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Post by brad on Aug 12, 2017 11:05:34 GMT -6
What are the odds?
Perhaps the biggest case to be made for the authenticity of Revelation 12 Sign can be found in basic mathematical probability. What are the odds that the Sun, moon, 3 stars and Jupiter retrograding in Virgo’s womb would all line up?
The answer is a fairly simple math probability equation. Remember in math class when we were asked what are the chances of rolling a die 3 times and getting a 1 every time? The answer was to figure out what the chances were on each of the three rolls and then multiplying them together.
Each roll of the die has a 1 in 6 chance of hitting a 1. The odds of getting a 1 three times in a row are 1 in (6X6X6) or 1 in 216.
Lets figure out the probability of each of the four components of the Sign:
1- The woman clothed with the sun: Since the sun is at the shoulder every year, this is not rare at all. Probability it could happen in any given year: 1:1
2- Moon under foot: This too is not rare. It will also happen once per year while the sun is clothing the woman. Probability it could happen in any given year: 1:1
3- Garland of 12 stars: There are only 5 visible wandering stars. Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, and Saturn. Since Jupiter is the ONLY planet with a retrograde motion duration that could qualify as a 9 month pregnancy, we are left with just 4 planets.
Probability of 1 planet being in Leo in any given year: 4:12 or once every 3 years
Probability of 2nd planet being in Leo in the same year: 4:12 X 3:12 or once every 12 years
Probability of 3d planet being in Leo in the same given year: 4:12 X 3:12 X 2:12 = 1:72 = once every 72 years.
4- Pregnancy, and Child being born. Jupiter orbits the sun about every 11.86 earth years, but usually it does not go into the retrograde pattern in Virgo’s womb like it is currently. On average it only enters this pattern approximately every 7 laps around the sun. This equates to roughly once every 83 years. Probability 1:83
This brings us to the probability of all four components of the sign lining up (in loose fashion) during any given year: (1:1 X 1:1 X 1:72 X 1:83) would be only: 1 year out of 5,976 years!
Stellarium seems to verify this because 5,931 years ago was the only close call to a match of the sign yet discovered.
But this is just the beginning!
1- Probability that it would happen during a Jubilee year 1:50
2- Probability that it would happen the day after Rosh Hashanah 1:360
3- Probability that it would happen during the span of an 80 year generation that saw the rebirth if Israel (5778/80) 1:72.225
So, Including the above 3 into the calculation, we come up with a staggering probability of this sign occurring like this once every 7.76 Billion Years!
We could keep going with Biblical evidence, Strong’s number evidence, Blood moons and eclipses…
I’m past the point of being convinced… are you?
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Post by watchmanjim on Aug 12, 2017 11:31:05 GMT -6
Exactly, Brad!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2017 12:28:42 GMT -6
Brad,
You had me at..
This brings us to the probability of all four components of the sign lining up (in loose fashion) during any given year: (1:1 X 1:1 X 1:72 X 1:83) would be only: 1 year out of 5,976 years! 
When I read Amos 8 - I was done. " I will not pass by them anymore". A new moon, feast days, a clear day darkened at noon....
I tell people I am giddy - No matter how each believer 'slices it', it comes up 2017!
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Post by kjs on Aug 14, 2017 12:45:01 GMT -6
Not to be a "Debbie Downer" ..... BUT there is still ONE Item that still bugs me..... 3 Then another sign appeared in the sky: a huge red dragon with seven heads, ten horns, and seven royal crowns on its heads.
4 Its tail swept away one-third of the stars in the sky and knocked them down to the earth. Then the dragon stood in front of the woman who was about to give birth so that it could devour her child when it was born.
5 She gave birth to a son, a boy, who is to rule all the nations with an iron scepter. But her child was snatched away and taken to God and to his throne.
No matter how I read this passage -- the Red Dragon STILL is supposed to be in the picture BEFORE the snatched away occurs....
I too really want the rapture to occur this year, I still think something is going to happen .... but I cannot see the Harpazo happening without the dragon.....
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2017 12:50:53 GMT -6
I am really confused. Ophiuchus is right below the virgin and the lion. I believe it showed up in 2015(?) If I look at skyview - it shows only the serpent; and it takes up 1/3 of the sky horizon. Other pics show the 'bearer' with it - which I see as Michael(?) as he wrestles with it, as is said in Rev. 12:7. We KNOW the dragon is evil and red means 'powerful'. so what's the catch that no one is suspecting it?  ?? |
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Post by brad on Aug 14, 2017 17:54:29 GMT -6
Hello KJS!
You are not being a Debbie Downer… I’ve asked myself that countless times and have been searching for that elusive red dragon for about 4 years now!
Many theories have been presented so far on what the dragon is. I’ve studied them all. just don’t think any one of them fully explains the dragon. I’ll tickle your ears in a minute with an idea on where he could possibly be hiding, but here is what we know:
1- It is a sign in the heavens…. Rev 12:3 And another sign appeared in heaven So we should also be looking in the same place (the sky).
2- There is no description in Revelation 3 about the Sun, Moon or Stars… so it might be something else?
You bring up a great question… How does the Dragon stand before the woman? If the woman is Israel, it would seem that the Gog Magog alliance surrounding Israel could loosely fit this description, but the sign is above… in the heavens… not on earth.
Secondly, if you were Satan wanting to attack the newborn child knowing that the raptured believers will briefly assemble in the clouds, wouldn’t it make sense to wait there? I’m thinking that we might just not see this Dragon until we are immediately under attack!
Here’s an idea about where the dragon might be hiding… Revelation 17: 10 tells us the 7 headed beast is viewed over time. Revelation 17:10 There are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, and the other has not yet come. And when he comes, he must continue a short time.
Iv’e had a theory going that Saturn might be all 7 heads of the dragon viewed one at a time over the years and makes his 7th appearance at the base of Ophiuchus just as the Great sign is appearing. I’ve looked at it a lot, but can’t make the connection yet.
It is interesting that Saturn has 7 rings...(diadems?)
You have any ideas? Time is ticking fast!
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Post by brad on Aug 14, 2017 18:07:42 GMT -6
I am really confused. Ophiuchus is right below the virgin and the lion. I believe it showed up in 2015(?) If I look at skyview - it shows only the serpent; and it takes up 1/3 of the sky horizon. Other pics show the 'bearer' with it - which I see as Michael(?) as he wrestles with it, as is said in Rev. 12:7. We KNOW the dragon is evil and red means 'powerful'. so what's the catch that no one is suspecting it? ?? Hi truthseeker! Some of the other star programs show different graphics... The man holding the serpent constellation is not new however... Hard to tell exactly what God meant to portrait here for sure, but I'm with you on it being a great representation of Michael wrestling with Satan. Sam put out a great video out about this! |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2017 18:26:32 GMT -6
Yes, Brad- and it has crowns and everything over it as Sam shows. Maybe As the sun goes dark at the noon day as shown in Amos eight, maybe the sun will cause the stars of the serpent to go red? I also find it interesting that the serpent Lies between the virgin and the earth.....in between us and the heavens(?)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2017 18:33:27 GMT -6
Maybe there will be a volcano that will cause the sky to go red.
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Post by brad on Aug 14, 2017 18:34:43 GMT -6
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Post by watchman35 on Aug 14, 2017 20:05:50 GMT -6
So, Including the above 3 into the calculation, we come up with a staggering probability of this sign occurring like this once every 7.76 Billion Years! This reminds me of how the Lord used the statistical probability of Yeshua fulfilling by mere chance all of the Old Testament prophecies as a tool by which He wooed me to Himself. I came to the conclusion that it took much more faith to believe Jesus was not who He claimed to be than to believe He is the Messiah of Israel, God in the flesh. So, from that standpoint, I have a soft spot in my heart for the argument of statistical probability. As noted in your post, Brad, this Revelation 12 sign has a similar compelling dynamic of mathematical probability. What is different, at least for me, is that I do not know precisely what the Lord is saying by the sign. There is no doubt in my mind that it is a sign from God and that it is meaningful in His prophetic scenario. I am simply not able to say dogmatically that I know precisely what it means, especially from a timing perspective. Is it indicating that the rapture will happen in the window of the two days from when the new moon is first sighted in Jerusalem as Tishri begins on Yom Teruah? I personally believe that is a very real possibility. Will something happen seven days later when America's 40-day window of opportunity to repent closes on Yom Kippur without any Godly sorrow being expressed collectively throughout the nation? (Brings to mind Noah getting into the Ark seven days before God shut the door...things that make you go hmmmm!) It is clearly a sign, and not some "cosmic coincidence" as these foolish secular astronomers sometimes like to refer to it in a sorry attempt to write the Lord out of the equation. Rightly is it written, the fool hath said in his heart there is no God. |
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Post by cwood85 on Aug 14, 2017 20:19:12 GMT -6
Throwing a different idea out there. Does the translation for the second sign (the dragon) say sky or heaven? I am only on my phone now and read the esv and kjv versions. Both say heavens in those versions. Is it the same word in the original translation? Maybe one meaning heavens and one meaning sky? If it is Satan and his angels falling, then maybe that means they will literally be seen in the sky coming down to earth...
Just a thought. I will look into this more.
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Post by brad on Aug 14, 2017 20:28:25 GMT -6
I could not possibly agree with you more Watchman35!
I too was compelled to believe the prophecies in the same logical fashion... Not many like this though rite? We are all a bit different.... also agree on the timing issues... so many good theories have arisen... I'm lately just excited and patiently awaiting what ever God has in store!
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Post by yardstick on Aug 14, 2017 22:23:02 GMT -6
Throwing a different idea out there. Does the translation for the second sign (the dragon) say sky or heaven? I am only on my phone now and read the esv and kjv versions. Both say heavens in those versions. Is it the same word in the original translation? Maybe one meaning heavens and one meaning sky? If it is Satan and his angels falling, then maybe that means they will literally be seen in the sky coming down to earth... Just a thought. I will look into this more. The same greek word is used for it as for the Rev 12:1-2 sign. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2017 11:20:03 GMT -6
I put on shoutbox...
I watched Gary's video youtu.be/xBQJorT19oU Possible Earthquakes and Tsunami; right after the 11:20 mark, he says on 9/4 that Saturn will be at the leg of the one who restrains Ophiuchus!
Read more: unsealed.boards.net/thread/371/praying-friends-family#ixzz4pqTPtCqW
Maybe Saturn next to the serpent will reveal the sign in a new way(?)
Oh my! I kept listening and he talks MORE about Ophiuchus!!!
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