The message has made it to Germany and Switzerland!
Sept 5, 2017 12:31:31 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2017 12:31:31 GMT -6
So, now lets start with the promised analysis of the video in the first post (Gary).
Due to the length I will split this in two parts.
The guy's name who teaches on the Revelation 12 sign is Martin Baron (MB) from a church called "Gottes Haus" (House of God).
The website of his ministry is www.gottes-haus.de
I added video timemarkers (hh:mm:ss) for better orientation.
My personal comments and/or opinions on the content are formatted as {italics}.
In general I can say that MB is presenting the facts for the Rev 12 sign very sober and fair.
I couldn‘t detect any mocking or debunking overtones in his presentation.
However, his conclusions are somewhat different from what most here believe….
But more to that later.
Part 1
MB starts with saying that there are many recently received prophecies or prophetic impressions that 2017 will be something special.
It is said that in Israel some Jewish groups believe that this year the Messiah will come.
00:02:00
MB mentions the "10 Jubilee Prophecy" of Judah Ben Samuel. MB presents all historical facts for this prophecy very properly.
He mentions the importance of the regathering of Israel as a nation as very important in regard to salvific history.
00:05:45
Lists several examples for convergence in 2017
120 yrs from Zionist Congress in 1897
100 yrs from Balfour Declaration and conquest of Jerusalem by Gen. Allensby in 1917
70 yrs from UN decision, discovery of Qumran scrolls (Isaiah) in 1947
50 yrs from conquest of Jerusalem in 1967
500 yrs since start of the reign of the Turks in Jerusalem and the Reformation in Germany
His conclusion: Impressive clustering or agglomeration of timelines and dates
00:10:00
Mentioning of 5777 and explanation of the Jewish calendar and the history of it.
His conclusion: Don't overrate the "5777," as these numbers are not directly mentioned in the Bible
00:11:30
First mention of the star constellation. He makes mention of the endtimes hype in the U.S. and especially date setting. Many attempts to calculate the exact date of events are currently being made.
MB says, in part these calculations are comprehensible.
He lists several websites and screenshots (watchfortheday.org, Robert Breaker and some more), admits that this is a difficult thing to grasp, especially determining endtime timelines is not that easy.
00:14:02
Talks about the question of whether it has to do with astrology.
No sign like a woman or a lion can be recognized in itself in the sky, because there are no connection lines or images visible in the sky,
It depends completely on knowledge about these things.
00:15:33
He continues with an introduction and explanation of Stellarium and the capabilities of this software, describes it as a required high-tech tool.
00:16:55
MB wondered if constellations are biblical and finally came to the conclusion that constellations are linked to astronomy. He cites 1 Thess 5:21, "But test everything; hold fast what is good."
00:17:45
Emphasizes a difference to the other "Rev 12 guys" by citing Matthew 24:36, "But concerning that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father only."
He stresses that every form of calculation is very questionable.
00:18:30
MB talks about Rosh Hashanah (= Yom Teruah) as the predestined day for the return of the Messiah (because some Jews believe, He will come in 2017). Explains how the 23rd Sept fits in the Jewish calendar
Underlines the 10 days between Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kippur.
00:20:35
Rosh Hashanah = No one knows the day nor hour
Jewish tradition expects resurrection of the dead on Yom Teruah
23rd sept 2017 is the first sabbath in the new Jewish year
MB mentions the election in Germany (Bundestagswahl) on 09-24 as another "special event" in this timeframe
Emphasizes the 10 days of awe between Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kippur
00:24:50
Rosh Hashanah means: something new to start
From the salvific history viewpoint, this day represents the coming of the Messiah
MB mentions the time interval between 1st blood moon (2014) and 09-23 --1258 days or nearly 3.5 years-- and brings to mind that this interval is relevant in endtime timelines
00:25:41
MB emphasises the scriptural proof for the importance of signs by citing Ps 19:1 "The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork."
The Bible often speaks of signs (reminds us of Genesis), owth = signal, sign, pay attention!
He cites Luke 21:25, "And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring," as answer of Jesus to the disciples question "When shall this happen?"
He concludes that it seems to be "not so bad to get into these things" and stresses again that astronomy is NOT astrology.
To be continued...
Due to the length I will split this in two parts.
The guy's name who teaches on the Revelation 12 sign is Martin Baron (MB) from a church called "Gottes Haus" (House of God).
The website of his ministry is www.gottes-haus.de
I added video timemarkers (hh:mm:ss) for better orientation.
My personal comments and/or opinions on the content are formatted as {italics}.
In general I can say that MB is presenting the facts for the Rev 12 sign very sober and fair.
I couldn‘t detect any mocking or debunking overtones in his presentation.
However, his conclusions are somewhat different from what most here believe….
But more to that later.
Part 1
MB starts with saying that there are many recently received prophecies or prophetic impressions that 2017 will be something special.
It is said that in Israel some Jewish groups believe that this year the Messiah will come.
00:02:00
MB mentions the "10 Jubilee Prophecy" of Judah Ben Samuel. MB presents all historical facts for this prophecy very properly.
He mentions the importance of the regathering of Israel as a nation as very important in regard to salvific history.
00:05:45
Lists several examples for convergence in 2017
120 yrs from Zionist Congress in 1897
100 yrs from Balfour Declaration and conquest of Jerusalem by Gen. Allensby in 1917
70 yrs from UN decision, discovery of Qumran scrolls (Isaiah) in 1947
50 yrs from conquest of Jerusalem in 1967
500 yrs since start of the reign of the Turks in Jerusalem and the Reformation in Germany
His conclusion: Impressive clustering or agglomeration of timelines and dates
00:10:00
Mentioning of 5777 and explanation of the Jewish calendar and the history of it.
His conclusion: Don't overrate the "5777," as these numbers are not directly mentioned in the Bible
00:11:30
First mention of the star constellation. He makes mention of the endtimes hype in the U.S. and especially date setting. Many attempts to calculate the exact date of events are currently being made.
MB says, in part these calculations are comprehensible.
He lists several websites and screenshots (watchfortheday.org, Robert Breaker and some more), admits that this is a difficult thing to grasp, especially determining endtime timelines is not that easy.
00:14:02
Talks about the question of whether it has to do with astrology.
No sign like a woman or a lion can be recognized in itself in the sky, because there are no connection lines or images visible in the sky,
It depends completely on knowledge about these things.
00:15:33
He continues with an introduction and explanation of Stellarium and the capabilities of this software, describes it as a required high-tech tool.
00:16:55
MB wondered if constellations are biblical and finally came to the conclusion that constellations are linked to astronomy. He cites 1 Thess 5:21, "But test everything; hold fast what is good."
00:17:45
Emphasizes a difference to the other "Rev 12 guys" by citing Matthew 24:36, "But concerning that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father only."
He stresses that every form of calculation is very questionable.
00:18:30
MB talks about Rosh Hashanah (= Yom Teruah) as the predestined day for the return of the Messiah (because some Jews believe, He will come in 2017). Explains how the 23rd Sept fits in the Jewish calendar
Underlines the 10 days between Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kippur.
00:20:35
Rosh Hashanah = No one knows the day nor hour
Jewish tradition expects resurrection of the dead on Yom Teruah
23rd sept 2017 is the first sabbath in the new Jewish year
MB mentions the election in Germany (Bundestagswahl) on 09-24 as another "special event" in this timeframe
Emphasizes the 10 days of awe between Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kippur
00:24:50
Rosh Hashanah means: something new to start
From the salvific history viewpoint, this day represents the coming of the Messiah
MB mentions the time interval between 1st blood moon (2014) and 09-23 --1258 days or nearly 3.5 years-- and brings to mind that this interval is relevant in endtime timelines
00:25:41
MB emphasises the scriptural proof for the importance of signs by citing Ps 19:1 "The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork."
The Bible often speaks of signs (reminds us of Genesis), owth = signal, sign, pay attention!
He cites Luke 21:25, "And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring," as answer of Jesus to the disciples question "When shall this happen?"
He concludes that it seems to be "not so bad to get into these things" and stresses again that astronomy is NOT astrology.
To be continued...