Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2017 17:09:36 GMT -6
Hey guys. I have a question. So, the seventh trumpet, it says Jesus is now king. Also, during the third bowl, the angel in charge of the waters calls God, 'The One who Is and Was', compared to 'The One who Was, Is, and Who Is Yet to Come'. This implies that God has came by the third bowl. So, what exactly happens at the seventh trumpet, if not the Glorious Appearing, that would cause God to come to Earth?
|
|
|
|
Post by watchmanjim on Jul 2, 2017 18:41:27 GMT -6
Hmm, interesting catch. I shall have to look at this!
|
|
|
|
Post by watchmanjim on Jul 2, 2017 18:45:43 GMT -6
Ok, so this is what it says: Rev 16:5 And I heard the angel of the waters say, Thou art righteous, O Lord, which art, and wast, and shalt be, because thou hast judged thus. So it does say "shall be" but not "is to come." It's an interesting thing to notice, but I don't think it is conclusive. To be conclusive, it might says something like, "which art, and wast, and hast come" but that isn't what it says, and also based on the rest of the context of Revelation, I don't think that is really what's happening. Good noticing, though!  |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2017 19:01:57 GMT -6
Huh. The ESV says:
And I heard the angel in charge of the waters say, "Just are you, O Holy One, who is and who was, for you brought these judgments.
Revelation 16:5
The NASB says:
And I heard the angel of the waters saying, "Righteous are You, who are and who were, O Holy One, because You judged these things;
Revelation 16:5
And the NIV says:
Then I heard the angel in charge of the waters say: “You are just in these judgments, O Holy One, you who are and who were;
Revelation 16:5
|
|
|
|
Post by watchmanjim on Jul 2, 2017 19:42:23 GMT -6
Well, not to start any kind of controversy, but this is one reason I tend to use the King James and other Bible translations made from the Textus Receptus. Here it is parsed out with the Strong's numbers:
Rev 16:5 AndG2532 I heardG191 theG3588 angelG32 of theG3588 watersG5204 say,G3004 Thou artG1488 righteous,G1342 O Lord,G2962 which art,G5607 andG2532 wast,G2258 andG2532 shalt be,G2071 becauseG3754 thou hast judgedG2919 thus.G5023
And so you see that according to E-Sword, in the textus receptus Greek, "shalt be" is represented by the Greek Word G2071, ἔσομαι , esomai, meaning "Future tense of G1510; will be: - shall (should) be (have), (shall) come (to pass), X may have, X fall, what would follow, X live long, X sojourn."
But I am not a Greek expert. I do know there are significant differences between the Alexandrian Texts used by the NIV, NASB, ESV, etc. and the Textus Receptus used in the King James, New King James, Greene's, and so on.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2017 19:49:44 GMT -6
Beloved, I looked up verse 16:5 in all the translations and found it interesting that some of them talk in the future tense and some do not. For what it is worth when I use Greens interlinear Bible, which uses the Greek, it says "and I heard the angel of the waters saying, Righteous Lord you are: he being, who was and who will be because these you judged: since blood of saints and of prophets they poured out and blood to them you gave to drink; deserving for they are."
Others may have something different. It's one of those things that "man I can't wait to go home and know these truths!"
|
|
|
|
Post by watchmanjim on Jul 2, 2017 19:52:05 GMT -6
I have one of Green's Old Testament volumes. It is a good source to see the literal meaning of the given text.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2017 19:58:21 GMT -6
I bought a set of four both Old and new. It has helped settle a lot of arguments in our Bible study when we can see what the text really said. We found a place where our Bible said 'day of the Lord', and in actuality it says " the day of Christ" -Big difference in thought process!
|
|
