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Post by wateredseeds on Sept 1, 2017 1:32:08 GMT -6
Hello everyone. Long before the "revelation 12 sign" was discovered, i had been looking at 2 possibly significant prophetic cycles. The first was 2015/2016. This one was due to a lot of interesting things that were set to be going on at the time, and also the year count from the capture of east jerusalem in 1967. However, the second prophetic cycle that i was looking at was 2017-2024. For years i have viewed it as a possible time-frame for the tribulation to occur. So while i am definitely considering the revelation 12 sign, there was another item and actually many more than that, which lead me to think 2017 may start the tribulation. One of the key items is the 86 moon cycle count. A lot of people do understand that a 7 year tribulation period is going to likely run from a jewish fall feast to another jewish fall feast in a 7 year stretch. Based on the day count though, it is most likely that it could only occur during an 86 moon cycle count rather than the more common 87 moon cycle count. I couldn't do the argument justice myself, so maybe check out this link from my friend Gavin Finley. endtimepilgrim.org/chart2.htmFair warning, Gavin is a post-trib rapture believer. So if you aren't into that, just disregard those parts. The information would still be relevant to a pre-trib rapture event. Anyways, it just so happens that an 86 moon cycle count happens precisely from the 2017 to 2024 stretch of years falling on the jewish feast days. It may lend extra credence to the revelation 12 sign and such. Or vice versa. |
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Post by MissusMack08 on Sept 1, 2017 2:57:20 GMT -6
Very cool! That makes a lot of sense. Another nail in the coffin.... or another loose nail out of the coffin?
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Post by watchmanjim on Sept 1, 2017 10:26:14 GMT -6
Pretty soon the coffins are going to bust wide open!
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Post by disciple4life on Oct 6, 2017 1:11:30 GMT -6
Hello everyone. Long before the "revelation 12 sign" was discovered, i had been looking at 2 possibly significant prophetic cycles. The first was 2015/2016. This one was due to a lot of interesting things that were set to be going on at the time, and also the year count from the capture of east jerusalem in 1967. However, the second prophetic cycle that i was looking at was 2017-2024. For years i have viewed it as a possible time-frame for the tribulation to occur. So while i am definitely considering the revelation 12 sign, there was another item and actually many more than that, which lead me to think 2017 may start the tribulation. One of the key items is the 86 moon cycle count. A lot of people do understand that a 7 year tribulation period is going to likely run from a jewish fall feast to another jewish fall feast in a 7 year stretch. Based on the day count though, it is most likely that it could only occur during an 86 moon cycle count rather than the more common 87 moon cycle count. I couldn't do the argument justice myself, so maybe check out this link from my friend Gavin Finley. endtimepilgrim.org/chart2.htmFair warning, Gavin is a post-trib rapture believer. So if you aren't into that, just disregard those parts. The information would still be relevant to a pre-trib rapture event. Anyways, it just so happens that an 86 moon cycle count happens precisely from the 2017 to 2024 stretch of years falling on the jewish feast days. It may lend extra credence to the revelation 12 sign and such. Or vice versa. Hey Waterseeds, Great to have you here, and it's a very fascinating thread. I really think you're onto something, brother.
It was Gavin Finley and his website and timeline that I stumbled upon, that first opened my eyes about the Leap years, and the Metonic cycle, and it was on his website that I first saw the Metonic cycle on the keys of a piano - I'm visually oriented and play music, and this really made sense.
I tried to take the days and plug them into Hebcal.org but they didn't work. I know that mike and I have been discussing this very topic and also yardstick and I as well. As I recall, Yardstick has done several 'Tribulation timeline scenarios/ hypotheses) where he takes a date in the future, **Jewish feast - but I don't remember which one. I think it was Day of Atonement, but it could he created others based on Feast of Booths, -Sukkot. The one big question/ problem - puzzle - that I can't get sorted out --- The first half is 1260 days. This would be 3 1/2 Ancient /Prophetic/ years of 360 days. It's too short. ***They have used the Hilal / Metonic cycle for centuries. I think since 4th century -- maybe even earlier. We have an exact day count for the first half. 1260 days. We have an exact day count for second half 1290 days. Revelation and Daniel. that gives us 1260 + 1290 = 2550. [ 7 x 360 Ancient/ prophetic *also Babylonian years= 2520 days, + 30 days - 1 leap year] = 2550 days. ** But there should be 2 leap years in any/ every 7 year period, starting from any day. 7 x in 19 years. **Metonic Cycle. mike & yardstick - guys, what am I missing? what's your take. ??
I don't get why the extra days - something about he who perseveres 1335 or something.. Sorry - can't remember the exact passage or number.
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Post by mike on Oct 6, 2017 7:50:50 GMT -6
10/17/2024 - 10/23/2024 = Feast of Tabernacles >> less 1290 is 4/6/2021 - 4/12/2021, but Passover/Unleavened Bread is 3/28/2021-4/4/2021 so I dont think this adds up.
10/12/2024 is Day of Atonement >>less 1290 is 4/1/2021 right in the middle of Passover week. But does this even matter as Passover has already been fulfilled???
We are looking for Tabs, Atonement, Trumpets right? in either order in>out or out>in...
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Post by Natalie on Oct 6, 2017 7:57:08 GMT -6
I posted this on the Harpazo thread
Oct 18, 2017 -- Jupiter and Mercury conjunction (they are right beside each other)
1260 days later is March 31, 2021 -- during Passover- the false resurrection? the Abomination?
1290 days after that is Oct 11, 2024 - Atonement and Jupiter is between the horns of Taurus
I hadn't looked at the 1335 days...maybe I can this morning unless someone else gets to it.
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Post by Natalie on Oct 6, 2017 8:06:59 GMT -6
looks like 1335 days is Nov 11, 2024. Is that significant?
I'm not sure why the extra days. Does Scripture clarify this?
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Post by yardstick on Oct 6, 2017 8:16:11 GMT -6
Hello everyone. Long before the "revelation 12 sign" was discovered, i had been looking at 2 possibly significant prophetic cycles. The first was 2015/2016. This one was due to a lot of interesting things that were set to be going on at the time, and also the year count from the capture of east jerusalem in 1967. However, the second prophetic cycle that i was looking at was 2017-2024. For years i have viewed it as a possible time-frame for the tribulation to occur. So while i am definitely considering the revelation 12 sign, there was another item and actually many more than that, which lead me to think 2017 may start the tribulation. One of the key items is the 86 moon cycle count. A lot of people do understand that a 7 year tribulation period is going to likely run from a jewish fall feast to another jewish fall feast in a 7 year stretch. Based on the day count though, it is most likely that it could only occur during an 86 moon cycle count rather than the more common 87 moon cycle count. I couldn't do the argument justice myself, so maybe check out this link from my friend Gavin Finley. endtimepilgrim.org/chart2.htmFair warning, Gavin is a post-trib rapture believer. So if you aren't into that, just disregard those parts. The information would still be relevant to a pre-trib rapture event. Anyways, it just so happens that an 86 moon cycle count happens precisely from the 2017 to 2024 stretch of years falling on the jewish feast days. It may lend extra credence to the revelation 12 sign and such. Or vice versa. Hey Waterseeds, Great to have you here, and it's a very fascinating thread. I really think you're onto something, brother.
It was Gavin Finley and his website and timeline that I stumbled upon, that first opened my eyes about the Leap years, and the Metonic cycle, and it was on his website that I first saw the Metonic cycle on the keys of a piano - I'm visually oriented and play music, and this really made sense.
I tried to take the days and plug them into Hebcal.org but they didn't work. I know that mike and I have been discussing this very topic and also yardstick and I as well. As I recall, Yardstick has done several 'Tribulation timeline scenarios/ hypotheses) where he takes a date in the future, **Jewish feast - but I don't remember which one. I think it was Day of Atonement, but it could he created others based on Feast of Booths, -Sukkot. The one big question/ problem - puzzle - that I can't get sorted out --- The first half is 1260 days. This would be 3 1/2 Ancient /Prophetic/ years of 360 days. It's too short. ***They have used the Hilal / Metonic cycle for centuries. I think since 4th century -- maybe even earlier. We have an exact day count for the first half. 1260 days. We have an exact day count for second half 1290 days. Revelation and Daniel. that gives us 1260 + 1290 = 2550. [ 7 x 360 Ancient/ prophetic *also Babylonian years= 2520 days, + 30 days - 1 leap year] = 2550 days. ** But there should be 2 leap years in any/ every 7 year period, starting from any day. 7 x in 19 years. **Metonic Cycle. mike & yardstick - guys, what am I missing? what's your take. ??
I don't get why the extra days - something about he who perseveres 1335 or something.. Sorry - can't remember the exact passage or number.
I think it depends on where the extra 30 days are placed in those years. How about these scenarios: 30-1260-30-1260 1260-30-1260-30 |
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Post by yardstick on Oct 6, 2017 8:18:12 GMT -6
10/17/2024 - 10/23/2024 = Feast of Tabernacles >> less 1290 is 4/6/2021 - 4/12/2021, but Passover/Unleavened Bread is 3/28/2021-4/4/2021 so I dont think this adds up. 10/12/2024 is Day of Atonement >>less 1290 is 4/1/2021 right in the middle of Passover week. But does this even matter as Passover has already been fulfilled??? We are looking for Tabs, Atonement, Trumpets right? in either order in>out or out>in... , the other possibility is that we are off by up to 3 days, or maybe even 10 days if there is a jubilee year (assuming this year isnt one) |
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Post by yardstick on Oct 6, 2017 8:19:07 GMT -6
looks like 1335 days is Nov 11, 2024. Is that significant? I'm not sure why the extra days. Does Scripture clarify this? At this point, I am thinking it is 'mop-up' after the Trib. |
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Post by yardstick on Oct 6, 2017 8:20:16 GMT -6
I posted this on the Harpazo thread Oct 18, 2017 -- Jupiter and Mercury conjunction (they are right beside each other) 1260 days later is March 31, 2021 -- during Passover- the false resurrection? the Abomination? 1290 days after that is Oct 11, 2024 - Atonement and Jupiter is between the horns of Taurus I hadn't looked at the 1335 days...maybe I can this morning unless someone else gets to it. I note also that your Oct 18 date would, in this scenario, be the start of the Trib, not the harpazo, for a pre-trib position. |
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Post by Natalie on Oct 6, 2017 8:23:29 GMT -6
Oops...It should be Nov 25, 2024!
And yes, Oct 18 be the start of the Trib.
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Post by mike on Oct 6, 2017 8:55:34 GMT -6
D4L the 1335 is in Daniel 12 and it is likely the 45 days mop up at the end of the Trib
…11 "From the time that the regular sacrifice is abolished and the abomination of desolation is set up, there will be 1,290 days. 12"How blessed is he who keeps waiting and attains to the 1,335 days! 13" But as for you, go your way to the end; then you will enter into rest and rise again for your allotted portion at the end of the age."
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Post by MissusMack08 on Oct 6, 2017 13:03:33 GMT -6
I really think the year length, day length, and/or moon cycle are going to change significantly during the Trib. That's why the AC will "seek to change times and laws" because things will be messed up. Thus, I don't think there is anyway based on our calendar to make the days fit. All we can go off of are what we see occurring in the heavens and try to match things up there.
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Post by mike on Oct 6, 2017 13:18:49 GMT -6
I really think the year length, day length, and/or moon cycle are going to change significantly during the Trib. That's why the AC will "seek to change times and laws" because things will be messed up. Thus, I don't think there is anyway based on our calendar to make the days fit. All we can go off of are what we see occurring in the heavens and try to match things up there. Thats a good point...if the days are shortened by 1/3 to 16 hours, the current 1260/1290 days will be more like 840/860...wonder what happens if we plug those timeframes in excel? Eh-hem (cough cough) yardstick |
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