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Post by kjs on Sept 7, 2017 8:24:06 GMT -6
The title of this thread should be said in the same cadence as that old, old chant "Here comes the Judge"...... (smirk)
THIS IS IT FOLKS!
The ninth is approaching in a few days!
Yes, we all know there are no "LINES IN SPACE" ........
BUT coming up on the ninth of September -- Jupiter (the planet being birthed) -- will be exiting the imaginary womb of the Virgin !
Is this the Actual Birth?
If so what does it mean?
This is the "BIRTH" without labor -- because it is taking place BEFORE the completion of the rest of the sign........
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Post by whatif on Sept 7, 2017 8:40:59 GMT -6
Thank you for this wonderful reminder, kjs! This prophetic season is starting out with quite a bang!
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Post by barbiosheepgirl on Sept 7, 2017 9:07:17 GMT -6
kjs , a very good reminder...I saw Scottie's presentation and he is pretty solid in his stance that FOT is where the Rapture "should" happen only because of how fulfillments have happened before on the Feasts, and it makes sense. I have heard others make their case too. Even So, there is a thought in my head that there could be the Rapture event outside of FOT. The Feasts were established for Israel, so I oftened wondered if FOT is a gathering call at the end of the Tribulation for those who survived to see Jesus set foot on earth. Bear in mind I am weak in my understanding of the details of the second half of the Trib. Before making any more comments I should/can look into it further. I am sure there are place on this site that talks about the second half of the Trib. Frankly I have been more concerned of the first part of the Trib being a pre-trib believer...However, I have that innocent thought re: FOT, based on how I have seen the Feasts pertain to Israel (though we are grafted-in, are the Child, are the Bride...) I would much prefer a preFOT Rapture as that weekend involves a major travel event for us..I dont want to go anywhere, and would rather be home, watching the skies...
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Post by bella on Sept 7, 2017 9:14:58 GMT -6
kjs , a very good reminder...I saw Scottie's presentation and he is pretty solid in his stance that FOT is where the Rapture "should" happen only because of how fulfillments have happened before on the Feasts, and it makes sense. I have heard others make their case too. Even So, there is a thought in my head that there could be the Rapture event outside of FOT. The Feasts were established for Israel, so I oftened wondered if FOT is a gathering call at the end of the Tribulation for those who survived to see Jesus set foot on earth. Bear in mind I am weak in my understanding of the details of the second half of the Trib. Before making any more comments I should/can look into it further. I am sure there are place on this site that talks about the second half of the Trib. Frankly I have been more concerned of the first part of the Trib being a pre-trib believer...However, I have that innocent thought re: FOT, based on how I have seen the Feasts pertain to Israel (though we are grafted-in, are the Child, are the Bride...) I would much prefer a preFOT Rapture as that weekend involves a major travel event for us..I dont want to go anywhere, and would rather be home, watching the skies... I agree and have wondered the same. 9/9, both 3x3. Hmmm... |
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Post by MissusMack08 on Sept 7, 2017 9:27:45 GMT -6
kjs , a very good reminder...I saw Scottie's presentation and he is pretty solid in his stance that FOT is where the Rapture "should" happen only because of how fulfillments have happened before on the Feasts, and it makes sense. I have heard others make their case too. Even So, there is a thought in my head that there could be the Rapture event outside of FOT. The Feasts were established for Israel, so I oftened wondered if FOT is a gathering call at the end of the Tribulation for those who survived to see Jesus set foot on earth. Bear in mind I am weak in my understanding of the details of the second half of the Trib. Before making any more comments I should/can look into it further. I am sure there are place on this site that talks about the second half of the Trib. Frankly I have been more concerned of the first part of the Trib being a pre-trib believer...However, I have that innocent thought re: FOT, based on how I have seen the Feasts pertain to Israel (though we are grafted-in, are the Child, are the Bride...) I would much prefer a preFOT Rapture as that weekend involves a major travel event for us..I dont want to go anywhere, and would rather be home, watching the skies... I think it's a possibility that the FoT could be fulfilled in both ways, both with a rapture of the church and with the gathering of Trib Saints to witness the "coronation of the king," which is another thing FoT is known for. The Israelites crowned their kings on this day. Since the entire 70th week is also referred to as the DAY of judgment, the rapture at the "beginning" of the day and Jesus' coronation at the "end" of the day (same day seven years apart) would still make sense to me. I think about it like this: just as the last 2000 years are a silent gap in the history of God's dealing with Israel, the 7 year Trib is a gap in God's dealing with the church. The very second that the Trib starts is like the very next second after the 69 weeks ended back when Jesus rode into Jerusalem. In the same way, once the rapture occurs, time is stopped in that timeline and is restarted at the next second when Jesus physically returns, which would be the same day to God. On that day, both timelines merge together, but it'd be the SAME day, but 7 years apart from our perspective. |
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Post by mike on Sept 7, 2017 10:14:11 GMT -6
there was another thread a month or so ago I asked a similar question but (of course) didnt really propose it or state it quite as eloquent. I basically said are we missing anything? Have we contemplated everything? Is the sign for Israel and not the church?
I know Israel wouldnt really know about the sign as they dont study the NT, but I wanted to consider all angles. All the feasts seem to line up perfectly including 3.5 years in when the Abomination occurs on Passover (April 3, 2021).
Thinking out loud....hopefully not too loudly
EDIT - More thinking...would the 9th be considered "crowning"?
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Post by bella on Sept 7, 2017 10:47:00 GMT -6
I heard a Messianic Jew the other day mentioning how irritating it is for them when Protestants engage in replacement theology. In other words, removing Israel in error, and sticking the church in. I am wondering if some of that might be going on here. For example, if we were told the rapture would either be Christmas or Hanukkah, which is most likely? Just something to consider.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2017 10:54:13 GMT -6
I think there are great variety of understandings within this forum. I, for example, do not believe at all in replacement theology. In my opinion, there is one church and there always has been one church. Others may lean more in the direction you mentioned bella. What I have noticed, is that for the most part, we are willing to listen to other opinions. |
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Post by whatif on Sept 7, 2017 11:13:09 GMT -6
Well said, silentknight! I agree. I'm another who doesn't believe in replacement theology, and so far as I've seen our members have a tremendous love for the Jewish people.
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Post by evenso on Sept 7, 2017 11:33:24 GMT -6
But wait, there's more!
Intelligence officials believe that North Korea will launch a missile or missiles around or on the 9 September. Headed to America??
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2017 11:36:55 GMT -6
But wait, there's more! Intelligence officials believe that North Korea will launch a missile or missiles around or on the 9 September. Headed to America?? Source evenso? |
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Post by bella on Sept 7, 2017 11:38:29 GMT -6
Well said, silentknight! I agree. I'm another who doesn't believe in replacement theology, and so far as I've seen our members have a tremendous love for the Jewish people. [b Christians do not celebrate Jewish feast days. Jews do. That was the point. |
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Post by mike on Sept 7, 2017 11:55:33 GMT -6
I do not believe in replacement theology either but I do not take it as far as John Hagee has in saying God has another plan for them and they (the Jews) dont need Christ. bella I believe SK does celebrate feasts to some degree. EDIT - From a Hagee book “ If Jesus refused by his words or actions to claim to be the Messiah to the Jews, then HOW CAN THE JEWS BE BLAMED FOR REJECTING WHAT WAS NEVER OFFERED?” |
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Post by MissusMack08 on Sept 7, 2017 11:57:05 GMT -6
I don't see the rapture occurring on the FoT as being an instance of replacement theology, if that is what is being got at here. God gave Israel His appointed feasts. Jesus fulfilled the first four appointed feasts on the day. Israel rejected her Messiah and the Church was conceived to be "grafted" into the already "cultivated olive tree." (Romans 11:16-24). The Church does NOT replace Israel in the Abrahamic Covenant regarding the literal fulfillment of prophecies about the Israelite people, Israelite land, or their salvation. But the Church DOES "replace" Israel spiritually-speaking, in the sense that the Church is the one accepting Israel's Messiah and spreading the gospel around the globe—what Israel was supposed to do. I see the upcoming fulfillment of feasts as being fulfillment for BOTH Israel and the Church. Are we not BOTH God's people? It's this constant separation of Israel from the Church and vice versa as God's people that leads to these discussions/arguments. Why can't it be both?
I like to think about God standing outside of time and seeing everything both past and future, seeing the end from the beginning. In this way, I think many passages can be understood much easier than they appear. For example, the parable of the wise and foolish virgins. This parable has been used ad nauseum to support the idea that some Christians (those working hard and watching) will be raptured and those not will be left behind when the bridegroom calls. Assumimg this parable is even about the Church, I see it as God already knows EVERYONE who is going to accept Him—they are all virgins. Some, at a moment in time will be foolish and others wise, but in the end, they are all saved. This would translate (according to this interpretation) into current believers and those who don't believe now but will during the Tribulation. (But there is some question as to whether this parable is even about current Christians, and not exclusively something that occurs during the Trib, but that doesn't pertain to this discussion.
Take that idea to the Church and Israel. Israel in this instance (those brought through the fire and who will accept Jesus as Messiah) are also believers just like the Church, they just also have the Jewish bloodline and didn't believe prior to the Trib. They will still receive the promises of the Abrahamic covenant. But we all receive the promises of salvation, a literal messianic kingdom on earth, and living forever with our God as God's people. We will just have different roles. The fulfillment of the FoT is not for every Israelite today... only for those who will believe later. Only for those who will be part of Jesus' messianic kingdom, if that makes sense. The Feast of Atonement is about Jesus making final atonement for the earth by sacrificing on His altar all the wicked people, the enemies of both the Jews and Christians. The Feast of Tabernacles is when Jesus will set up His earthly kingdom and live on the earth among His people, both the Jews and the Christians. The Book of Revelation is clear that the current Church and Trib Saints will be a part of the fulfillment of these Feasts as well as Israel. We are the army who returns with Jesus for the atonement and we are priests and kings on the earth during His reign.
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Post by whatif on Sept 7, 2017 12:15:28 GMT -6
But wait, there's more! Intelligence officials believe that North Korea will launch a missile or missiles around or on the 9 September. Headed to America?? Yikes! Keep us updated on this, evenso! |
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