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Post by yardstick on Jul 9, 2017 22:28:36 GMT -6
So... there appears to be some debate in the sense of some wondering or speculating on candidates for the AC. It occurred to me, that for those who believe the AC will be of Assyrian descent (or anyone else for that matter), that it might be interesting to see if there is a genealogy available of some of the 'suspects'. Therefore, I started with everyone's favorite knowledge base - wikipedia (no sarcasm font in here yet), in an attempt to dig up information on a certain French fellow (considering the many statements he has made). I thought a sound strategy would be to see if there was anyone in his direct (recent or otherwise) lineage (male OR female) of middle-eastern/Turkish/Assyrian descent. I typed up his name in a search engine and found a website which traces lineage... voila (no diacritic, but pun intended)... he was there. However, there is MUCH more information (read: rabbit trails) than I have time to research. Is there someone out there who has a bit of time and know-how for a task like this? I realize that this may end up being a fruitless exercise, but for someone who enjoys this kind of thing, maybe it would be worth their while? gw.geneanet.org/gntstarmacrone?lang=en&pz=emmanuel+jean+michel+frederic&nz=macron&ocz=0&p=emmanuel+jean+michel+frederic&n=macronby clicking each ancestor name, you can see their ancestry too. |
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Post by whatif on Jul 9, 2017 23:09:46 GMT -6
Hi, yardstick! I would be happy to see what I can help with! Sounds like an interesting investigation!
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Post by watchmanjim on Jul 9, 2017 23:14:24 GMT -6
Ive done a bunch of genealogy research at times, and although it is both fun, entertaining, and educational, there is the danger that at EVERY or ANY link in the chain, the information could be false. Especially when you get back a ways. One false link makes everything before it false, too. So-- have fun, but just be aware of that fact.
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Post by whatif on Jul 9, 2017 23:34:54 GMT -6
One thing to note while considering the antichrist as "the Assyrian": The term may not necessarily refer to the antiChrist's ancestry, but may be someone who comes to power over that region--perhaps like the 4 generals who took over Alexander the Great's empire after his death. Syria was the traditional King of the North (and Egypt the traditional King of the South) in Daniel's chapter about those kings. I find it fascinating that Syria is currently such a hot spot, so I am keeping an eye on the region!
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Post by whatif on Jul 9, 2017 23:43:22 GMT -6
Gary shared a great article about Macron in which a historic figure, "Ptolemy Macron," was mentioned. Here is also some information from BibleHub.com regarding him:
MACRON
ma'-kron (Makron>): Ptolemy Macron who had been appointed by Ptolemy Philmetor VI governor of Cyprus and deserted to Antiochus Epiphanes, king of Syria (2 Maccabees 10:12;). Under Antiochus he was governor of Coele-Syria and Phoenicia (2 Maccabees 8:8). In 1 Maccabees 3:38 and 2 Maccabees 4:45 he is called "Ptolemy the son of Dorymenes." At first he was a fierce and cruel enemy of the Jews and was one of those chosen by Lysias to destroy Israel and reduce Judas Maccabee (same place). Later he apparently relented toward the Jews (2 Maccabees 10:12), fell into disfavor with Antiochus Eupator, before whom he was accused by the king's friends, and was so galled by being constantly called traitor that he ended his life with poison (2 Maccabees 10:13).le in the lowest course of masonry, which may possibly communicate with the western cave. Into this the Jews of Hebron are accustomed to thrust many written prayers and vows to the patriarchs.
S. Angus
Source: "Macron," Bible Hub, 2004-2016, biblehub.com/topical/m/macron.htm
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Post by whatif on Jul 9, 2017 23:49:06 GMT -6
Ive done a bunch of genealogy research at times, and although it is both fun, entertaining, and educational, there is the danger that at EVERY or ANY link in the chain, the information could be false. Especially when you get back a ways. One false link makes everything before it false, too. So-- have fun, but just be aware of that fact. That is so true, watchmanjim! I have a writing project that I began in about 2011, and in my research for it I've frequently been looking into family trees (from the 18th Century and centuries prior). There are some really great sources of information for historical study, but even in those great sources can be errors. |
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Post by yardstick on Jul 10, 2017 20:28:53 GMT -6
One thing to note while considering the antichrist as "the Assyrian": The term may not necessarily refer to the antiChrist's ancestry, but may be someone who comes to power over that region--perhaps like the 4 generals who took over Alexander the Great's empire after his death. Syria was the traditional King of the North (and Egypt the traditional King of the South) in Daniel's chapter about those kings. I find it fascinating that Syria is currently such a hot spot, so I am keeping an eye on the region! Your point is well taken. I was considering approaching the project from the Sherlock Holmes standpoint: "...when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth..." (A. Conan Doyle) The idea being that the research is to eliminate the possibility, rather than try to prove the possibility. I hope this clarifies. |
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Post by whatif on Jul 10, 2017 23:49:02 GMT -6
Excellent, yardstick! I love being a history detective. I can't say I'm as brilliant as Holmes or Poirot, but I'm at least on par with Clouseau!
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Post by yardstick on Jul 11, 2017 21:16:28 GMT -6
Excellent, yardstick! I love being a history detective. I can't say I'm as brilliant as Holmes or Poirot, but I'm at least on par with Clouseau! I hope Miss Marple isn't feeling left out! haha |
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Post by whatif on Jul 11, 2017 22:48:46 GMT -6
Excellent, yardstick! I love being a history detective. I can't say I'm as brilliant as Holmes or Poirot, but I'm at least on par with Clouseau! I hope Miss Marple isn't feeling left out! haha   |
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Post by whatif on Jul 13, 2017 0:12:24 GMT -6
Hi, yardstick--just an update! I've taken a look so far at the male lines of Macron and Noguès and have discovered nothing to report.
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Post by yardstick on Jul 13, 2017 16:22:56 GMT -6
Hi, yardstick--just an update! I've taken a look so far at the male lines of Macron and Noguès and have discovered nothing to report. FWIW: I expect to find nothing. The Null Hypothesis is to accept him as a possibility. If we cannot prove otherwise (by finding nothing) we accept the Null Hypothesis and keep him on the list. The Null Hypothesis is generally assumed to be true (he is a valid candidate) until evidence indicates otherwise. The Alternative Hypothesis is to reject him as a possibility. If we find something, we reject the Null, and remove him from the list. I hope I said that correctly. Jargon used in inferential statistics can be convoluted. |
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