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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2017 17:38:20 GMT -6
Hi, I have a question about Revelation 12 sign in September, for those who have seriously studied it.
My question is about 9 stars in Leo.
In order for this sign in the sky to be Revelation 12 sign, there has to be 9 stars in Leo, because there are 3 additional wandering stars to make 12 in total. How certain are you, and why, that Leo is composed of 9 stars? Some read main Leo sign as having 9 stars, some as 10 stars, some as 12, 15 etc...
What are the main reasons why we can accept main Leo sign as having 9 stars?
Did Jews from first century accepted it as such also?
Thanks for reply.
Henry
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Post by whatif on Jul 1, 2017 17:54:21 GMT -6
Welcome to the forum, henrym! It's a pleasure to meet you! I remember that we do have some answers to your question, and I will try to locate the thread so I can determine where to direct you for reading the posts.
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Post by whatif on Jul 1, 2017 18:01:19 GMT -6
Hi again, henrym! Here's a link to the thread in which the number of stars in Leo was mentioned. Gary wrote a great article regarding the Revelation 12 sign, and the subject of Leo comes up in his first post at #7.
unsealed.boards.net/thread/134/ask-revelation-12
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2017 19:18:11 GMT -6
Hi whatif, thank you for the link, I just read it.
It's good answer (point 7), maybe not ultimately decisive, but still good. I realize that a quick google search mostly shows Leo as 9 stars, though I don't know if that's good evidence on it's own. If first century Jews saw Leo as constellation with 9 main stars, that would be even better.
But this year is already full of markers, and it's already July, so, it's all good.
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Post by watchmanjim on Jul 1, 2017 21:48:43 GMT -6
Welcome, Henry.
I'll put it this way. Before I ever knew about the sign, I always saw Leo's 9 main stars every time I saw the lion in the sky. Sure, there were other stars around, but I never saw them as part of the outline or part of the picture of Leo. The 9 stars were the ones that jumped out at me. The rest were all superfluous. And that was long before I knew it was going to come into question.
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Post by Gary on Jul 1, 2017 23:13:35 GMT -6
Welcome to the board Henry!
I've written on the this topic a few times. I'll see if I can point you to those articles.
In short: there are a lot of different depictions of Leo with different numbers of stars, but here are my reasons:
1. The 9 star arrangement is by far the most common arrangement. It's in most astronomy programs, books, star charts, websites, etc. If this sign is for our day, any other number of stars would confuse those watching.
2. Those 9 stars are the common denominator across all depictions and ancient cultures. Egypt had 10, Babylon had perhaps 13 or more, etc... But those 9 are in every picture.
3. I've been stargazing the last few months and on clear nights I only see those exact 9 stars. Pretty amazing. The three stars in the take and the 6 stars in the front and sickle.
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Post by watchmanjim on Jul 2, 2017 11:27:59 GMT -6
The 9 stars do make the same shape as a lion "lying" in the Sphinx position. Evidence seems to indicate the Sphinx's human head was carved later after its original lion head was partially destroyed. If so, the original lion statue would have been made as an indicator of Leo, perhaps in conjunction with the locations of the pyramids (Orion's belt, etc.).
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2017 13:28:46 GMT -6
Hi Jim and Gary, and thank you for welcoming me.
You both provided an answer I didn't anticipate, and which is very sound - that when you physically watch constellation at night, it's most obvious as 9 stars. That's great. Coupled with other reasons, it makes it set.
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