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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2017 14:38:36 GMT -6
In Gary’s post, The Gospel In The Stars, he discusses some possible dates of the death of Jesus. Reading the post refreshed in my memory to an experience that happened to me in 2013 where God worked a minor miracle in my life in such a way that He confirmed the exact time and date of the death of Jesus. I thought it would be encouraging for the rest of you and so I will share the story here.
It should be noted that I believe that God reveals pieces of himself to people all the time. But he also keeps them blind in other areas. This is why someone can seem so true when they talk about somethings and completely false when they talk about other things. The trick for each of us is integrity. That is, we need to share with others what God reveals, but remain honest with ourselves and others where, at least in our lives, God has remained silent.
Too often when God reveals something to us, we then believe He has revealed much more than he has – that’s when we start selling books and DVD’s, etc. As speakers, we must walk in integrity to the message God has given us, as listeners, we must weigh what we hear with the Spirit within us and learn to make proper judgments – even when listening to someone who has heard from God before.
This story is one of those very limited revelations that God gave me. It impressed me and you must judge the truth of it based on what you hear.
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I have brought my family up honoring the feasts of God. That is the appointed times according to scripture. We do not “obey” the feasts or celebrate them as Jews would. But we do remember them and we take time during each of the feasts to celebrate in a way that has become traditional for our family. I will typically use the time to teach about God’s plan for salvation and the way the feasts are a picture of our walk with the Lord both as individuals and as a corporate body. Most of us watchers recognize the corporate level, but we are not aware of the personal level that the feasts reveal about our personal journey with the Lord. This could be a topic of another post at some point if anyone is interested.
On the morning of Passover in the year 2013, I was preparing for what I wanted to present to the family that evening when Passover began. I was still sitting in bed. It was about 7:15 am. I was using my computer to research and document my message. My plan was to discuss how important the timing of God was in his fulfillment of prophecy. I was using the feasts to illustrate that Jesus fulfilled these things very specifically and that he could have not died on any other day. That was his Appointed time.
To me, this was important for many reasons:
1. It demonstrates his foreknowledge
2. It demonstrates his utter control
3. It demonstrates that there is a plan, he is not winging it
4. As a work ethic, it speaks to attention to detail
5. It highlights His perfection, etc.
As typical for me, while I was writing, I was also constantly talking to God. I have gotten to the point that I’m sure he is bored to death of me, but I am constantly asking him for guidance, telling him jokes, laughing with him, etc. And almost always, I get absolutely no response from him. – I know – sometimes I take it personally!
All the sudden, he spoke (internally) and said, “So you think the very day is precise timing?” I laughed out loud, because, often, I would talk to myself and I could never be sure if I was talking to myself or God was talking. Ironically, our voices sound the same in my head. I got real serious with his next statement, “I was on the cross for 6 hours!” He was not angry. He was tone was more --- perfect. Like he was conveying something specific about the time.
So now, he had my attention and I responded, “I know you died around the 9th hour. I know that that is around 3:00 pm. Are you telling me that I should add to my message that you died at exactly the right time? But I don’t even know what day, or for that matter, what year you died. So what difference does the time matter? I know that whenever it was, it was the exact right time.”
He did not respond to that and yet, his lack of response pressured met to consider deeper what I had just said. I knew there was darkness for three hours. But I also knew that Passover occurred when the moon was full so it could not be a natural solar eclipse. I also knew that no solar eclipse could last 3 hours of totality. On a whim, I did a quick check to see what lunar eclipses happened in the potential years of Jesus’ death and notice one that started at 12:01 GMT on April 3, 33 AD. I did a quick check of the time difference and google said it was +2 so that would make the start of the eclipse at 2:01. That is kind of “about the ninth hour.” But seemed too far off to feel right.
I asked God for more and googled some stuff about Jesus’ death and discovered a page by someone who had determined that the greek word for Calvary has a gematria of 301. The Hebrew word for Lambs has a gematria of 301. The greek word for moon has a gematria of 301. At that point (and still) I had serious doubts about the use of gematria to determine spiritual truth. It also bothered me that they were using greek for some of their 301’s and Hebrew for the other 301’s. Wouldn’t God be consistent?
I said, “But Lord, the eclipse was at 2:01. This person is coming up with 301 and I know you died around the 9th hour.” He replied, “Are you sure about your time difference?” I checked again and found that indeed I was off by an hour, because In that year, 2013, Passover was in standard time and in the year of Christ’s death, it would have been in Daylight savings time: +3. In other words, the eclipse would have been at 3:01. I immediately objected, “Lord, they didn’t have daylight savings time back then.” His response instantly came back, “I am not talking to people back then, I am talking to you, now, demonstrating my perfect timing to you, personally.”
I said, “Ok, Lord, but I don’t know if I should put any stock into this gematria stuff.” He said, “What time is it?”
And I looked up from my google pages and my notes and focused on the clock at the top of my mac. As I glanced up, I saw it switch from 8:00:59 to 8:01:00.
I sat there stunned. I said, “No way.” Because it seemed odd that it would be 1 minute after the hour, exactly. He said, “Oh, It is way better than that! What time is it in Jerusalem right now?”
Trembling, I looked at the difference between Wisconsin time and Jerusalem time and to my amazement, after waking up at a “random” time, after 45 “random” minutes of research, after being asked the time and looking up. At that exact instance on the morning of Passover 2013, my Lord had died on the cross exactly 1980 years earlier. At that precise moment, it had just turned 3:01:00, on Passover, in Jerusalem.
Sure, I could analyze all this and compute the odds and say that there was a 1 in 86400 chance that I would look at the clock at that specific moment. But, it wasn’t a random glance. The whole point of the conversation with God, and my message to my family, was the impeccable timing of God. That everything had to happen at precisely the time it did and that future events would also be so timed.
In the midst of this lesson on timing, God moved me and paced me in a guided conversation that led exactly to the moment when all of what he said became perfected. He could have just said, “I died at 3:01.” But He didn’t. He took me on a journey of discovery that, had it ended any other time, would have been interesting and left me wondering. But it didn’t end any other time. It ended at the only time that could leave me with absolutely no doubt that Jesus died at 3:01 pm on Passover Friday, April 3, 33 AD.
But that is not what is important to me. What is important? He took the time to talk to me and reveal one small nugget of truth. In that moment, the faith was strong in this one!
Technically my story is done, but just because He is who He is, I was interrupted several times throughout the writing of this note and as I finished my last paragraph and began to scroll up to proofread what I had written. I checked the time. I hesitate to say. But I can’t resist. My desk clock turned to 3:01.
I suppose I could make this stuff up. But the beauty of it all is – I don’t need to!
Follow that still small voice inside you. You never know where He might lead!
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Post by Gary on Aug 17, 2017 15:32:27 GMT -6
Fascinating and thanks for sharing your story! I'm also persuaded that 4/3/33 was the day (I have my reasons). Perhaps another confirmation!
Great thoughts. I love the humility here. I mistrust those who think they've figured God and the Bible out on their own and do not allow other Believers to speak into their lives. God reveals many things to many people, but He opposes the proud.
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Post by whatif on Aug 17, 2017 19:12:50 GMT -6
Awesome story, silentknight! Wow!
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Post by kjs on Aug 21, 2017 18:12:34 GMT -6
SilentKnight:
Thank you for sharing your story.....
I will not argue with you, but I do believe you are incorrect.
My story is not as dramatic as yours, with internal voices, and timings of the clock -- but it made a huge impact on my life.
I will shorten the entire story, but in a nutshell basically it all started when, I had gotten into an argument with someone on whether the crucifixion occurred on Friday or Wednesday. I had taken the traditional Friday outlook. Enough was said during, the argument that I could tell there was some "holes" in the whole Friday being the day.
I prayed about it, I researched it, I prayed some more. I was becoming more and more frustrated because the more I researched and prayed about - I was discovering Wednesday had potential, Thursday had potential and Friday had tradition.
Finally, I cried out God please Show me without a doubt the DAY.....
Shortly after that cry (no I do not have specific time) - The phrase "Remember Palm Sunday" Came to my mind..... At first, I was like what does that have to do with the DAY.... Then slowly, almost step by step it was all revealed to me.
Palm Sunday was the Only Day were Jesus Accepted the title of Messiah, in fact He told the religious leaders that if He told the crowd to be silent, then the rocks would cry out. The reason was that Palm Sunday was Nissan 10 - the day of selecting the Lamb that would be sacrificed.
After the Lamb was selected, it was required that the family Take it (Lamb) home with them to be examined for four days. If no defect was found, it then was sacrificed on Nissan 14 (or Passover)
During Jesus time Here, He went to the temple every day since Palm Sunday - so He could be examined.
Jesus had the Last Supper with the disclipes on Wednesday Night, was arrested later that night and went through several "fake trials" and was placed on the Cross Thursday morning by 9 am, died according to your hour 3:01 and was buried by 6pm Thursday night.
Even as you said God is very precise .... Jesus is the Lamb of God .... Do you really think God would have missed the Lamb Selection process?
Count it out for yourself The selection has to be on Nissan 10 .... With Passover on the 14th of Nissan -- the only Day it can be is Thursday.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2017 21:48:05 GMT -6
kjs,
Thanks for your response. I'm not sure how to respond, because I don't think a discussion is an argument until attitudes get involved (which has not happened in this case). I appreciate your input but I have some thoughts for you that might bring us closer in our understandings.
Although neither of us can know with certainty, I believe Palm Sunday was on Nisan 9. But even more importantly Palm Sunday is when the people accepted Christ as their king. The actions and words they were using were not a choosing of the lamb - they were a choosing of the king.
However, the spiritual leadership of Judah had a different idea - they wanted to kill Jesus. And so on Nisan 10, they made plans on how to kill him and in so doing, they unintentionally chose him as the sacrificial lamb.
So I do agree with you on the idea that on Nisan 10 the lamb had to be chosen. But that is not what was happening on Palm Sunday.
By faith I must accept what was revealed to me. Also, it was confirmed yet again when I wrote it up for the Unsealed discussion board. The odds of that are significant.
Having said that - it may not matter that much other than to know that God works within each of us to help compile the knowledge for his body.
And I suppose I could allow for the idea that God's revelation to me was time specific and not necessarily date. But the date element seemed very implied in the manner in which it was revealed. Either way, I hope my explanation of Palm Sunday, which was clearly a celebration of the coming King can demonstrate that God did, indeed, have the people choose their lamb on Nisan 10.
In Him,
Jim
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Post by kjs on Aug 23, 2017 11:13:48 GMT -6
On Palm Sunday, the crowd was chanting Messianic prophecies…. They were making their selection!
On that first Palm Sunday (Nisan 10), the people also honored Jesus verbally: “The crowds that went ahead of him and those that followed shouted, ‘Hosanna to the Son of David!’ / ‘Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord!’ / ‘Hosanna in the highest heaven!’” (Matthew 21:9). In their praise of Jesus, the Jewish crowds were quoting Psalm 118:25–26, an acknowledged prophecy of the Christ. The allusion to a Messianic psalm drew resentment from the religious leaders present: “Some of the Pharisees in the crowd said to Jesus, ‘Teacher, rebuke your disciples!’” (Luke 19:39). However, Jesus saw no need to rebuke those who told the truth. He replied, “I tell you . . . if they keep quiet, the stones will cry out” (Luke 19:40).
Please note the crowds were proclaiming Jesus as the Messiah – the Son of David! Unfortunately, the celebration was not to last. The crowds looked for a Messiah who would rescue them politically and free them nationally, but Jesus had come to save them spiritually. First things first, and mankind’s primary need is spiritual, not political, cultural, or national salvation.
In other words, their “traditions” taught He would be ushering in the Kingdom right then and there; but God had other plans – first He would purchase their spiritual freedom – then He would rule. We need to be very careful following traditions, rather than the word of God.
Only ONE day – on Nisan 10 – did Jesus allow the people to acknowledge Him as the Messiah.
John 11:45-57 – tells us clearly that the Jewish council started plotting the death of Jesus WEEKS BEFORE Jesus entered into Jerusalem that last Passover Season.
53 So from that day on they resolved to put him to death. 54 As a result, Jesus no longer walked openly among the Jews.[d] Instead, he went from there[e] to a town called Ephraim in the region near the wilderness. There he remained with his disciples. 55 Now the Jewish Passover was approaching, and before the Passover many people from the countryside went up to Jerusalem to purify themselves.
Your theory states that Monday was Nisan 10 and that it was the Jewish plot to kill him which made Jesus the “selected Lamb” – but as shown – the plot to kill happen weeks before.
Please show specific scripture that Monday after Palm Sunday -- made the selection.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2017 12:13:25 GMT -6
Hi kjs,
First let's highlight what we agree on, which, in today’s church is already amazing.
1. We both seem to have an understanding and appreciation for the law and how it is required that God fulfill His law in Christ so that all things can be done according to what was written - and according to the character of God.
2. We both believe and understand that timing is critical and that Jesus needed to be selected as a lamb on the 10th day of the first month according to Exodus 12:3
3. We both agree that Jesus needed to be sacrificed on Nisan 14, at the moment the lambs were being sacrificed in the temple. I would add that I believe part of the purpose of the 3 hours of darkness was to allow for Christ to be the first lamb sacrificed that day.
4. We also agree that on Palm Sunday, the people were accepting and recognizing Jesus as the Messiah and coming King.
5. We agree that Jesus, at that time, was not coming in the role as King, but as a lamb to the slaughter. It was passover - not tabernacles.
We should celebrate these things and take a moment to recognize that much of the church would not be aware of these five items. As you said, we don’t want to argue, but rather, discuss. Recognizing how close we are on these 5 points should bring joy to our hearts.
So now, what do we disagree on (relative to this conversation)?:
1. Which day of Nisan Palm Sunday was.
2. Whether the people’s proclamations acted as a “selection of the lamb”.
Point 1:
My contention is that there is no perfect proof for point 1. We can speculate based on the events that took place during passion week. But, as far as I know, there is no absolute proof as to whether it fell on Nisan 9 or Nisan 10. It has become popular to believe that it was Nisan 10 because is appears that a “selection” took place by the people. So, unless there is a clean trail of day by day events that I am not aware of, neither of us can be adamant as to the 9th or 10th.
Point 2:
I would contend that the people did select Him as their Messiah/king, but not as their Messiah/lamb. Indeed, even his disciples were still confused about exactly what was about to take place. Judah simply did not grasp what was about to happen and therefore they were looking for a king to lead them, not a lamb to take away their sin.
In Mark 11:1-11 we read of His triumphal entry into Jerusalem on “Palm Sunday.” Then verses 12-14 tell us,
12 And on the next day, when they had departed from Bethany, He became hungry. And seeing at a distance a fig tree in leaf, He went to see if perhaps He would find anything on it; and when He came to it, He found nothing but leaves, for it was not the season for figs. He answered and said to it, ‘May no one ever eat fruit from you again!” And His disciples were listening.
So we see that Jesus cursed the fig tree on Monday and then later, that same day He cast the money changers out of the temple (Mark 11:15-17). Verse 18 shows us that the chief priests inadvertently selected Jesus as the lamb:
18 And the chief priests and the scribes heard this and began seeking how to destroy Him; for they were afraid of Him, for all the multitude was astonished at His teaching.
The priests rejected the peoples wish to see Jesus as a Messiah and instead selected him as a sacrifice. By doing so they actually did proclaim him as the messiah/lamb. I accept that (as John 11:53) shows, the priests were often wanting to kill Jesus. But the Mark passage is more directly connected to the day of selection, whereas the John passage was a more general hatred for the Son of God. Also, Judas made a deal with the priests at some point after Palm Sunday. It would be fun to be able to pinpoint when his negotiations started. Also, when exactly, did the money change hands.
The following Friday, Nisan 14, April 3, 33 A.D., Jesus was crucified and died as the darkness ended at 3:01 p.m. At that moment also, the moon began to eclipse over Europe, and was already eclipsed when it rose over the horizon over Jerusalem on that day.
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Once again, we both agree that His timing was perfect and that it mattered exactly when this took place, but that does not mean that it matters that much whether we know when it took place.
I have provided you with at least a viable option that demonstrates my position could be valid and would also line up with the revelation that God miraculously showed me. It would also line up astronomically which is tightly coupled with God's revelation.
I fully admit that I am only a man and may have heard wrong or corrupted my interpretation. However, I think the story speaks for itself and can also line up with scripture. By faith, I must believe the message that was provided to me by the Lord unless I see clear, indisputable scriptural evidence. You are offering a valid alternative view - but it is not any more valid then the view that matches the revelation.
I must say, it is refreshing to see someone even talking about the selection of the lambs - one of the hidden elements of scripture that the church as long ago forgotten. Thank you for your thoughts.
In Him,
Jim
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Post by whatif on Aug 23, 2017 13:36:12 GMT -6
I'm hoping this might be helpful to the discussion!
Here's a screenshot of the Hebrew calendar for 33 AD (Source: TorahCalendar.com, 2008-2017, www.torahcalendar.com/Calendar.asp?YM=Y33M1)
I know that John 12:1 tells us, "Six days before the Passover, Jesus came to Bethany, where Lazarus lived, whom Jesus had raised from the dead." Six days before appears to be Nisan 8, regardless of which year the crucifixion actually took place.
John 12:12-13 then tells us, "The next day the great crowd that had come for the festival heard that Jesus was on his way to Jerusalem. They took palm branches and went out to meet him..." Unless perhaps an extra day was spent at Bethany that wasn't mentioned by John, it appears that would be Nisan 9, which was a Sunday in the year 33 AD.
I would suggest that Nisan 10 had to do with the questioning of Jesus by the religious leaders in Luke 20 and Matthew 21-22. They tried to find a way to trap Him--tried to find a blemish in Him--but were unable to do so. It was like the examining of the Passover lamb to be sure it was perfect for the sacrifice. |
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Post by kjs on Aug 23, 2017 14:01:40 GMT -6
To me part of the confirmation process is “adding together” these little “tid-bits” and coming away with the “Rest of the Story”
As for me, one of the most amazing things was seeing how the “day” becomes visible when the alignment of all the items fit together of a nice snapping piece of a puzzle.
Ron Wyatt – who has passed away – made a startling claim back in the eighties. Not only did he claim to find the Ark of the Covenant – he also claims it (the Ark) was hidden in such a way that the blood of Jesus – literally dripped upon the mercy seat of the Ark of the Covenant.
When I first heard the story – I got chills running up my back – God is so much in control He could even arrange something as outrageous as this.
You can find the entire story online in youtube.
Is this a real story – or simply the imaginations of a very good story teller.
As the years continue to pass and his death was almost 20 years ago – I coming to the conclusion he was simply a very good story teller (or if you want liar)….
My overall point – in recalling Ron Wyatt – is not to prove he told the truth – or even partial truth – but even the most outrageous claim of Jesus blood actually being transferred onto the mercy seat of the real Ark of Covenant – was so “OUT OF THIS WORLD” that I could see God pulling it OFF …. Simple to show HOW great is His love and Mercy for each of us.
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Post by kjs on Aug 23, 2017 14:18:49 GMT -6
I'm hoping this might be helpful to the discussion!
Here's a screenshot of the Hebrew calendar for 33 AD (Source: TorahCalendar.com, 2008-2017, www.torahcalendar.com/Calendar.asp?YM=Y33M1)
I know that John 12:1 tells us, "Six days before the Passover, Jesus came to Bethany, where Lazarus lived, whom Jesus had raised from the dead." Six days before appears to be Nisan 8, regardless of which year the crucifixion actually took place.
John 12:12-13 then tells us, "The next day the great crowd that had come for the festival heard that Jesus was on his way to Jerusalem. They took palm branches and went out to meet him..." Unless perhaps an extra day was spent at Bethany that wasn't mentioned by John, it appears that would be Nisan 9, which was a Sunday in the year 33 AD.
I would suggest that Nisan 10 had to do with the questioning of Jesus by the religious leaders in Luke 20 and Matthew 21-22. They tried to find a way to trap Him--tried to find a blemish in Him--but were unable to do so. It was like the examining of the Passover lamb to be sure it was perfect for the sacrifice. whatif -- thanks for being helpful .... Assuming Nisan 14 was on Friday -- six days before that (not counting Friday) would have them arriving in Bethany on the Sabbath (when they were restricted on how far they could travel) -- so if they truly traveled to Bethany they most likely arrived on Friday around evening just before the start of the Sabbath) Most everyone agrees Nisan 10 is Palm Sunday --- that is until you prove to them the 14 is the Passover -- and suddenly they jump hoops trying to figure out a way to make the 10 the next day. |
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Post by whatif on Aug 23, 2017 14:27:38 GMT -6
Yes, Friday at sunset would have started Nisan 8, when Jesus stayed in Bethany. That seems to fit well, kjs!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2017 15:49:50 GMT -6
Well kjs,
My point was not to be right or prove anything. I have no agenda and only am interested in truth so I have no desire to jump through hoops. I wanted to tell my story based on an article that Gary had written that I felt would be confirming for some.
I believe, particularly with the verse that whatif has pointed to, that it is more biblical to see the triumphant entry as on the 9th then on the 10th. This also happens to match very nicely with what God revealed to me and so at this point, I would have to deny what happened to me and hold to a position that has no real evidence just so that I could be in agreement with "most everyone."
My goal was not to "prove" I'm right, because I don't really even hold this as a position on which to be "right". This is what was revealed to me. I reported what happened. I just wanted to show you that a date of 4/3/33 could be justified with scripture. Perhaps other views can also be justified. But one cannot claim that a palm sunday on the 9th, selection of lambs on the 10th, and death on the 14th is false. They can only claim that they see it differently, and, of course, I'm always happy to be shown a better truth than that which I think I know.
I should also note, that whatever day you wish to put "Palm Sunday", I still do not see what the people did as selecting a Lamb. They were seeing Jesus as something else completely. And, while the people were inspecting the incoming Jesus and claiming him has Messiah / King. At the same time and on the same day (if we must insist it is 10 Nisan). The priests then questioned Jesus - as you pointed out in your posts - and asked how he allowed the people to say such things. Meaning, during the same inspection, the people saw one thing and the priests saw another. The people saw a coming king. The priests saw someone who needed to die - a lamb. And remember Pilots exclamation, "I see no fault in him." Yes, it was a later day, but the selection was already made, the proclamation was for those who have ears to hear.
So either way it can fit.
In Him,
Jim
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Post by kjs on Aug 23, 2017 19:41:33 GMT -6
Will not argue the point any longer.....
Only one day did Jesus allowed to be proclaimed Messiah, which was Palm Sunday....
I still maintain that Is Nisan 10
Yes, he appeared in temple the next several days to be examined, but the people choose Him on Sunday.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2017 22:53:14 GMT -6
Sounds good kjs. Thanks for discussing it.
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Post by tiffanybw on Oct 17, 2017 12:56:19 GMT -6
I just now read this. Haven't read any of the posts after it yet, but was trying to figure out how to reply because there was no option to and then I realized that I had clicked on homeward bound's link in another thread to get here. This is what I KNOW: Jesus is here and with me right now and I can feel strongly The Holy Spirit. I don't know what words to say to you, SK, to properly convey how I am feeling right now. The word "touched" comes to mind. But... like it is not enough to describe what I am feeling right now. So, I don't know, but I do know that I want to thank you so much for sharing that with us; with me. What I'm about to write, it is just for me, just my opinion. I am all teary eyed right now. And I feel His Presence. And it feels wonderful. And perfect. And that, for me, is what this that you have posted and shared, is what this is all about. For me, it is not about the exact time or date that Jesus died and whether or not you are right or wrong when it comes to the "facts" of it all. That part, it doesn't even matter... and just like Jesus told you... “I am not talking to people back then, I am talking to you, now, demonstrating my perfect timing to you, personally.”
That above quoted from you, is the same exact way that I feel right now. He is talking to me right now as I type this. And I just... I just love Him SO MUCH. It's like, saying that doesn't even begin to explain the LOVE that I feel for Him right now. And every time I talk to Him. Because like you, I talk to Him A LOT, and all the time, and ask Him questions, and joke with Him and He jokes back with me (believe or don't to whomever reads, doesn't matter to me because I can HEAR Him). Not always. And just like with you, sometimes He does not answer me. But lots of the time He does. And I can hear Him. Literal words. Not audible or out loud. But He talks to me in my spirit and His Spirit (this is the best way I can explain). One example: It's been probably 2 weeks ago. I was posting something here on the forum (don't remember exactly what post). But I was talking about The Body of Christ. And as I was writing, I asked Him (not out loud, but my spirit/I thought it/however one wishes to think of it as): "Jesus, what part of Your Body am I?" And lightning fast I got a response. Again, not out loud, but it was just like if I were having a conversation with a person in the room with me and He is in the room with me but it is spiritually. The answer I got: "You are a part of My Heart."Things such as above happen to me ALL the time. I talk to Jesus ALL the time. Does Jesus reveal everything to me? For sure, NOT. But I do know when He is talking to me. And just the whole point of it all from my example above... I KNOW that my place in His Body is His Heart. I know because HE TOLD ME. And there is not a person here, who would be able to convince me otherwise. Now, someone could analyze what I've written, pick it apart piece by piece, syllable by syllable, and disagree. Maybe they will tell me... "No, you are not a part of His Heart and He did not tell you that because of x, y, and z." And they could go on for days with their science, their logic, their reason, and whatever else. If a person were to do that to me, that would hurt me. The reason it would hurt me, it would be because I have just trusted my family here at this forum who believe in Jesus just like I do... and that I put my very heart out there to share such a personal thing that happened between me and Jesus and I wanted to share it with other believers. But then, instead of... "Wow. That is so special Tiffany. So amazing and thanks for sharing with us what Jesus shared with you." Maybe instead I would get... "I disagree with you because of blah blah blah. And you are wrong. And Jesus didn't tell you anything." All this is hypothetical, mind you. Except for the example I used because that is real and that did happen. The rest... speculation and kind of the way I see things and what happened to hurt SilentKnight and also hurt Cage and now they have both deleted their membership... I think because... they got the "I disagree with you and you are wrong because of blah blah blah" response. And of course, in sharing something so personal that happened to a person between themselves and Jesus... and to then be completely dismissed... like something that meant SO MUCH to SK... just trampled over like it was not special at all; like it meant nothing. And from what I gather, maybe even people implying he lied or is a false prophet or any other number of things. Talk about HURT! I think, the entire point was missed! This isn't about "exactly what year, day, hour, minute, second" Jesus died. And so when people come back with... "No. He didn't die like you just said. He died on X day at X time and that is that." Then someone else... "No, you both are wrong. Because He died on Z day at Z time." And it goes on and on. And it is NOT even the point! Because SK never said or claimed that he is some prophet, or that this was a Word from God that he was instructed to share with the entire Body of Christ. He never said that, never claimed he was 100% "right" on anything. Many people took it that way though. And came back with their own "theory" of exactly when Jesus died and why "their theory" is right and SK's is wrong. I don't think though, that SK shared what he did, to tell everyone that this is when Jesus died and that is it and no more discussion on the topic is allowed. Not at all! He was just sharing something special that happened between him and Jesus and that's it. And so, what it is... no one knows or can prove exactly what day, what hour, minute, second that Jesus died for all of us. The problem is, that I think that, of course, we ALL have sin. Not only that, but each of us, we are a different part in Christ's Body. Some are of His Heart. Some are of His Mind and Intellect and are very good with the logic and analytics of it all. Some are of His Hands and become missionaries. Some are His Mouth and they teach and become pastors or instruct in some other capacity. Due to all of that, we all perceive things differently. And the same written sentence or verbal statement... just that it can mean one hundred different things to one hundred different people. And for now, we are Christ's Imperfect Body. So we don't function like we should because of sin. Because there is a THORN in us that disrupts everything and causes... things like this entire issue which has caused multiple people to delete membership (because they feel hurt, they don't feel heard, they don't feel understood, they feel like they have been called false, and so many other negative things). Probably, because I am part of His Heart, I can see these things more easily than others, like maybe someone who is of His Mind. Because... we are all just different. Someday, we will all function together perfectly. But for now, we have to deal with the THORN. And fight it every day. And try our best to see things from the perspective of other parts of The Body. And also, try and respect other parts of The Body, and love other parts of The Body as we ourselves would like to be loved. For sure, it is not easy. I know I'm not good at it. Just an example, I think that yardstick is BRILLIANT! But with some of his posts, I will start reading... and my mind goes @#$%^&*()!@#$%$#! (This is not cursing, this is my mind trying to understand yardstick when he does calculations and stuff.) For me, I just don't get it. And that is ok. Because I wasn't *meant or made* to "get it". However, I still think he is BRILLIANT! And I admire him. And no way could I do what he does for Christ's Body. I think it is the same with SilentKnight. And the same with Cage. And the same with me. And the same with everyone! We were all made SPECIAL to fulfill His Plan and His Purpose for us. Each of us are separate and different but together we work as a whole and together we can put all the pieces (or try to anyway lol) of the puzzle together. But... we need to learn how to work together while dealing with this THORN. Because it ain't going no place! Not until, God removes it. Lucky for us... I truly think He is going to be removing it SOON! Even if He doesn't though, we just need to go to Him First no matter what! And think before we open our mouth or before we type. Try our best to think from every perspective. And then when we mess up (because we WILL  )... to just say... "I am sorry. I messed up. Will you forgive me?"And then do it again. And again. And 70 x 7; or Matthew 18:22. And so... let's get up and off our sinful butts that we have BIG TIME and ALL OF US landed on. Dust off our rumps. Forgive all. And try again. (Keep in mind; we'll probably have to do the same thing tomorrow when we fall on our butt AGAIN. And then the next day, the day after that, and so forth.)  To SilentKnight and to Cage: I really miss you guys a lot. I haven't known you for too long Cage; but miss you all the same! And SK, you can stop being silent now valiant knight! Your "queen" has given you permission to open your mouth... and speak!  Because she misses your words here and she thinks that you also might be a part of Jesus Heart! And you too Cage, a part of His Heart. (I think but in reality, I know nothing.) Seriously, I miss you guys! But whether you come back to this forum or no... I love you and respect your decisions. And I do know that we WILL meet, hopefully sooner than later, in Heaven. |
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)... to just say... "I am sorry. I messed up. Will you forgive me?"
Because she misses your words here and she thinks that you also might be a part of Jesus Heart! And you too Cage, a part of His Heart. (I think but in reality, I know nothing.)