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Post by yardstick on Aug 24, 2017 9:10:45 GMT -6
Leviticus 23:27. Require burnt offering. We have Proof that on the 8th day (We don't know what day this actually was) they went home 1 Kings 8:66 We have Proof that on the 23rd day (7 days after the Feast of Tabernacles) they went home 2 Chronicles 7:10 1 (Feast of Trumpets ) 2 (Feast of Trumpets ) 3 4 5 6 7 8 Dedication of Temple Day 1 (1 Kings 8:66 "On the eighth day he sent the people away") - (2 Chronicles 7:9 "And on the eighth day they held a sacred assembly") 9 Dedication of Temple Day 2 10 Dedication of Temple Day 3 (Day of Atonement) - no work allowed - but sacrifice with burnt offering - Leviticus 23:27-28) 11 Dedication of Temple Day 4 12 Dedication of Temple Day 5 13 Dedication of Temple Day 6 14 Dedication of Temple Day 7 15 (Feast of Tabernacles - 7 More days ) Feast of Tabernacles Day 1 16 Feast of Tabernacles Day 2 17 Feast of Tabernacles Day 3 18 Feast of Tabernacles Day 4 19 Feast of Tabernacles Day 5 20 Feast of Tabernacles Day 6 21 Feast of Tabernacles Day 7 22 (This is argued to be 1 Kings 8:66 as the 8th day, but this is the day before the 23rd... still difficult to agree with this) 23 (Finished... all went home - 2 Chronicles 7:10) Maybe we should be looking at what time of the day? Doesnt the day start at sunset? |
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Post by watchmanjim on Aug 24, 2017 9:49:23 GMT -6
I was thinking about the 144,000 also, Yardstick!
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Post by uscgvet on Aug 24, 2017 15:02:44 GMT -6
Maybe we should be looking at what time of the day? Doesnt the day start at sunset? That's a good thought! I like it! :-) That would shift all of the start times of each event backwards to the previous day starting at about 6:30pm. Then each event ending would be on the very day at about 6:30pm. But we still would have the problem of the "8th day" (beginning on the 21st at 6:30pm to the 22nd 6:30pm) and "23rd day" (beginning on the 22nd at 6:30pm to 23rd 6:30pm) not being the same day. Another way many look at it is: 1 (Feast of Trumpets ) 2 (Feast of Trumpets ) 3 4 5 6 7 8 Dedication of Temple Day 1 (2 Chronicles 7:9 "And on the eighth day they held a sacred assembly") 9 Dedication of Temple Day 2 10 Dedication of Temple Day 3 (Day of Atonement) - no work allowed - but sacrifice with burnt offering - Leviticus 23:27-28) 11 Dedication of Temple Day 4 12 Dedication of Temple Day 5 13 Dedication of Temple Day 6 14 Dedication of Temple Day 7 15 (Feast of Tabernacles - 7 More days ) Feast of Tabernacles Day 1 16 Feast of Tabernacles Day 2 (1st day after the FoTab) 17 Feast of Tabernacles Day 3 (2nd day after the FoTab) 18 Feast of Tabernacles Day 4 (3rd day after the FoTab) 19 Feast of Tabernacles Day 5 (4th day after the FoTab) 20 Feast of Tabernacles Day 6 (5th day after the FoTab) 21 Feast of Tabernacles Day 7 (6th day after the FoTab) 22 (7th day after the FoTab) 23 (1 Kings 8:66 "On the eighth day he sent the people away"  ) - (Finished... all went home - 2 Chronicles 7:10) This is also plausible, but all 1 Kings 8:66 says is "on the 8th day". I don't think there is enough information to dogmatically make this determination though. |
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Post by rt on Aug 24, 2017 16:44:59 GMT -6
Leviticus 23:27. Require burnt offering. We have Proof that on the 8th day (We don't know what day this actually was) they went home 1 Kings 8:66 We have Proof that on the 23rd day (7 days after the Feast of Tabernacles) they went home 2 Chronicles 7:10 1 (Feast of Trumpets ) 2 (Feast of Trumpets ) 3 4 5 6 7 8 Dedication of Temple Day 1 (1 Kings 8:66 "On the eighth day he sent the people away") - (2 Chronicles 7:9 "And on the eighth day they held a sacred assembly") 9 Dedication of Temple Day 2 10 Dedication of Temple Day 3 (Day of Atonement) - no work allowed - but sacrifice with burnt offering - Leviticus 23:27-28) 11 Dedication of Temple Day 4 12 Dedication of Temple Day 5 13 Dedication of Temple Day 6 14 Dedication of Temple Day 7 15 (Feast of Tabernacles - 7 More days ) Feast of Tabernacles Day 1 16 Feast of Tabernacles Day 2 17 Feast of Tabernacles Day 3 18 Feast of Tabernacles Day 4 19 Feast of Tabernacles Day 5 20 Feast of Tabernacles Day 6 21 Feast of Tabernacles Day 7 22 (This is argued to be 1 Kings 8:66 as the 8th day, but this is the day before the 23rd... still difficult to agree with this) 23 (Finished... all went home - 2 Chronicles 7:10) This timeline seems more plausible to me  |
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Post by yardstick on Aug 24, 2017 22:33:29 GMT -6
Leviticus 23:27. Require burnt offering. We have Proof that on the 8th day (We don't know what day this actually was) they went home 1 Kings 8:66 We have Proof that on the 23rd day (7 days after the Feast of Tabernacles) they went home 2 Chronicles 7:10 1 (Feast of Trumpets ) 2 (Feast of Trumpets ) 3 4 5 6 7 8 Dedication of Temple Day 1 (1 Kings 8:66 "On the eighth day he sent the people away") - (2 Chronicles 7:9 "And on the eighth day they held a sacred assembly") 9 Dedication of Temple Day 2 10 Dedication of Temple Day 3 (Day of Atonement) - no work allowed - but sacrifice with burnt offering - Leviticus 23:27-28) 11 Dedication of Temple Day 4 12 Dedication of Temple Day 5 13 Dedication of Temple Day 6 14 Dedication of Temple Day 7 15 (Feast of Tabernacles - 7 More days ) Feast of Tabernacles Day 1 16 Feast of Tabernacles Day 2 17 Feast of Tabernacles Day 3 18 Feast of Tabernacles Day 4 19 Feast of Tabernacles Day 5 20 Feast of Tabernacles Day 6 21 Feast of Tabernacles Day 7 22 (This is argued to be 1 Kings 8:66 as the 8th day, but this is the day before the 23rd... still difficult to agree with this) 23 (Finished... all went home - 2 Chronicles 7:10) This timeline seems more plausible to me They went home at 7pm on the 22nd? since that would be counted as the 23rd day? |
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Post by watchmanjim on Aug 24, 2017 23:27:02 GMT -6
When uscgvet and rt can line up on something, it must be a sign!  I love you guys. |
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Post by uscgvet on Aug 25, 2017 6:23:31 GMT -6
This timeline seems more plausible to me They went home at 7pm on the 22nd? since that would be counted as the 23rd day? the "8th day" = 21st at 6:31pm to the 22nd 6:30:59 pm the "23rd day" = 22nd at 6:31:00pm to the 23rd 6:30pm So the 23rd day = the 9th day, not the 8th day Don't overlay our Gregorian calendar. They are literally 2 different days. |
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Post by yardstick on Aug 25, 2017 11:29:56 GMT -6
They went home at 7pm on the 22nd? since that would be counted as the 23rd day? the "8th day" = 21st at 6:31pm to the 22nd 6:30:59 pm the "23rd day" = 22nd at 6:31:00pm to the 23rd 6:30pm So the 23rd day = the 9th day, not the 8th day Don't overlay our Gregorian calendar. They are literally 2 different days. We are talking about Solomon's time here, right? |
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Post by rt on Aug 25, 2017 15:55:41 GMT -6
When uscgvet and rt can line up on something, it must be a sign! I love you guys. Ha ha...thanks! |
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Post by MissusMack08 on Sept 1, 2017 4:39:12 GMT -6
I had read somewhere, sorry can't remember where but I may look for it, that it was traditional for couples to confirm marriage covenants and for bridegrooms to kidnap their wives (whom they made covenant with the previous year) during the Feast of Tabernacles week. So there'd literally be hundreds of marriage feasts occurring during the week. I'm adding this because of the previous post Jeremiah 33:11, where it says " the voice of the bridegroom and the voice of the bride." It reminded me of that. This tradition would mean that the bride had a reasonably good idea when her bridegroom was coming, but she didn't know the exact day or hour. Hmmmm.
I know there was some discussion on Jews making up traditions on their feasts and whether or not God would use that symbology prophetically. I think the marriage contract/kidnapping is a prime example of how He does. I'm not aware that their marriage traditions were given by God. So, "The Last Trump" being known as the last of 100 shofar blasts on the Feast of Trumpets along with all the other symbolism that they developed in association with that day could refer to the rapture occurring on that day. I go back to when Paul said, "The Last Trump," what did the people hearing that understand as to what he was referring to?
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Post by mike on Sept 1, 2017 5:59:19 GMT -6
I'm not well versed on the feasts but a question comes to mind so I wonder if anyone has some insight on this, perhaps SK does? Why were the feasts fulfilled the way they were? Why the spring feasts but not the fall? I understand the Passover feast had to be fulfilled when it was. Why wasnt Trumpets or Sukkot fulfilled at the Lords birth? I could probably research this but hey, it would take a long time to learn what some of you already know |
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Post by MissusMack08 on Sept 1, 2017 6:32:01 GMT -6
I'm not well versed on the feasts but a question comes to mind so I wonder if anyone has some insight on this, perhaps SK does? Why were the feasts fulfilled the way they were? Why the spring feasts but not the fall? I understand the Passover feast had to be fulfilled when it was. Why wasnt Trumpets or Sukkot fulfilled at the Lords birth? I could probably research this but hey, it would take a long time to learn what some of you already know What I understand is it's the order in which God gave them to them. He called the month Passover would occur, the first month. Lev 23:4-8: 4 ‘These are the feasts of the Lord, holy convocations which you shall proclaim at their appointed times. 5 On the fourteenth day of the first month at twilight is the Lord’s Passover. 6 And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the Feast of Unleavened Bread to the Lord; seven days you must eat unleavened bread. 7 On the first day you shall have a holy convocation; you shall do no customary work on it. 8 But you shall offer an offering made by fire to the Lord for seven days. The seventh day shall be a holy convocation; you shall do no customary work on it.’” |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2017 7:21:45 GMT -6
I can add a little color here.
In regard to the jewish traditions, I have typically not introduced them into my family's celebrations. Although, they can be enlightening, one never knows if they are dependable as true representations of the appointed times of God and therefore, they are interesting, but not dependable.
However, I have also heard about the bride capture idea.
As far as the “fulfillment” of the feasts.
We often teach that the feasts have an eventual fulfillment, but in my experience and study, this is not the case - instead, they are appointed times. If you consider a watch and pick a time along the circumference of the watch you could say that is an appointed time. For example, you may have an appointment at 7:34.
This is a recurring appointed time.
We see that throughout scripture key events took place on the various feast days. So the feasts have “fulfillments” over and over again. Yes, some very major events also took place on these days and that is where we get the idea that they are fulfilled on those events, but the minor events between those major events are also interesting.
Back to our watch, if we picked an actual point instead of a time, you would see the second hand pass that point, the big hand, and the little hand. Each time a hand passes the point it is a testimony to some truth about that point (or better, about the watch maker) - the second hand passing would be a minor testimony and the little hand (hour hand) would be a major testimony. The circular nature of the appointed times is why prophecy has multiple fulfillments.
It is unclear to me if this will continue or if at some point, the feasts are considered fully fulfilled. Then our celebration of them would be purely for remembrance.
I’ll add some more info in the next post, but I need to take care of a couple things around the house so it will be about 30 minutes. Stay tuned though, cause it gets interesting!
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Post by mike on Sept 1, 2017 7:50:22 GMT -6
Thanks SK! Get out the Crayola
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2017 8:15:48 GMT -6
A subset of Christianity, for lack of a better name I'll call them "seekers", have come to an understanding that the feasts are God's appointed times and that they hold significance in the timing of His fulfillment of certain aspects of His plan. But the seekers are still often unaware of all the minor events that have taken place on feast days throughout the scriptures, history, and their own personal lives. This is part of the blessing of celebrating the feasts. It sort of "set's your clock" to the timing of God.
And yet, there is an even deeper application of the feasts that even avid seekers often miss - most seekers recognize the role of the feasts in prophecy and in the corporate body of christ. But did you also know that the feasts are internal as well? Each individual lives out the feasts in his/her own salvation and walk with the Lord.
Each of us, at some point claims the blood of the lamb over our lives (Passover), we recognize the futility of our own works(unleavened bread), we then give testimony to our faith through baptism (death and resurrection (First Fruits)).
Now we begin to walk out our life submitting ourselves to the Lord and allowing his fiery law to be burned within our hearts (pentecost).
Our debts are covered but need to be removed so we rise again(trumpets) and having escaped the second death(atonement) receive our glorified bodies(tabernacles-last great day).
This is where I believe so many christian arguments start about salvation and once saved and works and lordship and all that stuff. You see there is a simple statement that spells it out: We have been saved(passover). We are being saved(pentecost). We will be saved(tabernacles). All of it is a work of Christ.
God does not stop with us at our passover experience. He then refines us with his fiery law in our lives and brings us into accord with this will and law(character). This is why the pentecost feast is between passover and tabernacles and why it is the feast with a long delay before and after. You see God does not just save us for the next age, he is also saving us for this age so we can live in his joy now. So we can demonstrate his character through our love. So we can live abundantly and serve him as tenants of the gifts and resources he has given us. But eventually this body needs to put on the incorruptible and so we need to give up our temporary "booth" and receive our new body and this happens when our flesh is fully circumcised on the 8th day of tabernacles.
God is so perfect in his ways that he has created a model that works from the very internals of each of us to the universal level. And I am guessing that once we see more fully we may find out that this model is even more grand then I just illustrated.
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) - (Finished... all went home - 2 Chronicles 7:10)
