Post by schooldad3 on Apr 17, 2022 22:44:19 GMT -6
Last September I posted on this detailing some of the more major incidents of christian leaders or institutes departing from the faith. This video provides an excellent illustration of what is happening.
Post by stormyknight on Apr 18, 2022 9:23:28 GMT -6
schooldad3 , I found this to be a quite feasible explanation. I know there has been a lot of back an forth about "the apostasy", but we know from scripture that there should be at least two witnesses to prove a thing to be true. I am convinced that Daniel 8:23 is the other witness to 2 Thess. 2:3. "In the latter part of their reign, when the rebellion has reached its full measure, an insolent king, skilled in intrigue, will come to the throne.". The word used for "rebellion" in this passage is also translated as "transgressors" in others, which is ok. The definitions fits either way. פָשַׁע - to rebel, transgress But Strong's Exhaustive Concordance also says: offend, rebel, revolt, transgression, A primitive root (identical with pasa' through the idea of expansion); to break away (from just authority), i.e. Trespass, apostatize, quarrel -- offend, rebel, revolt, transgress(-ion, -or). I've read that Daniel's passage refers to things that have already happened because the Angel Gabriel explains that the little horn on this goat is the King of Greece a.k.a. Alexander the Great whose kingdom was split into four, just like the prophecy says. But the verse I quoted above, "in the latter part of their reign,..." shows that those kingdoms will still be in existence when Jesus returns as it says that "an insolent king" will come to the throne that will fight against the Prince of Princes, who, of course, is Jesus Christ. Daniel 11 plays out the scenario of The King of the North and The King of the South. Are these not rooted in the the four kingdoms from Greece? Rome overcame Greece, yes, but, aren't there still remnants of the Greek kingdoms in the world today? Remnants that will be ruled over by "an insolent king".
I know this sounds like I'm going against pre-trib or whatever, but I'm not. I know the verse in 2 Thess. 2 is used to show the rapture, but I disagree. I don't know when the rapture will occur, but I do know the church will be protected from God's wrath. How He does that is His business. I'm just saying that, YES, there is a great falling away going on right now. It can't be denied when you look at church attendance and polls of whether people believe or not. People are turning away from God and the true believers in droves. Time is getting shorter by the day now. As Gary wrote in his recent article, the birth pain we are in right now has not let up. Perhaps we will be "crowning" soon!
Peace to all!
"Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life." John 5:24
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