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Post by schooldad3 on Oct 20, 2021 12:51:18 GMT -6
Daniel 7 is a vision of 4 successive empires that were to rise up in the middle east. Out of the 4th empire, 10 powers ( horns ) were to rise up with a little horn rising up among them uprooting 3 of the 10 as it rises to power. Understanding the 4th empire to be Islam and the 10 powers that rose up out of the fall of Islam after WW1, we may be on the cusp of watching 3 horns being up rooted. Iraq, Syria, and Lebanon.. If so, this uprooting would be a harbinger of the rapture.
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Post by rondonmonson on Oct 25, 2021 1:35:30 GMT -6
Daniel 7 is a vision of 4 successive empires that were to rise up in the middle east. Out of the 4th empire, 10 powers ( horns ) were to rise up with a little horn rising up among them uprooting 3 of the 10 as it rises to power. Understanding the 4th empire to be Islam and the 10 powers that rose up out of the fall of Islam after WW1, we may be on the cusp of watching 3 horns being up rooted. Iraq, Syria, and Lebanon.. If so, this uprooting would be a harbinger of the rapture. Firstly, the 4th Empire is not Islam, and Islam has zero to do with any of the Beasts. The First Beast from Daniel's time, (Egypt and Assyria were Beasts before Babylon) was Babylon, the 2nd Beast was Persia, the 3rd Beast was Greece and the Fourth Beast was Rome. The 5th Beast arises out of the Fourth Beasts head amongst the 10 (which means COMPLTNESS, not 10, see references below) 1.) The 10 Commandments are a stand in for all God's Laws. 2.) The Church of Smyrna were told they would have tribulation for 10 days in Rev. 2:10, that means for the complete church age, not 10 days. 3.) The 10 Virgin Brides = All Christendom. 4.) The 144,000 are not all Male Virgin Jews, just like the 10 Brides are not all female virgins (virgin means in Christ we are made pure), that is a CODE for All Israel just like the Woman in Rev. 12 is a CODE via Gen. 37:9. The CODE is simply telling us this: 12 = Fulness and 10 = Completeness thus 12 x 12 x 10 x 10 x 10 = 144,000 or God SHOUTING, this is my FULL and COMPLETE Israel who have repented as Zechariah 13:8-9 says 1/3 of the Jews will do. So, 10 means Completeness, there are many more scriptures that show this, any time God TIMES something by 10 or 7 it means COMPLETENESS, for instance the 10,000 x 10,000 = All the Hosts of Heaven. So, here in Daniel, we do not have 10 actual toes nor 10 actual horn nations, what we have is a Splintered/Fractured (Iron & Clay) Roman Empire (Europe) which fell at the hands of a Mortal Wound that the Church delivered, the church which the gates of hell could not overcome. Thus the Beast (7 Headed Figurative Beast which always referred to its Rule of the Mediterranean Sea Region AND Israel by a Gentile King) went away, and will stay away until the Church is Raptured, then it will reappear as the Little Horn who ARISES amongst the 10 (Divided Europe which are MANY NATIONS who rule as ONE ENTITY thus partly strong and partly weak, Germany and France has strength, Bosnia and Poland are the weak portions etc. etc.) and who the 10 (Europe who are over 25 nations) will freely give their power over unto. Thus the 10 are Europe, this man has to be born in Greece (Dan. 8:9) and he has to come to power in Europe (Dan. 7:7-8). He will also be an Assyrian(Turk) by blood. So, he's born in Greece, probably via Turkish parents who have a common border with Greece, it could be Northern Iraq or Syrian parents, but Turkey and Greece have a common border and for centuries they have pretty much been able to migrate for few miles in each direction as neighbors who get along. So, he is born in Greece via Assyrian heritage (Isaiah 10) and then comes to power in Europe (the 10) as Daniel 7:7-8 says. Islam will be wiped out by this Anti-Christ.
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Post by schooldad3 on Oct 26, 2021 9:15:28 GMT -6
In Daniel 10 we see that the vision was so powerful that the enemy tried to keep it from being told. But now that it is told, the only way to thwart it is to so confusion into it. Rondomonson has played his dutiful role in furthering the confusion. While people can be entitled to their own opinion they are not entitled to their own facts. My wife recently stated ( having grown up in the middle east ) that the problem people in the west have with bible prophecy is that they do not know the history of the area that the prophecies came to us in. I have given up ( even with the leadership of this site ) thinking that people will rationally process what we have been doing. I have marketed our work into the middle east and the response is over whelming. We have received thousands of responses from all over the middle east and surrounding countries. Just in Gaza alone hundreds of people have responded .
Now regarding this site I realize that this is a place were people who have little to no biblical training can post just about anything that enters into their heads. In addition it is also clear that most posting on this site are not even involved in their local church. They have for whatever reason disconnected themselves from the fellowship of the saints and for some reason think they will be received into the fellowship of the saints in the eternal state. If they can not yield themselves to the basic requirements of regularly gathering with the saints and sitting under the preaching of the word what makes them think that they can handle the more complicated issues of bible prophecy? No matter ow bad the local church is nor how disabled i may be you could not keep me from gathering among the saints.
If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen? 1 John 4:20 KJV. We long to be with those whom we love.
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Post by fitz on Oct 26, 2021 12:20:44 GMT -6
This is way off topic, but since you went there....Possible reason: because the "local church" does not always equal the "fellowship of the saints". What you are referring to is most probably what I call a church building. First century Christians didn't gather in public buildings for fellowship, they gathered in their homes, and that's what many here do as well. But most "Christian" Americans go to "churches" that are really 501c3 corporations, social clubs where the pastor thinks he's a rock star and the congregants do too.
Denominations, division and detestable doctrines are all I ever saw in attending various church buildings over the past 42 years. I finally gave it up. Now I fellowship with many Christian brothers and sisters in various ways...in my home, others homes, through forums like this, etc.
Who said anything about hating their brother? I choose not to participate in what western Christians call church...because in my experience, it's a poor substitute for what the early church practiced, but I love all the brothers and sisters, because WE ARE the Church.
But I'll give you this, church buildings in America certainly are fertile ground...many of the folks attending weekly have yet to hear the gospel and believe it. Sadly, by and large, it isn't being preached.
Finally Brother, I'm sure you weren't inferring that church non-attendance is a salvation issue...because we both know well, it's nothing but the blood of Jesus, not our church attendance record, or anything else, right?
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Post by schooldad3 on Oct 26, 2021 22:02:18 GMT -6
So in other words you are one of the ones I am talking about.
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Post by fitz on Oct 27, 2021 3:45:00 GMT -6
Bingo.
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Post by mike on Oct 27, 2021 6:18:01 GMT -6
So in other words you are one of the ones I am talking about. Yes me too Brad. I echo everything fitz says except I dont have the 42 years of experience, mines a little less. Not sure what your goal was with your post. You seem to have an axe to grind with people like fitz & me and moreover the leadership of this site. Why are you here if feel this way about this forum and the people who have terrible experience with pastors and clergy claiming to be the church. My bible training was cult-like and led me away from the church and the Lord for many years. I am much better allowing the Holy Spirit to guide me at this point, while fellowshipping with like minded saints in my home, other homes and on sites like this one. If you have a problem with anyone you are supposed to bring that issue to the brother that offended you. Instead you placed a comment in a public forum chastising others who you dont ever interact with due to your inability to type. Most of what you do is post videos here, to which none of the leadership of the site has said anything to you about in any way shape or form. When RonDon posed a view that you didnt agree with, you chastised him and dragged a bunch of others into it. How do you know what youre even saying to others when you dont know them at all! You are free to not associate yourself with the unlearned on Unsealed, yet you choose to come back regularly. Judge yourself, not your brother Luke 6:42 EDIT - BTW Brad - I enjoy your content and research, just not the judgment
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Post by boraddict on Oct 27, 2021 13:41:37 GMT -6
schooldad3 , there will always be different interpretations of scripture but the ones that you present are first rate. So hats off from me that you have developed a good analysis and presented it in such an informative manner. I have heard the interpretation presented by rondonmonson , and it is commonplace. Not that it is wrong, but that it is a common interpretation that many agree with. Yours however is based upon historical facts and has credibility from that perspective. For example, rondonmonson presents the following: 1.) The 10 Commandments are a stand in fir all God's Laws. 2.) The Church of Smyrna were told they would have tribulation for 10 days in Rev. 2:10, that means for the complete church age, not 10 days. 3.) The 10 Virgin Brides = All Christendom. 4.) The 144,000 are not all Male Virgin Jews, just like the 10 Brides are not all female, that is a CODE for All Israel just like the Woman in Rev. 12 is a CODE via Gen. 37:9. The CODE us this 12 = Fulness and 10 = Completeness thus 12 x 12 x 10 x 10 x 10 = 144,000 or God SHOUTING, this is my FULL and COMPLETE Israel who have repented as Zechariah 13:8-9 says 1/3 of the Jews will do. Which by the way is not founded in science. Like, the virgin brides are all Christendom is purely speculative. Or the 144,000 has some code associated with it and again that is purely speculative. I often do the same type of thing in my work; speculation. What I like about your work is the historical links that you present that lends credibility to your conclusions. I have done multiple analysis upon Dan. Chapter 7 and never considered Islam until you presented that avenue of interpretation. So I take it all in stride and thank you for your insightful work that is so very good. Unsealed provides for me the place to interact with others about scripture. You said: Your work is wonderful and appreciated by many, thank you. Yes this site is a wonderful place where we can interact with one another. I myself do not attend a local church for my own reasons. And, the gospel provides that my relationship with the Savior is not a group event but personal. The argument that your desire to gather with the saints to hear the preaching of the word provides you with the ability to handle the more complicated issues of bible prophecy and therefore is a requirement for anyone who aspires to handle the more complicated issues of bible prophecy is weak. Case in point: If the tribe of Judah has Davidic Kings and the tribe of Judah exists today then the tribe of Judah has a Davidic King today. That is, to assume that the Savior was the last Davidic King in Judah when that tribe continued from the time of the Savior's mortal life until today is illogical. How does the basic requirements of regularly gathering with the saints and sitting under the preaching of the word prepare those people with the ability to answer this more complicated question as to whom the Davidic King is today? It can not! Logic dictates that from the time of King Saul to the time of Lord Jesus there was always a Davidic King in Judah. Thus, logic also dictates that from the time of Lord Jesus to our time there has always been a Davidic King in Judah. That is, from the time of the origination of Davidic Kings in Judah, there is a Davidic King in Judah today because Judah exists today. Simple logic, not regular meetings, that provides for more complicated issues in bible prophecy.Nevertheless, your work is absolutely wonderful.
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Post by schooldad3 on Oct 27, 2021 16:32:26 GMT -6
No believer is ever called to disconnect from the saints. Even in Sardis a church that had the reputation of being alive but was in reality dead still had those among them that had not soiled their garments. Yet they stayed. I have had more than my share of issues with the local church but never felt compelled to leave. The problems have run the gambit from pedophiles to but head elders to out right heretics. Yet I am called to serve the local body no matter how corrupt. Those of you who think that you have church at some house fellowship, friend gathering, or even this page show your true colors. You do not live in Saudi Arabia where there might a handful of believers in your area. Who are your elders , pastors, deacons, and so forth ? I do not come to this site to really learn anything. In fact much of what is posted here has little if anything to do with bible prophecy. If there was a post about a dream with flying monkeys with 666 on their foreheads it would get more hits than a well reasoned, historical, biblical presentation. I post with the intent of informing as many people as possible and calling all back to the fellowship of the local church. This ever increasing disengagement from the local body is part of the great apostasy and yes Mike I am judging. It is called discernment of which the leaders of this site are greatly lacking. Don't be so thin skinned.
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Post by Natalie on Oct 27, 2021 18:18:31 GMT -6
Everything on this board does not have to center around Bible prophecy. There are many other categories that people may post on.
Salvation is through Jesus not church attendance. Faith plus nothing else. Yes, I believe that believers should try and attend a fellowship with others. We aren't meant to do this alone. But worshiping together in a home is not disengagement from the body - it's disengagement from the apostasy in churches. It's a gathering of members of the body. And I am sure those that gather in homes know each other, know their needs, love each other, and become a close group. They aren't disconnecting from the saints. They are disconnecting from churches that are no longer teaching the truth. I've seen it in my area...they start following false teachers or try entertaining the masses (don't mention sin or people might leave). It's sad. Thankfully I live in a high populated area with many churches and have found a good solid church. Some are not so lucky. You don't know their circumstances.
I do not think it is wise (or biblical) to stay in a corrupt church just to serve other believers.
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Post by boymaker3 on Oct 27, 2021 19:54:06 GMT -6
No believer is ever called to disconnect from the saints. Even in Sardis a church that had the reputation of being alive but was in reality dead still had those among them that had not soiled their garments. Yet they stayed. I have had more than my share of issues with the local church but never felt compelled to leave. The problems have run the gambit from pedophiles to but head elders to out right heretics. Yet I am called to serve the local body no matter how corrupt. Those of you who think that you have church at some house fellowship, friend gathering, or even this page show your true colors. You do not live in Saudi Arabia where there might a handful of believers in your area. Who are your elders , pastors, deacons, and so forth ? I do not come to this site to really learn anything. In fact much of what is posted here has little if anything to do with bible prophecy. If there was a post about a dream with flying monkeys with 666 on their foreheads it would get more hits than a well reasoned, historical, biblical presentation. I post with the intent of informing as many people as possible and calling all back to the fellowship of the local church. This ever increasing disengagement from the local body is part of the great apostasy and yes Mike I am judging. It is called discernment of which the leaders of this site are greatly lacking. Don't be so thin skinned. You think you are spewing truth. You are being profoundly unkind. Venom is dripping from your posts. I don't know if you need prayer or bran, but you're not looking like anyone's brother right now. And that's ALL YOU.
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Post by schooldad3 on Oct 27, 2021 20:01:41 GMT -6
i do think i am telling the truth and that is profoundly kind.
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Post by mike on Oct 28, 2021 6:45:16 GMT -6
schooldad3 - thank you for your opinion. No thank you for your judgmental attitude towards brothers and sisters who you dont try to know or interact with. If you feel so strongly about this site and the people here, please focus your attention on areas you have borne fruit in not this wasteland of apostacy. Good bye Job 12:22, Ecc 12:14, Matt 7:1
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Post by rondonmonson on Nov 5, 2021 13:42:45 GMT -6
In Daniel 10 we see that the vision was so powerful that the enemy tried to keep it from being told. But now that it is told, the only way to thwart it is to so confusion into it. Rondomonson has played his dutiful role in furthering the confusion. While people can be entitled to their own opinion they are not entitled to their own facts. My wife recently stated ( having grown up in the middle east ) that the problem people in the west have with bible prophecy is that they do not know the history of the area that the prophecies came to us in. I have given up ( even with the leadership of this site ) thinking that people will rationally process what we have been doing. I have marketed our work into the middle east and the response is over whelming. We have received thousands of responses from all over the middle east and surrounding countries. Just in Gaza alone hundreds of people have responded . Now regarding this site I realize that this is a place were people who have little to no biblical training can post just about anything that enters into their heads. In addition it is also clear that most posting on this site are not even involved in their local church. They have for whatever reason disconnected themselves from the fellowship of the saints and for some reason think they will be received into the fellowship of the saints in the eternal state. If they can not yield themselves to the basic requirements of regularly gathering with the saints and sitting under the preaching of the word what makes them think that they can handle the more complicated issues of bible prophecy? No matter ow bad the local church is nor how disabled i may be you could not keep me from gathering among the saints. If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen? 1 John 4:20 KJV. We long to be with those whom we love. For starters brother, I have been a Christian for over 35 years, and was called unto Prophecy. I agree people should try to fellowship together, but in this time of COVID and Computers, those who choose to fellowship online are doing nothing wrong, we are to always uplift our brothers, not try to ping them and drag them down. So, you speaking about me not understanding these things, without knowing me, is kind of just you poking and hoping, because I not only have been called to preach for well over 35 years, but was called unto Prophecy. So why go there? Because you didn't want to try and overcome my pointed posts I guess, and are unwilling to debate it at all. I watched your video, I "HEARD" your opinion sir, and then I decided what to say juxtaposed against your very words. But you never answered one word that I espoused, you broke into "Accusations against the brotherhood" as if that pings me or good men on this site. But you have no idea about me or these brothers in reality sir, nor I you, and thus I challenge your words via debate, not you as a Christian. (I don't get that TBH). You want me to prove this Anti-Christ has to be born in Greece? Will you listen? Because if not I am just wasting my time. I was given this over 5 years ago now, by the Holy Spirit. And I never attribute anything unto the Holy Spirit until I know, that I know, that I know its from Him. (took me 30 years to get this by the way, because I don't just guess, God gives us things in His timing, not ours) A simple Four Way Directional Box
God gave us an easy way to discern where the Anti-Christ is from in Daniel 8:9: It is so simple it is foolproof. Daniel 8:9 And out of one of them(The four Generals Kingdoms) came forth a little horn(The Anti-Christ), which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land (Israel). Now in order to understand what he WAXES GREAT TOWARDS the South and the East means we just have to understand that the Anti-Christ Conquers Israel, so when we see he WAXES GREAT TOWARDS Israel (the Pleasant Land), that has to mean that he conquers all of these places in that particular direction when the verses speaks of him WAXES GREAT TOWARDS!! Because we know he conquers Israel, thus WAXES GREAT TOWARDS = Conquering. So, the Anti-Christ/Little Horn Conquers Israel, and he also Conquers in this "FOUR WAY DIRECTIOAL BOX" towards the East (Seleucus/Turkey) and towards the South (Ptolemy/Egypt). Thus, he has to conquer from the Northwest Corridor of this Four Way Directional Box God in His infinite wisdom has given unto us. It is a foolproof simple four way directional box that we can not get wrong, if we only listen unto the scriptures and not other men's interpretations of the scriptures. The above has a picture of the Four Kingdoms on a map, since I couldn't insert an Image, this works just as good. Look at it, you can see that Macedonia or Greece is to the Northwest (Cassander). So, this Anti-Christ Conquers TOWARDS the South (Egypt) and the East (Seleucus/Turkey) and towards Israel. Now turn to Daniel 11:40-43 and you can see that unfold, the King of the North conquers not only Israel but MANY NATIONS, including Egypt, AND countries he rolls through to get to Israel: Dan. 11:40 And at the time of the end shall the king of the south(Egypt and maybe also Turkey, they probably form a unification treaty) push at him: and the king of the north(Anti-Christ/the E.U.) shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, and with horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter into the countries, and shall overflow and pass over (So, BEFORE he conquers Israel he passes over or conquers other COUNTRIES, this would be Lebanon, Jordan, Syria, and IMHO, Turkey).
41 He shall enter also into the glorious land (Israel), and many countries shall be overthrown: (Not just Israel) but these shall escape out of his hand, even Edom, and Moab, and the chief of the children of Ammon. (This just so happens to be where the Petra/Bozrah sheepfold is at, where God protects the Jews who flee Judea after they repent.)
42 He shall stretch forth his hand also upon the countries: and the land of Egypt shall not escape. 43 But he shall have power over the treasures of gold and of silver, and over all the precious things of Egypt: and the Libyans and the Ethiopians shall be at his steps. (He Conquers all of North Africa)So, this Beast doesn't just conquer Israel but the whole Mediterranean Sea Region !! It is not Israel against the Muslim/Arab world, its the E.U. Anti-Christ, who is born in Greece, and thus is eligible to rise to power in the E.U. whereas none of the other nations would given him that birthright, but being born in Greece qualifies this evil tyrant to become the E.U. President/Leader etc. etc. Thus now Daniel 7:7-8 can also be fulfilled by this ONE MAN, he can Conquer from the Northwest of this Four Way Directional Box AND Conquer as the E.U. Leader. AND via his parents he can also be of Assyrian descent. He could be an American and be of Assyrian descent, we have New Yorkers who are of Italian decent, so the bloodline travels easily, but no American can be born in that Four Way Directional Box AND be the U.S. President !! Parameters matter sir, that is my point. He has to be born in Greece, and thus he is also eligible to be the E.U. President !! He conquers TOWARDS THE South and TOWARDS the East, God gives us the answer as pertaining to where he is born, in the Northwest Corridor of this simple Four Way Directional Box !! God makes it simple, we make it complex as humans, because as we all know humans are prideful. We sometimes get lost in our own thought processes. (Been there, done that, ) Now the big finale, why does God give us such a DETAILED RUNDOWN of every Greek King in Daniel 11? In Daniel 11 He also gives us the TYPE Anti-Christ in Antiochus Epiphanes, who had a False Prophet TYPE in Jason (real name Yeshua) who tried to Hellenize the Jews leading unto the Maccabean Revolt. God gives us this RUNDOWN because the Anti-Christ is a Greek born end time King/E.U. President, who arises out of BOTH Greece and Europe, because Greece winds up being one nation amongst many (10 = Completion) nations in the E.U. Partly strong and partly weak. Now, how about just making a counter argument sir, I was a dope addict from 9-23 and haven't even touched a beer in over 35 years, quit smoking, etc. etc. so I do not get the accusations against the brotherhood brother. Just try and overcome my points with facts. I will listen, like I did your video, but when the Holy Spirit gives me facts, which I had to wait on 30 plus years before I got them, I trust in His guidance sir. But I will listen anyway. God Bless
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Post by schooldad3 on Nov 11, 2021 13:59:20 GMT -6
call me any time. I have a partially dis abled hand try not to type to much. 925 848 7188
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