another who doesn't believe in replacement theology, and so far as I've seen our members have a tremendous love for the Jewish people. [b Christians do not celebrate Jewish feast days. Jews do. That was the point. I sometimes do, bella! |
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Post by Rick on Sept 7, 2017 12:28:00 GMT -6
there was another thread a month or so ago I asked a similar question but (of course) didnt really propose it or state it quite as eloquent. I basically said are we missing anything? Have we contemplated everything? Is the sign for Israel and not the church? I know Israel wouldnt really know about the sign as they dont study the NT, but I wanted to consider all angles. All the feasts seem to line up perfectly including 3.5 years in when the Abomination occurs on Passover (April 3, 2021). Thinking out loud....hopefully not too loudly EDIT - More thinking...would the 9th be considered "crowning"? mike, if like most of us believe the catching up (rapture) of the church takes place sometime in September, the sign in the heavens about Rev 12 is I believe a sign for the Jewish Nation, Israel showing them what has happened. 1 Corinthians 1:22 (KJV 1900) 22 For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom: 2Ti 2:15 |
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Post by bella on Sept 7, 2017 12:29:35 GMT -6
[b Christians do not celebrate Jewish feast days. Jews do. That was the point. I sometimes do, bella! You seem to want to argue. I don't think I will be back here. |
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Post by whatif on Sept 7, 2017 12:31:48 GMT -6
I'm so sorry, bella... No, I'm certainly not wanting to argue, so I apologize if it seemed that way to you. Please forgive me.
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Post by Rick on Sept 7, 2017 12:42:46 GMT -6
I think there are great variety of understandings within this forum. I, for example, do not believe at all in replacement theology. In my opinion, there is one church and there always has been one church. Others may lean more in the direction you mentioned bella . What I have noticed, is that for the most part, we are willing to listen to other opinions. I would have to agree with you silentknight, I also do not believe in replacement theology and as a member of the body of Yeshua Ha' Mashiach we are not required to observe the feast days, but that does not mean we can not celebrate that day. If the Holy Spirit so leads one to par take in that feast as part of a lesson or for any other reason, I would see nothing wrong with that. My wife and I have celebrated a few of the feast days just as a way to honor YHWH. Hope this doesn't offend anyone. God Bless~ 2Ti 2:15 |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2017 13:09:28 GMT -6
I do not believe in replacement theology either but I do not take it as far as John Hagee has in saying God has another plan for them and they (the Jews) dont need Christ. bella I believe SK does celebrate feasts to some degree. EDIT - From a Hagee book “ If Jesus refused by his words or actions to claim to be the Messiah to the Jews, then HOW CAN THE JEWS BE BLAMED FOR REJECTING WHAT WAS NEVER OFFERED?” Our family has celebrated the feasts for about 15 years bella. It has been a blessing a variety of ways. But I think I have spoken of that in other threads so I won't bore everyone with it again here. I will say, we do not celebrate Hanukkah. As far as John Hagee, I do not know what he teaches, mike, but I agree with you, that God has one plan of salvation for all people. His Son. |
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Post by kjs on Sept 7, 2017 13:33:11 GMT -6
EDIT - From a Hagee book “ If Jesus refused by his words or actions to claim to be the Messiah to the Jews, then HOW CAN THE JEWS BE BLAMED FOR REJECTING WHAT WAS NEVER OFFERED?” Never heard Hagee say something like that (but you did say it was from a book of his) .... So just where did the actions and words of Jesus proclaim his Messiah-ship?There are several places where Jesus explicitly indicated that he was the Messiah (Christ). Here are some: • When Jesus began his public ministry in the synagogue at Nazareth, he read a passage from Isaiah that was traditionally considered to be a messianic description. Then he set down the scroll and said: "Today this scripture has been fulfilled in your hearing." His meaning was sufficiently clear to the assembly that they became enraged and tried to throw him off a cliff ( Luke 4:16-30). • The disciples of John the Baptist come to Jesus and ask, "Are you the one who is to come, or shall we wait for another?" Jesus tells them, "Go and tell John what you have seen and heard: the blind receive their sight, the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, the deaf hear, the dead are raised, the poor have the good news brought to them." ( Luke 7:18-23) All of these manifestations are ancient Hebrew descriptions of the messianic reign. • The various "I AM" passages of John are considered in a high Christology to be direct references to the Tetragrammaton, the four Hebrew letters that constitute the Holy Name of God (YHWH). • There is the story of the Samaritan Woman at the Well, where Jesus explicitly states he is the Messiah ( John 4:1-42). • Pontius Pilate specifically asked Jesus if he was the King of the Jews (a messianic title). Jesus replied: "I am a king. For this I was born and for this I came into the world, to testify to the truth." ( John 18:37) • When Jesus asked his disciples who they thought he was, Peter said "You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God." Jesus praised him for this ( Matthew 16:15-17). |
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Post by mike on Sept 7, 2017 18:54:28 GMT -6
kjs yeah I've heard him say this promoting his book too. Sad EDIT - Found this...never read the book so maybe he was hyping the book, but not the promo he should put out there if so Anyway it's only about a minute if you wanna hear him say it yourself.
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Post by barbiosheepgirl on Sept 7, 2017 19:45:05 GMT -6
wow, so let's all gather together here. kjs started the thread reminding us that the planet Tzedek (sp?) aka Jupiter, will be crossing out of the parallelogram of Virgo tomorrow. I remember mike when you mentioned "have we crossed all the T's and dotted the eye's?..." (sorry, I have had Scottie's chart on the Book of Rev and the hurricane clusters on my mind lately) Somewhere on the threads someone mentioned that Jesus partially fulfilled the fall feasts which I had never heard of before. I set these ideas/opinions/interpretations on my virtual coffee table..aka, My stack of Biblical/prophesy stuff.. This virtual table is stacked tall with mostly Unsealed stuff..and its a mess of everything I "like". If any of you are familiar with Gary Smalley, I am predominant Otter, with a bit Golden Retriever & Lion on the side, yet no influence whatsoever of Beaver...but I digress, as Otter's do.. Back to the topic of this thread and folks who jumped in: I never thought replacement theology would be part of the discussion. One thing that I really liked what Scottie said in his presentation in re: to the Feasts is that paraphrasing him: "Please pastor, feed me some of that Feast stuff..." But growing up for sure I never was exposed to the history of Feasts. I only recently knew about them at all (short of Passover & Hannukah, see them secular calenders ), and got it from Precept Ministries, then on the internet from those churches who taught about it. BUt who cares what I think here. Point is, this motto: The New Testament Reveals what the OT conceals. Jesus revealed/answered so much prophesy, and NOW look at what we are doing: Using OT to reveal what REVELATION seemed to conceal... to bella and whatif..its like a text message. Thats what it is "text". Inflection, tone, lovingkindness go undetected. The "crowning" comment blew me away!! and to MissusMack08 and bella, your comments of coming along side of me in re: to "FoT, not absoulute to Rapture, yet perhaps being end of Trib thang..." I am glad you might have thought that too, so I am not alone... but so much yet to study here... watching Football tonight. I find it interesting that it is a game between Chiefs (native American symbol) and Patriots (new America peoples)..kind of our founding situation for this Nation... |
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Post by MissusMack08 on Sept 7, 2017 22:17:12 GMT -6
I'm not entirely sure what happened in this thread, but it definitely derailed.
(Btw, how do you tag someone?)
back to the 9th...
kjs, I know Jaco Prinsloo who does the "God's Roadmap to the End" videos believes that around the time Jupiter exits Virgo, it will be struck from behind by the unknown planet in our solar system (Planet X/nibiru/planet 7x/whatever) when it comes back into our solar system (it caused the 3 hours of darkness and earthquake at Jesus' crucifixion). I've found his theory interesting but obviously we can't know that it's true until it happens. Will it happen? I don't know. We are definitively in high watch time for multiple things. It certainly is exciting however you look at it.
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Post by barbiosheepgirl on Sept 7, 2017 22:25:44 GMT -6
MissusMack08 ...I had insomnia last night, so, naturally, lurk Unsealed until I can't keep my eyes open. Whatif and WM Jim, pretty sure, and some one else, said do this: put the At sign "@" in front of the name you wish to tag... and wow to the extra-planetarial stuff, MissusMack08
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Post by MissusMack08 on Sept 7, 2017 22:40:41 GMT -6
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Post by MissusMack08 on Sept 7, 2017 22:45:38 GMT -6
The title of this thread should be said in the same cadence as that old, old chant "Here comes the Judge"...... (smirk) THIS IS IT FOLKS! The ninth is approaching in a few days! Yes, we all know there are no "LINES IN SPACE" ........ BUT coming up on the ninth of September -- Jupiter (the planet being birthed) -- will be exiting the imaginary womb of the Virgin ! Is this the Actual Birth? If so what does it mean? This is the "BIRTH" without labor -- because it is taking place BEFORE the completion of the rest of the sign........ I just thought of this... it could also be "Here comes the bride, Here comes the bride..." ? and if Jesus wants to rapture us around the 9th or between now and the 23rd, I'd be cool with that 😜. No complaints. |
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Post by David Anderson on Sept 8, 2017 2:13:51 GMT -6
I feel as though the labor pains have already started. I mean, since the eclipse we have had Harvey, now Irma, several solar flares and now an 8.0 earthquake in Mexico. Mark Biltz made an interesting observation concerning Luke 21:25. In August, the eclipse was on 21, Harvey landfall on 25.
Luke 21:27 we see the son of man coming in the clouds (for the rapture?) But on the verse between 25 and 27 we have verse 26 where men's hearts are failing for fear of what is coming upon the Earth.
Could the red dragon reveal itself? I don't know but I feel that labor pains will increase dramatically in the next two weeks, especially immediately before the FOT.
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Post by mike on Sept 8, 2017 10:03:14 GMT -6
isnt it the 9th in Israel?
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