Conditionalism Vs Eternal Torment Vs Universalism

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Boymaker2: Can we interpret John 17:24 as evidence that Christ wants us to see Him in Heaven, where His glory is on display, as opposed to the amillennial belief that we never inhabit Heaven before the Second Coming? Mar 4, 2021 18:15:02 GMT -6
bernie: Boymaker2, It may be implied in the verse, because if we don't get be there with Him before the Second Coming, there will be a 1000 year delay in it being fulfilled. I also like the way John MacArthur puts it; if Jesus doesn't come back for us first at... Mar 4, 2021 19:52:50 GMT -6
bernie: the Rapture, then we would be going to Heaven, just to come right back down for the Millennium. Doesn't make much sense to go up, only to come right back down. Then of course there's also the question of who are all those coming with Him. :) Mar 4, 2021 19:57:13 GMT -6 *
bernie: 'god of Chaos' asteroid to pass by Earth tomorrow: www.foxnews.com/science/god-of-chaos-asteroid-to-pass-by-earth-this-week Mar 4, 2021 20:09:24 GMT -6
bernie: SpaceX Starship lands upright, then explodes in latest test: abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory/3rd-times-charm-spacex-starship-nails-landing-test-76237968?cid=clicksource_4380645_3_heads_hero_live_headlines_hed Mar 4, 2021 20:14:04 GMT -6
Boymaker2: Bernie: JMac is a bit of a unicorn because he is full on Pre-Trib, Pre-mill. R.C. Sproul, reformed, was a partial preterist and I was surprised that people who take Scripture literally in any other way, would deny the Rapture Mar 4, 2021 20:50:07 GMT -6
bernie: Boymaker2, I don't know anything about R.C. and very little about John, but I have listened to a number of his messages, mostly the ones on the Rapture. I thought they were very good. The up/down line kind of stuck with me. Mar 4, 2021 21:35:33 GMT -6
EnochWalked: www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-56286719 "'Hovering ship' photographed off Cornish coast by walker". Perhaps that's some sort of sign. Nothing is impossible for God. Mar 5, 2021 10:30:05 GMT -6
EnochWalked: www.nature.com/articles/s41598-020-79310-1 "A facial recognition algorithm was applied to ... images of ... faces. ... Political orientation was correctly classified in 72% of liberal–conservative face pairs". Maybe religion next. Mar 5, 2021 10:33:40 GMT -6
bernie: Are COVID-19 vaccines the key to world power?: www.jpost.com/health-science/are-covid-19-vaccines-the-key-to-world-power-660994 Mar 5, 2021 10:34:07 GMT -6
bernie: Netanyahu tells Kamala Harris he won't let Iran obtain nuclear weapons: www.jpost.com/breaking-news/kamala-harris-congratulates-netanyahu-on-vaccine-success-in-phone-call-661032 Mar 5, 2021 10:36:35 GMT -6
bernie: EW, that's a strange one, a "superior mirage" why haven't seen those before? Mar 5, 2021 10:52:07 GMT -6
EnochWalked: Thanks bernie. Perhaps an interesting connection between the two stories is this sentence from the first article: "A similar dialogue played out in Egypt, where Russia is already invested in developing a nuclear power plant." Mar 5, 2021 10:53:41 GMT -6
EnochWalked: Apparently "superior mirages" require polar conditions, and there don't tend to be many ships in those places, I guess. Wikipedia has a few more examples: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirage#Superior_mirage Maybe this will become more common. Mar 5, 2021 11:00:07 GMT -6
bernie: EW, that is interesting, that's the first time I've heard anything about a nuclear program in Egypt. Mar 5, 2021 11:13:26 GMT -6
bernie: EW, soon signs and wonders will become common as well. Matt 24:24, 2 Thes 2:9 Mar 5, 2021 12:24:03 GMT -6 *
bernie: Israeli: 'We are ready to fight' Iran & Hezbollah – IDF is now finalizing targets and strike packages: www.allisrael.com/israeli-defense-minister-we-are-ready-to-fight-iran-and-hezbollah-idf-is-now-finalizing-targets-and-strike-packages Mar 5, 2021 12:28:09 GMT -6 *
EnochWalked: www.livescience.com/wwii-nuns-murdered-by-russian-army.html "Skeletons of WWII-era nuns murdered by Soviets unearthed in Poland. Religious objects, such as crucifixes and medallions, helped experts identify the victims." (Caution: includes image). Mar 5, 2021 14:34:30 GMT -6
EnochWalked: www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56281983 "World's oldest known wild bird has another chick at age of 70". There might be something symbolic to that story too. Mar 5, 2021 14:36:12 GMT -6
bernie: US: Our Middle East allies don't get blank check to oppose US interests: www.jpost.com/middle-east/us-our-middle-east-allies-dont-get-blank-check-to-oppose-us-interests-661092 Mar 5, 2021 20:17:55 GMT -6
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