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Post by Gary on Sept 6, 2017 8:14:11 GMT -6
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Post by markos on Sept 12, 2017 12:12:25 GMT -6
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Post by kjs on Sept 12, 2017 15:05:00 GMT -6
I will preference this by saying I really want the rapture to occur in the next few days. To me, logically speaking it would be occurring 9/21-9/23. Even when one includes the extra information, that Gary, Jeff, Daniel (and many others)…. They are simply points that make one go “Hmmm” is that not interesting.
We have the "coincidental numbers” – that seem to imply something – but exactly what cannot be nailed down. We have “year” markers 120, 100, 70, 50 – which again are pretty powerful seeming to suggest God is ready to focus on Israel again. We have the Blood Moon Tetrad, The American Eclipse and each new input seems to put another “nail” into our model something will be happening.
Yet, there are puzzle pieces which are not aligning (as of yet) and those non-alignments seem to suggest that we are still off in our calculations.
Let’s start with the Big One Revelation 12:1-2 will happen without a doubt on September 23, 2017. However, second sign (Revelation 12:3-4) has not been found. Yes, many theories have been put forth about the reason of this – but nothing that explains it all. Revelation 12:5-6 is the “Big Birth” passage – however, no one has nailed down exactly when the “Birth” is taken place. Yes, some feel the Ninth of September was the Birth – while others feel the Birth is on the 23rd, while even others feel the birth occurs when Jupiter leaves Virgo completely.
Since the Harpazo (rapture) occurs AFTER the Birth – we definitely need to nail down that Birth. So far – no one that I know has nailed down that Birth. In my opinion, it is only after the BIRTH – take we can start processing what it all means.
As it stands right now, there is ONLY one sign which will be occurring of September 23rd (the lady clothed in sun and with a crown). We can hope passage 5-6 happens at this time too – but nothing guarantees it.
In another thread, someone created a spaghetti model – with possible rapture dates – I pointed out I did not think we wanted to start to do that. People then would be placing their faith in Numbers/ Dates they were selected – such as first day of tabernacles ….
I would rather find the BIRTH…..
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Post by mike on Sept 12, 2017 17:22:17 GMT -6
Crazy thought about the birth brother.
Verse 2 "And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered."
The great sign is not crying is it? Is it travailing? Or in labor pain? We can't tell looking at the sky, at least not today right?
Anything to do with Israel?
Could something occur between now and the 21st? 22nd or even 23rd for that matter? Maybe some UN resolution? Or Iran strikes back for the Syrian incident last week?
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Post by truthseeker on Sept 12, 2017 19:36:47 GMT -6
Looking st Amos 8, is a real picture. He starts off saying that the end of him passing by Israel has come and he will nail deal with them. God is speaking to the wicked as if the 'new moon' is in play and they are impatient for the feast days to be over. And he warns them that instead he is GOING to turn their feast days into mourning. And then darken the noon day. And the word of the Lord will be found anymore.
Sounds pretty on time to me. And I definitely see the new moon of the 20th, followed by two feast days(21,22)including the international peace day declaring 'peace and safety'(!), followed by a dark day and NO peace and safety! It says at that point that the word of the Lord will not be found anymore.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2017 20:19:09 GMT -6
... In another thread, someone created a spaghetti model – with possible rapture dates – I pointed out I did not think we wanted to start to do that. People then would be placing their faith in Numbers/ Dates they were selected – such as first day of tabernacles …. I doubt anyone is putting their faith in a date. We put our faith in Christ alone. This entire forum is speculating about different possibilities for the times of various events. Some are based more on understanding the feasts, some are based on events happening around the world, some are based on anniversaries. But I haven't seen anyone putting their faith in a theory. Many people, such as myself, hold many possibilities in our mind and may simply mention one in order to be part of a conversation. That does not mean that we "believe it", "put our faith in it" or "have it as a favorite date." We're just looking up and having fun talking to one another. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2017 23:35:05 GMT -6
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Post by mike on Sept 13, 2017 6:28:21 GMT -6
As always was thinking on my drive to work today and though most of my thoughts dont produce much I figured I'd throw this out for others thoughts too. When Jesus arrived on the scene He had a 3+ yr ministry filled with miracles, persecution, and conflict (among other things). There were many who recognized who He was, yet many did not.
When He made the triumphal entry, many more (Matt 21 says multitude) "recognized" Him saying Hosanna...and the city was a buzz. (v.10 "all the city was moved, saying Who is this?")
My point in citing the above was even those who followed Him closely didnt realize the prophecies were being fulfilled until they actually occurred or perhaps even after they happened. This is no huge secret as most prophecies arent recognized before they occur. So what makes this one any different? Why is it that we think because we have software that can identify this sign before it happens, that we would know the actual fulfillment of it before it happens? This never happened before, why would this be any different?
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Post by watchmanjim on Sept 13, 2017 12:11:20 GMT -6
Yes--it is actually astounding that so many of us agree that the sign alignment makes sense. Then it's a matter of specualtion and discernment about the rest of the scriptures that tell us things. I actually think we'll be up and out of here by the 23. If not, then we'll have to look carefully at the other things that are, or are not, happening and see whether there is anything else to discern or learn--or if the Spirit tells us anything else or leads us to more Scripture. With as much as we have been shown, I really don't think we're going to be disappointed--or if we are, it would be because we had our hope in a scenario instead of a Person, the Lord Jesus Christ. If He is our hope, then the details are secondary. He will have a plan, a way forward, a way of escape, or a path of duty, but whatever it is, it will be GREAT!
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Post by copperhead on Sept 15, 2017 11:09:03 GMT -6
If I may, something in some recent research put a monkey wrench into the September 23rd debate.
I have come across some interesting stuff that states, that during a Jubilee year (some would argue that this is coming up in a week), Yom Teruah and Yom Kippur are joined as one feast day, the 10th of Tishri, which this year would correspond to September 30th. Teachings from the Misha (commentary on the Torah), when expounding on Leviticus 25 state that on a Jubilee year, Yom Teruah (feast of trumpets) and Yom Kippur (day of atonement) are done as one day together on the 10th of the 7th month (Tishri). Still researching that idea.
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Post by mike on Sept 15, 2017 11:19:28 GMT -6
copperhead ...no scholar here on the Mishna or Talmud, but the teachings from those are man-made arent they? Why would God alter His dates based on the teachings of man? Didnt Jesus adress the pharasees about this too? I can be totally wrong so please don't take that the wrong way. EDIT - This could throw off observant Jews who won't recognize the sign itself for what we think it could be. Lev 25:8 And thou shalt number seven sabbaths of years unto thee, seven times seven years; and the space of the seven sabbaths of years shall be unto thee forty and nine years. 9 Then shalt thou cause the trumpet of the jubile to sound on the tenth day of the seventh month, in the day of atonement shall ye make the trumpet sound throughout all your land. 10 And ye shall hallow the fiftieth year, and proclaim liberty throughout all the land unto all the inhabitants thereof: it shall be a jubile unto you; and ye shall return every man unto his possession, and ye shall return every man unto his family. 11 A jubile shall that fiftieth year be unto you: ye shall not sow, neither reap that which groweth of itself in it, nor gather the grapes in it of thy vine undressed. 12 For it is the jubile; it shall be holy unto you: ye shall eat the increase thereof out of the field.
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Post by kjs on Sept 15, 2017 12:21:11 GMT -6
For those who don’t know the context of this discussion, the sabbatical years occurred every seven years, and Jubilee was celebrated at the end of seven cycles of sabbatical years—the fiftieth year (or forty-ninth, as some argue). During the sabbatical years the Israelites rested from their labor and allowed (among other things) the land to rest.
While there is some evidence that sabbatical years were observed, it seems that according to II Chronicles 36:21 it only happened sporadically. This text says that the number of years for the captivity in Babylon corresponded to the number of sabbatical years that were not observed. If sabbatical years were infrequently observed then there is a question as to how often (if ever) Jubilee was observed.
Don't know about you, but it seems if the sabbatical years were rarely followed (ie. letting land to rest) -- and Bible clearly states the years in captivity in Babylon corresponded to the number of sabbatical years that were not observed -- it is highly doubtful that Israel ever celebrated a Jubilee year.
King David (1000BCE - 970 BCE) and King Solomon (970–931 BCE) are two of the longest "reigns" recorded in the Bible -- and yet not once was it recorded that a Jubilee year was celebrated during their combined reigns -- why is that?
Just find it very strange -- that in today's prophecy world there is much attention given to Jubilee years -- Yet, there is not a biblical record showing the celebration of said year .... why is that?
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Post by barbiosheepgirl on Sept 15, 2017 19:26:01 GMT -6
Perhaps this is the meaning behind "know one knows the day or hour..." argument...
In reply to another comment above concerning the dragon sign, I made a comment in the Dragon thread that perhaps we the Children will not see/are not to see this sign as we will be out of here...the "Behold" comment in the dragon verses suggest to me a "surprised John."
Rev 12: 3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
Not to drag the dragon sign into this thread, but the Great Sign John certainly saw, but this other sign why was he alerted so emphatically?
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Post by cwood85 on Sept 15, 2017 22:14:59 GMT -6
The word BEHOLD is the key to those 2 verses. See below:
Strong's Concordance
horaó: to see, perceive, attend to
Original Word: ὁράω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: horaó
Phonetic Spelling: (hor-ah'-o)
Short Definition: I see, look upon, experience
Definition: I see, look upon, experience, perceive, discern, beware.
HELPS Word-studies
3708 horáō – properly, see, often with metaphorical meaning: "to see with the mind" (i.e. spiritually see), i.e. perceive (with inward spiritual perception).
I do not think we will see the dragon, at least in my opinion. These verses are different than the first two. No sun, moon, or stars are mentioned. John wrote those things for a reason, to point us to the sky. That is not described about the dragon.
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Post by Rick on Sept 15, 2017 22:43:22 GMT -6
I still feel like we're missing something. If Yeshua would give us the time of his "First Visitation" to the very day if not the very hour, why would he not give us what we need to find his second visitation? There is just some thing we or I don't see. It can be calculated to there very day of his first coming.
- Week of years (shabua or shabu’im) = 7 years
- ‘Cut-off’... Hebrew karath = “executed!”
- The 70th Week is a future 7 years (Apocalypse!)
This prophecy of the coming Messiah is both remarkable and extremely precise. God gave the Jews the most sophisticated calendar on Earth. It is both a Lunar and a Solar calendar. The Jewish calendar uses a 360 day lunar (and prophetic) year and then adds a 'Leap Month' on specific years to accurately coincide with the Solar cycle we use on our 'Julian' calendar ...
The Bible uses 360 day years for prophecies and expects us to add the appropriate 'leap months' on schedule. So, the easiest way to unravel this prophecy is to first convert this prophecy into days:
- Add 7 + 62 weeks = 69 weeks of years
- Multiply 69 (weeks) x 7 (years) = 483 years
- Multiply 483 years x 360 days = 173,880 days From the command given to rebuild the temple.
So, the prophet Daniel, who lived 500 years before Jesus (Yeshua) wrote that from the day of the commandment to rebuild Jerusalem and its walls, until the coming Messiah would be 173,880 days! Remember ... this mathematical prophecy was also translated from Hebrew into Greek in the Septuagint around 300 years before Jesus made His prophetic entry into Jerusalem, riding on a donkey!
God Bless~
2Ti 2:15
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