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Post by kjh on Aug 21, 2017 11:51:05 GMT -6
More evidence that God uses His creation and the Heavenly Bodies to convey His Message.
Jesus was crucified April 3, 33 AD. We know that during the Crucifixion the Sun was darkened in the whole region; the darkness was even recorded in Egypt miles away. This darkness was NOT a Solar Eclipse because it lasted far longer and the Moon was at full phase, opposite the Sun in the sky. A solar eclipse can only happen at a New Moon and never at a Full Moon. The Darkness cannot be explained by known astronomy science.
But on that day, does the Sun and Moon tell us more? Using astronomy software we can look back at the day and time of the Crucifixion and find the position of the heavenly bodies.
Amazingly the Sun was located in the constellation Aries the Ram on this day. This immediately brings to mind the story of Abraham and the offering up of Issac. When Abraham was about to strike Issac, God commanded him to stop and do no harm. At that moment they became aware of a RAM caught in the brush and the ram was sacrificed instead of Issac. The Sun positioned in Aries the Ram, at the very time of Jesus' death, is an astounding occurrence, proclaiming God's Sacrifice.
Equally amazing is the path of the Moon, in those hours that Jesus was on the Cross. Jesus was crucified about 9 AM and died about 3 PM.
As the Crucifixion began the Moon was located in the constellation Virgo. DURING Jesus' execution, the Moon crosses the constellation boundary, going from Virgo (the Virgin) into Libra, the Scales... a symbol of measurement... and Justice. In those few hours, as Jesus was on the Cross, the beginning and ending of His life was told and displayed in the heavens!
-KJH
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Post by yardstick on Aug 21, 2017 16:31:57 GMT -6
nice.
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Post by watchmanjim on Aug 22, 2017 10:16:54 GMT -6
Very good observations. I am still very curious as to exactly what caused the darkness (as well as the 3 days of darkness in Egypt in Moses' day). It could have been an outright miraculous event, or some other factor.
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Post by brad on Aug 22, 2017 10:48:40 GMT -6
Nice work here KJH !
Have to confess I'm in the camp of "not sure which year Christ was crucified".... Can you point me in a direction which caused you to believe strongly in the 33 AD year? 3 33 sure does fit nicely in everything we are finding... but might be helpful to know why you believe strongly in this date... ?
Again Brother... Nice work here!
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Post by tiffanybw on Aug 22, 2017 13:03:43 GMT -6
More evidence that God uses His creation and the Heavenly Bodies to convey His Message. Jesus was crucified April 3, 33 AD. We know that during the Crucifixion the Sun was darkened in the whole region; the darkness was even recorded in Egypt miles away. This darkness was NOT a Solar Eclipse because it lasted far longer and the Moon was at full phase, opposite the Sun in the sky. A solar eclipse can only happen at a New Moon and never at a Full Moon. The Darkness cannot be explained by known astronomy science. But on that day, does the Sun and Moon tell us more? Using astronomy software we can look back at the day and time of the Crucifixion and find the position of the heavenly bodies. Amazingly the Sun was located in the constellation Aries the Ram on this day. This immediately brings to mind the story of Abraham and the offering up of Issac. When Abraham was about to strike Issac, God commanded him to stop and do no harm. At that moment they became aware of a RAM caught in the brush and the ram was sacrificed instead of Issac. The Sun positioned in Aries the Ram, at the very time of Jesus' death, is an astounding occurrence, proclaiming God's Sacrifice. Equally amazing is the path of the Moon, in those hours that Jesus was on the Cross. Jesus was crucified about 9 AM and died about 3 PM. As the Crucifixion began the Moon was located in the constellation Virgo. DURING Jesus' execution, the Moon crosses the constellation boundary, going from Virgo (the Virgin) into Libra, the Scales... a symbol of measurement... and Justice. In those few hours, as Jesus was on the Cross, the beginning and ending of His life was told and displayed in the heavens! -KJH Wow! Thank you for sharing that. So amazing. |
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Post by keith on Aug 22, 2017 16:32:25 GMT -6
Jesus was crucified in AD 17. The evidence is overwhelming. 1drv.ms/b/s!AthH7fnVyV81hs8Bx1yzpXQXoQhi6Q (link to Microsoft OneDrive .pdf - probably have to copy and paste it) |
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Post by whatif on Aug 22, 2017 22:55:48 GMT -6
Welcome to the forum, keith! It's a pleasure to meet you! The book you've linked to looks very interesting, and I must say I have been one who is interested in the AD 17 theory. Thank you for posting it! I will look forward to reading through it!
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Post by disciple4life on Oct 6, 2017 16:17:51 GMT -6
Jesus was crucified in AD 17. The evidence is overwhelming. 1drv.ms/b/s!AthH7fnVyV81hs8Bx1yzpXQXoQhi6Q (link to Microsoft OneDrive .pdf - probably have to copy and paste it) Hello Keith,
So glad to have you here, brother. ;-)
The link is broken - doesn't work. ? ;-(
I am interested in this theory. It would mean that Jesus was only about 20 when he died. 
Can you give me the name of the website or the article for this information / theory?
Blessings. Disciple4life.
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Post by yardstick on Oct 6, 2017 17:52:28 GMT -6
More evidence that God uses His creation and the Heavenly Bodies to convey His Message. Jesus was crucified April 3, 33 AD. We know that during the Crucifixion the Sun was darkened in the whole region; the darkness was even recorded in Egypt miles away. This darkness was NOT a Solar Eclipse because it lasted far longer and the Moon was at full phase, opposite the Sun in the sky. A solar eclipse can only happen at a New Moon and never at a Full Moon. The Darkness cannot be explained by known astronomy science. But on that day, does the Sun and Moon tell us more? Using astronomy software we can look back at the day and time of the Crucifixion and find the position of the heavenly bodies. Amazingly the Sun was located in the constellation Aries the Ram on this day. This immediately brings to mind the story of Abraham and the offering up of Issac. When Abraham was about to strike Issac, God commanded him to stop and do no harm. At that moment they became aware of a RAM caught in the brush and the ram was sacrificed instead of Issac. The Sun positioned in Aries the Ram, at the very time of Jesus' death, is an astounding occurrence, proclaiming God's Sacrifice. Equally amazing is the path of the Moon, in those hours that Jesus was on the Cross. Jesus was crucified about 9 AM and died about 3 PM. As the Crucifixion began the Moon was located in the constellation Virgo. DURING Jesus' execution, the Moon crosses the constellation boundary, going from Virgo (the Virgin) into Libra, the Scales... a symbol of measurement... and Justice. In those few hours, as Jesus was on the Cross, the beginning and ending of His life was told and displayed in the heavens! -KJH If the moon was in Virgo and the Sun was in Aries at the time of the crucifixion, then I cannot see how the moon could have been the cause of the darkness that occurred at noon, since it would have been racing ahead of the sun at the time. Unless the sun moves faster across the sky than the moon? hmm... |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2017 18:38:35 GMT -6
Actually, there was a lunar eclipse that day. And I agree kjh, Jesus died about 3:00 pm. As a matter of fact at exactly 3:01 pm. Please see this for more information: unsealed.boards.net/post/7246. |
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Post by barbiosheepgirl on Oct 6, 2017 19:22:41 GMT -6
Wasn't there a decent earthquake when Jesus died? It could have been smoke from an erupting volcano. The earth was shaken enough to tear the veil...is that correct?
Mt 27:51 At that moment the curtain of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. The earth shook, the rocks split...
God Bless Bible Hub!
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Post by disciple4life on Oct 24, 2017 1:06:23 GMT -6
Nice work here KJH ! Have to confess I'm in the camp of "not sure which year Christ was crucified".... Can you point me in a direction which caused you to believe strongly in the 33 AD year? 3 33 sure does fit nicely in everything we are finding... but might be helpful to know why you believe strongly in this date... ? Again Brother... Nice work here! Hello, kjh , keith , others. Disciple4Life here. Your Tennessee brother in Poland. I'm very decidedly in the camp with brad "I'm definitely not sure which year Christ died", but I think that Scripture when combined with history and astronomy and extra Biblical evidence give us very solid evidence. It's a very fascinating topic to me personaly - I've also started a thread on it, and it's connection to End times. unsealed.boards.net/thread/1109/crucifixion-jesus-relation-eschatology I'm mostly Otter/ Expressive, some Lion/Driver, which means that I care more about the fun and mutual learning and Spinach dip than being right at the expense of brothers. I'm starting a huge batch of spiced cider. Did I mention Expressives like pictures & Charts. I really am interested to hear keith 's theory on 17 AD. I've never heard this theory anywhere, ever. ;-) keith - are you still here, buddy? I lean Pre-Tribulation rapture, but I'm Open to other views. I lean "Israel-as-Fig" but I'm open to other views. I lean that "The Feasts are inseparably linked to the Messiah", but I'm exploring other positions, as I really want the rapture to happen this year. ;-) I lean strongly to Christ's crucifixion on Passover, AD 31. I'm not dogmatic but, unless others can explain, remain convinced that the one option we can certainly exclude 100% is A Friday Crucifixion - [which knocks out AD 33.] As a person interested in Astronomy - kjh , I think you will really be impressed with this view. ;-) Let's explore it together - guys - in love and civil dialogue, with the idea that we are all fellow-watchmen, and we learn from each other - and that includes having our pre-conceived notions challenged and questioned. If they can't stand up to brothers and sisters in this forum - how will they ever stand in the marketplace - hostile world. ??
I 've seen droves and hoards of timelines - but this is by far the best. ?? Why? This one ties in all the scriptures and reconciles the different accounts better than any other I've seen anywhere. **This incredible timeline/chart, and the article is found here, [The attached picture is too small to see the key details] www.ucg.org/the-good-news/the-chronology-of-the-crucifixion-and-resurrection-of-jesus-Christ. **I'm not endorsing the website or denomination, but there is some great end times stuff here.
I think that central to any discussion about the crucifixion is the Catholic misconception / misunderstanding of the word Sabbath. In my humble opinion, trying to understand this topic, without this as a starting point is like trying to discuss end times without *Harpazo. The Catholics did not understand that Biblical Feasts are Sabbaths. Identical word for weekly Sabbath, and Yom Kippur - declared by God as Shabbat. Other feasts are Shabbaton. Kinds of Sabbaths. ;-)
blessings, fellow watchmen. :-) Maranatha
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Post by socalexile on Oct 30, 2017 23:31:14 GMT -6
The problem with using sources that deny the Deity of Christ (along with other things) or try to institute the law for righteousness (like SDA, Hebrew Roots and Lordship Salvation) is that if they can't understand the simple Gospel, how can we trust their understanding of anything else? This is what Jesus was illustrating in Matthew 7 about false teachers and shifting sands. That's why we shouldn't use UCG as a source whatsoever
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Post by disciple4life on Oct 31, 2017 1:51:20 GMT -6
The problem with using sources that deny the Deity of Christ (along with other things) or try to institute the law for righteousness (like SDA, Hebrew Roots and Lordship Salvation) is that if they can't understand the simple Gospel, how can we trust their understanding of anything else? This is what Jesus was illustrating in Matthew 7 about false teachers and shifting sands. That's why we shouldn't use UCG as a source whatsoever Hello socalexile, I understand your point, and this is exactly why we as Christians need to "weigh/filter" everything through scripture, and practice sound principles of Bible Interpretation, and not simply accept someone's 'revelation' at face value - without checking it with scripture. ;-) I also agree, that there are some doctrinal issues/ errors, with these groups, and that is why I explicitly stated that I was not endorsing the entire website or the denomination. ;-) But as Pastor and Prophecy Teacher Steve Cioccolanti said, "The Jews got a lot of things right. They have some things wrong, but they are the roots of Christianity, and we can't throw out everything. The Catholic Church, has a lot of things wrong, but they get some things right, We can't/ shouldn't throw everything out. We have to acknowledge and recognize truth, and sift out the bad." The best example of this is that on this exact day in History, Martin Luther nailed the 95 theses to the Church at Wittenburg, Germany - 500th anniversary of the Protestant Reformation. This is also an example of why/how we need to be balanced. One extreme is to ignore his anti-Semitic writings, and the other is to throw out his entire legacy - which includes exposing the corruption of the Catholic Church. Luther was very misguided and bitterly despised the Jews. At first he started to evangelize the Jews. When they resisted the Gospel, he became angry and wrote that "All Jews are dogs and will burn in Hell." His writings were used by Hitler to perpetuate the Holocaust. He was, nonetheless - one of the primary forces in History, -used by God to put the Bible in the hands of common people.
If we throw out the baby with the wash, none of us would have the Bible. Only Bibles were in Latin, and of course the Hebrew/Greek, and were hand-copied on lambskin or parchment. Common people didn't have access, and even if they could see one, they couldn't read it. As paulwatchmandawson said, regarding the Talmud, "sometimes you have to sift through a lot of mud to get a nugget of gold."
Issac Newton is regarded as the greatest scientist who ever lived, but he was horribly wrong on the date of the rapture. Maranatha,
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Post by socalexile on Oct 31, 2017 4:21:03 GMT -6
The problem with using sources that deny the Deity of Christ (along with other things) or try to institute the law for righteousness (like SDA, Hebrew Roots and Lordship Salvation) is that if they can't understand the simple Gospel, how can we trust their understanding of anything else? This is what Jesus was illustrating in Matthew 7 about false teachers and shifting sands. That's why we shouldn't use UCG as a source whatsoever Hello socalexile, I understand your point, and this is exactly why we as Christians need to "weigh/filter" everything through scripture, and practice sound principles of Bible Interpretation, and not simply accept someone's 'revelation' at face value - without checking it with scripture. ;-) I also agree, that there are some doctrinal issues/ errors, with these groups, and that is why I explicitly stated that I was not endorsing the entire website or the denomination. ;-) But as Pastor and Prophecy Teacher Steve Cioccolanti said, "The Jews got a lot of things right. They have some things wrong, but they are the roots of Christianity, and we can't throw out everything. The Catholic Church, has a lot of things wrong, but they get some things right, We can't/ shouldn't throw everything out. We have to acknowledge and recognize truth, and sift out the bad." The best example of this is that on this exact day in History, Martin Luther nailed the 95 theses to the Church at Wittenburg, Germany - 500th anniversary of the Protestant Reformation. This is also an example of why/how we need to be balanced. One extreme is to ignore his anti-Semitic writings, and the other is to throw out his entire legacy - which includes exposing the corruption of the Catholic Church. Luther was very misguided and bitterly despised the Jews. At first he started to evangelize the Jews. When they resisted the Gospel, he became angry and wrote that "All Jews are dogs and will burn in Hell." His writings were used by Hitler to perpetuate the Holocaust. He was, nonetheless - one of the primary forces in History, -used by God to put the Bible in the hands of common people.
If we throw out the baby with the wash, none of us would have the Bible. Only Bibles were in Latin, and of course the Hebrew/Greek, and were hand-copied on lambskin or parchment. Common people didn't have access, and even if they could see one, they couldn't read it. As paulwatchmandawson said, regarding the Talmud, "sometimes you have to sift through a lot of mud to get a nugget of gold."
Issac Newton is regarded as the greatest scientist who ever lived, but he was horribly wrong on the date of the rapture. Maranatha,
Luther got the core of the Gospel right, the UCG and the rest of the groups I mentioned do not. If you don't get the Gospel right, you're going to get the rest of it wrong, which is why these groups have to spend so much time and ink trying to deal with the confusion their false gospels create. Btw, Cioccolanti thinks Rick Joyner is a bona fide prophet, so his discernment meter is broken. |
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