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Post by mike on Jul 25, 2017 7:11:13 GMT -6
This seems to line up with what several others (on-line & YouTube) are suggesting about the coming trans-human "mixing" of human DNA with computer "DNA" which may very well be the Mark of the Beast. If God will be using our DNA to change us and make our mortal, immortal then it is quite possible those who accept the Mark by modifying their DNA will no longer be redeemable
Rev 14:9-12 "9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive [his] mark in his forehead, or in his hand, 10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: 11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name. 12 Here is the patience of the saints: here [are] they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus."
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Post by delo63 on Jul 25, 2017 7:18:31 GMT -6
if you think about it God's been planning the rapture since creation. So im sure He has a plan to do it all at once no matter what happened to the body. Also I think you might be on to something with the dead bodies, wouldn't the earthquake in the 6th seal, be a convenient cleaning mechanism for that. Since I believe the 6th seal and the rapture are at the same time or about the same time, then this would make some sense. It would also help with the alien theory, because they could say we were zapped or something.
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Post by whatif on Jul 25, 2017 9:48:58 GMT -6
Is it possible the rapture event actually causes the great earthquake of the 6th Seal? Would the great force of the dead being pulled from their graves and the living being swept off the earth be something that could cause every mountain and island to be removed from its place and the heavens to recede like a scroll being rolled up? Here's the passage from Revelation 6:12-17, describing the events:
I watched as he opened the sixth seal. There was a great earthquake. The sun turned black like sackcloth made of goat hair, the whole moon turned blood red, and the stars in the sky fell to earth, as figs drop from a fig tree when shaken by a strong wind. The heavens receded like a scroll being rolled up, and every mountain and island was removed from its place. Then the kings of the earth, the princes, the generals, the rich, the mighty, and everyone else, both slave and free, hid in caves and among the rocks of the mountains. They called to the mountains and the rocks, “Fall on us and hide usf from the face of him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! For the great day of theirg wrath has come, and who can withstand it?”
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Post by watchmanjim on Jul 26, 2017 0:21:35 GMT -6
WELLLLLLL, that goes back to our post about "Forcible vs. Ethereal" as to what type of rapture it is. Forcible would leave a trail of wreckage through whatever stood in the way.
But I don't think this is the case. When Jesus rose from the dead (and He is our firstfruits), He melded out of the grave without opening it. (or breaking it, evidently). We know this because the angel actually rolled the stone away to show the women that the grave was empty. Jesus did not roll the stone away himself.
BUT....
What about the ground collapsing under its own weight when the sediments that USED TO BE dead bodies suddenly disappear?
Now in a normal cemetery, that might not be a very big deal. But consider the flood of Noah. . . . . . . . . .
And the fact that millions of skeletons of animals have been found in some places as fossils in a very dense pack where the flood waters swirled them all around and deposited them thickly, such as in the marle beds around Charleston South Carolina and other such places------
Now suppose, what if there happens to be a place on earth where all the God-trusting people before the flood buried their dead--like, all in one place. . . . and it got covered up with mud from the flood.....many hundreds of feet deep....and then the mud turned to rock.....
All the pre-flood saints will be raptured too, from what I understand, unless God already did it somehow!
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Post by paul on Jul 26, 2017 8:08:23 GMT -6
Wow Emily, I was just contemplating on these things lately as well. I also made a post in "The Babylon will be judged" thread about the coming mega-quake and the resurrection of the dead. I've been thinking of the sequence of the events that is going to happen during resurrection/rapture.
According to Mathew 27 the sequence of the resurrection of saints is follows:
1) Earthquake
2) Opening of the tombs
3) Raising of the dead
4) Coming out of the tombs
5) Appearing to many
Then according to Paul (1 Cor 15 & 1 Thes 4) the sequence of the resurrection and rapture is follows:
1) Coming down of the Lord
2) Voice of the Archangel/Trumpet of God (Shaking & Earthquake)
3) Raising of the dead
4) Changing of alive
5) Rapture of both
There is probably a time frame between some of those events. During the upcoming resurrection some of the raised might appear even as the OT saints appeared to many as well Jesus appeared to many. I also believe that the resurrection of the dead and the changing of the alive (not rapture) will happen at once as the power of Christ’s resurrection is going to be released by God and shake the whole earth as well as heaven.
Isaiah prophesied: “I will make a mortal rarer than fine gold, A man more than the golden wedge of Ophir. Therefore, I will shake the heavens, And the earth will move out of her place, In the wrath of the LORD of hosts and in the day of His fierce anger…” Could this “making mortal rarer then fine gold” speaks of the Lord giving us new bodies?
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Post by watchmanjim on Jul 26, 2017 9:21:15 GMT -6
Maybe! I hand't thought of it that way, but you could be onto something. I had thought that was a spiritual refinement, but it could be physical! Or both.
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Post by EmilyJean on Jul 27, 2017 12:20:33 GMT -6
Hi everyone, I'm so sorry for not getting back sooner, but I thank each one of you for your replies. Very interesting about the DNA and the RNA, although I do not know much about it. I believe God can resurrect us no matter how we have died, weather it be by fire, airplane or auto crash or eaten by a beast, He is God, He create us therefore He can put us back together again. Perhaps in a spirit form. The people that were raised from the dead right after Jesus' crucifixion, where do you think they went to?
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Post by watchmanjim on Jul 27, 2017 23:52:29 GMT -6
Hi everyone, I'm so sorry for not getting back sooner, but I thank each one of you for your replies. Very interesting about the DNA and the RNA, although I do not know much about it. I believe God can resurrect us no matter how we have died, weather it be by fire, airplane or auto crash or eaten by a beast, He is God, He create us therefore He can put us back together again. Perhaps in a spirit form. The people that were raised from the dead right after Jesus' crucifixion, where do you think they went to? I've been wondering that same question! Are they in heaven now, in glorified bodies? |
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Post by paul on Jul 28, 2017 2:55:31 GMT -6
Hi everyone, I'm so sorry for not getting back sooner, but I thank each one of you for your replies. Very interesting about the DNA and the RNA, although I do not know much about it. I believe God can resurrect us no matter how we have died, weather it be by fire, airplane or auto crash or eaten by a beast, He is God, He create us therefore He can put us back together again. Perhaps in a spirit form. The people that were raised from the dead right after Jesus' crucifixion, where do you think they went to? I believe that the 24 elders are the representation of OT saints who are raised with Jesus. The same way the 24 priests represented the nation of Israel in God's Temple. (1 Chronicles 24) The Temple on earth was a shadow of the Heavenly Temple. In Hebrew 11 Paul talks about OT heroes of faith and then call them the "cloud of witnesses" (Heb 12:1). That cloud went with Jesus to Heaven. I always wondered how could those that are burned in fire be resurrected. There are some verses which say that the Lord uses natural body to bring the new one. When apostle Paul talked about the resurrection of the dead he compared a natural body to a seed. (1 Cor 15) A seed has interesting quality. It could be 1,000 years old, but the moment you put in into a water it starts to grow. The human bones could be this seed. The bones don't decompose and lay in the ground for thousand of years like a seed, but the moment the Spirit of God (water) enters them a new body stars to grow. Ezekiel 37 is a good picture of it. If the state and location of bones don't matter then why patriarchs were so careful about it and wanted their bones to be buried in the Promised Land. |
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Post by watchmanjim on Jul 28, 2017 3:06:52 GMT -6
Good thoughts, Paul!
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Post by paul on Jul 28, 2017 3:57:36 GMT -6
I was thinking about Ezekiel 37 and the resurrection of the dead and then this thought came to me: “Ezekiel 38 & 39 come after 37”, so the war of Gog and Magog could take place after the resurrection. If we draw the parallel with Revelation 12 then we can see that after the birth of the male child, there was a war in heaven. Could this war in heaven between Michael and satan be the war of Gog and Magog that happens on Earth. Ezekiel saw this war on earth but John in heaven... The angel told Daniel that Michael is the prince of Israel…
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Post by paul on Jul 28, 2017 9:38:06 GMT -6
There is interesting parallel between Matthew 27:53 and Ezekiel 37:12. In the first instance saints entered the holy city after coming out of the tombs. In Ezekiel God's people entered the land of Israel. The traditional interpretation of Ezekiel 37 is that it speaks about regathering of the nation of Israel in 1948 after the Holocaust. That might be a symbolic meaning, but the literal meaning of the prophecy is the coming resurrection of the dead. The "whole house of Israel" that Ezekiel talks about could be the male-child of Rev 12. The "whole house of Israel" might include Gentile believers/Church. I am not talking about the natural Israel but the spiritual. Paul said: "they [are] not all Israel who [are] of Israel nor [are they] all children because they are the seed of Abraham; but, 'In Isaac your seed shall be called.'"
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Post by watchmanjim on Jul 28, 2017 10:34:07 GMT -6
I'm pretty sure that the dry bones passage has MULTIPLE true meanings intended. At one time, I came up with at least 4 applications I felt were probably valid, including the ones you mentioned.
I'm glad you brought it up. Have you read "The great Gog thread" yet?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2017 16:11:55 GMT -6
Paul,
Good stuff! I can totally buy into the idea that Michael and the angels is a heavenly war governing the spirits of people/nations on earth, both good and evil. I've been doing a lot of homework on what ' the whole house of Israel means' and that verse of 'they are not all Israel who are of Israel'. I used to think that it meant there was evil ones silently treading within it. But I'm coming to see that I believe it means that the Spiritual Israel is not comprised of all of the physical Israel...which makes sense because we know that there are believing Hebrew people and unbelieving Hebrew people. In the rapture - believing/saved Hebrews and Gentiles would go- so that would be spiritual Israel. Jacob is the physical Israel(Hebrews reunited of Judah-southern kingdom and Ephraim(or OT Israel)-Northern kingdom that has their eyes open for them in the tribulation begins. That is why it's called Jacob's trouble.
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Post by watchmanjim on Jul 29, 2017 21:58:05 GMT -6
I've found some astounding things lately about Israel's return to the land. Remember the occurrence of the # 33 in the eclipse? Well I checked all the books of the Bible that have a chapter 33 (there are 10, I believe) and I found that in at least 5 of them there was clear speaking about Israel going into the land. And not just Judah returning, but of the whole house of Israel going into the land. This is especially true in the Penteteuch (Genesis, Exodus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy) and Jeremiah. Isaiah, II Chronicles, Job and Psalms had some possible relevance, and Ezekiel 33 is a somber chapter about the watchman.
I think the eclipse is a warning to those Israelites living in America, to get out and move to Israel immediately.
I probably should start another thread about this. . . .
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