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Post by kjs on Jun 16, 2017 12:31:57 GMT -6
Came across something today surprised me a bit ….
harpazó: to seize, catch up, snatch away
Now we have all seen the standard definition (as displayed above) ….
BUT
Who has seen the further definitions (as seen below) to take by an open display of force (i.e. not covertly or secretly).
Boy – reading that gave me some goose bumps …
The harpazó (Rapture) event is not going to be done quietly (or under the cover of night) …. Sounds like it is going to be pretty spectacular…….
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Post by whatif on Jun 16, 2017 12:33:55 GMT -6
Astounding, kjs! Where'd you find the definition? This is amazing!
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Post by kjs on Jun 16, 2017 12:42:34 GMT -6
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Post by whatif on Jun 16, 2017 13:18:23 GMT -6
Excellent! I forget which thread it was in, but somewhere here we were speculating about whether the world would see any part of the rapture event. This definition you linked to adds some food for thought to the subject!
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Post by Gary on Jun 16, 2017 13:39:12 GMT -6
Oh yes! The Son of Man will appear in the clouds in full unbridled glory and the earth will tremble and then we will be caught up. If you want to see something comparable look at Exodus 19:10-19:
The difference this time is that the Lord's appearing will not just affect one mountain, but the whole earth. For Believers this intense and awe-inspiring moment will fill us with joy and anticipation, but unbelievers will be filled with fear.
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Harpazó
Jun 16, 2017 13:52:14 GMT -6
Post by whatif on Jun 16, 2017 13:52:14 GMT -6
Awesome, Gary!
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Post by findtruth on Jun 16, 2017 15:12:37 GMT -6
And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand? Revelation 6:12-17 KJV bible.com/1/rev.6.12-17.KJVOne interpretation is that the pre trib rapture could take place before the 6 th seal.a great earthquake takes place and the people left are hiding in the rocks and caves. The harpazo, catching away, is not a secret rapture. I believe that the whole world will realize that people are missing. The great deception will take place at this point and many people will believe' the lie's.
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Harpazó
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Post by disciple4life on Oct 2, 2019 23:12:45 GMT -6
Hello Findtruth. Interesting post. I do realize you mentioned that it is the interpretation/ belief by some that the rapture could take place before the 6th seal. The issue I have with this, is that those hundreds of watchmen, would not only be watching, but we would have a countable list of events in sequence. This hasn't happened. It's not just a huge earthquake, or a bloodmoon, or just another war in the middle east. I'm not dogmatic about the event, but there will be some huge trigger, - some earth-changing event that starts the Tribulation. The world won't just wake up one day and then realize we are 5 weeks into the tribulation. I myself believe that the harpazo itself is the catalyst. - The trigger of all triggers. This is also supported by JD Farag and other end times experts. Why doesn't Israel's greatest ally - the US help? One very convincing reason is that the US has one of the largest populations of Christians, along with China and S Korea. China and S Korea are not Allies of Israel. There would be tens of thousands of military officers, police officers, pilots, generals, admirals and congressmen/women all missing. The world's greatest superpower will be in total hysteria and anarchy as the world's stock markets plummet, and the world economic market collapses in a few hours.
In Muslim and atheist countries like Czech Republic and Iraq, Syria, Russia,, etc, there won't be the widespread panic and hysteria because the number of missing will be so small, and in those places, Christians are already marginalized/ persecuted. [They not widely represented in Government or leadership].
As for the secret rapture part. - There are different takes on this. Some think the rapture will be a total secret/ - *** "like a thief in the night" for believers. This view is not only in direct opposition to what scripture says repeatedly, but it's the same logic as saying a woman who is 2 months pregnant "Hang on, Susan, the baby could come any minute." Paul explicitly says to the Christians in Thessalonica, - and the context is exhorting the believers to Holiness in light of Christ's second Advent [All the event of his 2nd Advent- rapture, tribulation, and 2nd coming] that 'you - the believers, are not children of darkness. You will not be surprised. *** The Thief in the Night was a well-known Hebrew idiom for the High Priest who would go through the Temple guard at night to see who fell asleep on watch.
If one was sleeping, the priest would like his clothes on fire, and the guard would be forced to throw off his clothes and run into the courtyard naked.
We see this very same thing in the parable of the Ten Bridesmaids. The scripture says explicitly regarding the 5 foolish- (some translations say wicked bridemaids) The Groom speaking to the foolish ones, - You did not know the hour. Not watching. This is also a rapture passage. The Groom comes at midnight with a shout. [YOM TERUAH - Day of Shouting, Feast of Trumpets, literally shouting] It was clear that there were signs that he was coming. Every one hearing clearly understood Hebrew wedding traditions.
Also, the Feasts are 'moadim' literally 'appointed times, rehearsal'. And Christ said himself very directly that he would return at the "appointed time'.
The first four feasts occur in the Spring, and these four are inseparable connected to his First Advent. Birth, death, crucifixion and resurrection. All four were fulfilled in perfect order and perfect precision. The last three feast occur in the fall and are inseparably connected with his second Advent. Revelation says clearly that at the end of the age, all the nations will celebrate Sukkot - Feast of Booths. The next one in order is Feast of Trumpets, followed by Day of Atonement.
Daniel uses this exact phrase multiple times in direct context of end times/ prophesy "appointed time'. When we see that the tribulation is the time of Jacob's trouble [Jacob is Isreal] it makes perfect sense.
Maranatha. Come quickly Lord Jesus. We're watching and waiting
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