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Post by matthew2423 on Dec 26, 2020 18:02:17 GMT -6
Hello all, and I hope y'all had a Merry Christmas!
I saw a comment on the most recent post on the original Unsealed site that said that we may have to allow for a waiting period before the Rapture based upon the potential years of Christ's crucifixion. The earliest years, 27-28 AD (which my heart wishes would be true because I desperately want to be Raptured very soon), would allow for a September 2021-September 2022 Rapture date. The middle year, 30 AD (which my brain leads to because historical scholarship points to a 30 AD crucifixion year) puts the Rapture in September 2023-2024. Finally, the latest year, 33 AD (the more traditional year), allows for a September 2025-September 2026 Rapture date. Leading logically from the early date theory, the mid-point of the Tribulation in my opinion would be September 2024-September 2025, with the Second Coming of Christ in September 2028-September 2029, the Millennial Kingdom beginning in mid-December 2028-mid-December 2029 (with the dates between the Second Coming and the Millennium I allow for the 75-day period which I believe will rebuild the world after the destruction of the Tribulation), and the Great White Throne judgment (I believe this will be instantaneous) and the beginning of the new heavens and New Earth in mid-December 3028-mid-December 3029.. From the middle date theory, the mid-point of the Tribulation would be in September 2027-September 2028, with the Second Coming of Christ in September 2030-September 2031, the beginning of the Millennial Kingdom in mid-December 2030-mid-December 2031, and the Great White Throne judgment and the beginning of the new heavens and the New Earth in mid-December 3030-mid-December 3031. Finally, for the late year theory, I believe the mid-point of the Tribulation will be in September 2029-September 2030, the Second Coming of Christ in September 2032-September 2033, the beginning of the Millennial Kingdom in mid-December 2032-mid-December 2033, and the Great White Throne judgment and the beginning of the new heavens and the New Earth in mid-December 3032-mid-December 2033. Are there any thoughts from y'all on my expansion on the theory that was in the comment section of the most recent story on the Unsealed news site?
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Post by Gary on Dec 26, 2020 23:28:12 GMT -6
My current thinking is that Daniel's count of the first 69 weeks led to Christ's baptism/anointing by the Holy Spirit rather than the Triumphal Entry. Given that possibility, my hope is that this means Fall 2022 is some sort of limiting factor. Maybe even Spring 2022 if we regard Israel still being in its 80th year up to Spring of 2022.
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Post by disciple4life on Dec 27, 2020 8:15:05 GMT -6
Hello matthew2423One could argue/ raise the point that we have been and are currently in a waiting period for the last 2000 years. Can you explain what is the number that is somehow connected to the year of Crists death? Also how is the new or other waiting period different from the present age? Cheers, Disciple4life |
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Post by barbiosheepgirl on Dec 27, 2020 19:34:13 GMT -6
I am curious how you come to this date with Revelation seeming to show the White Throne Judgement AFTER the binding of Satan for 1000 years...
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7When the thousand years are completed, Satan will be released from his prison, 8and will come out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together for the war; the number of them is like the sand of the seashore. 9And they came up on the broad plain of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city, and fire came down from heaven and devoured them. 10And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
11Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat upon it, from whose presence earth and heaven fled away, and no place was found for them. 12And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds. 13And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead which were in them; and they were judged, every one of them according to their deeds. 14Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. 15And if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
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Post by matthew2423 on Dec 28, 2020 6:35:07 GMT -6
I am curious how you come to this date with Revelation seeming to show the White Throne Judgement AFTER the binding of Satan for 1000 years... rev 20: 7When the thousand years are completed, Satan will be released from his prison, 8and will come out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together for the war; the number of them is like the sand of the seashore. 9And they came up on the broad plain of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city, and fire came down from heaven and devoured them. 10And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
11Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat upon it, from whose presence earth and heaven fled away, and no place was found for them. 12And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds. 13And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead which were in them; and they were judged, every one of them according to their deeds. 14Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. 15And if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
, Right in verse 7, it says that Satan is released from his prison, not bound. I believe that Satan is bound and sent into the Abyss at the Second Coming of Christ and before the Millennium. So, therefore, I came up with a date of mid-December 3030-mid-December 3031 for the Great White Throne Judgment and the beginning of the new heavens and the New Earth. |
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Post by venge on Dec 28, 2020 8:38:24 GMT -6
I am curious how you come to this date with Revelation seeming to show the White Throne Judgement AFTER the binding of Satan for 1000 years... rev 20: 7When the thousand years are completed, Satan will be released from his prison, 8and will come out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together for the war; the number of them is like the sand of the seashore. 9And they came up on the broad plain of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city, and fire came down from heaven and devoured them. 10And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
11Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat upon it, from whose presence earth and heaven fled away, and no place was found for them. 12And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds. 13And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead which were in them; and they were judged, every one of them according to their deeds. 14Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. 15And if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
, Correct me if I am wrong, but I think you are saying Satan is sealed DEC 2030 - DEC 2031 and 1k years later is DEC 3030 - DEC 3031. You are putting the period of Revelation (last 3.5years) ending at December 2030/31... I thought people on this site are confirmed on 2028. Since the 70 years from physical Israel's birth didnt happen (1948-2018), they are waiting for the 80 years (2028). That is because they interpret a specific verse a specific way. Why are you outside that box by another 2-3 years? That I dont understand....What is the rationality, if nothing happens from 2028-2035? That is, nothing happens by 80 years in and I'll give an extra 7 years after that for those that follow a full Daniel week. |
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Post by matthew2423 on Dec 28, 2020 10:11:32 GMT -6
I am curious how you come to this date with Revelation seeming to show the White Throne Judgement AFTER the binding of Satan for 1000 years... rev 20: 7When the thousand years are completed, Satan will be released from his prison, 8and will come out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together for the war; the number of them is like the sand of the seashore. 9And they came up on the broad plain of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city, and fire came down from heaven and devoured them. 10And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
11Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat upon it, from whose presence earth and heaven fled away, and no place was found for them. 12And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds. 13And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead which were in them; and they were judged, every one of them according to their deeds. 14Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. 15And if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
, Correct me if I am wrong, but I think you are saying Satan is sealed DEC 2030 - DEC 2031 and 1k years later is DEC 3030 - DEC 3031. You are putting the period of Revelation (last 3.5years) ending at December 2030/31... I thought people on this site are confirmed on 2028. Since the 70 years from physical Israel's birth didnt happen (1948-2018), they are waiting for the 80 years (2028). That is because they interpret a specific verse a specific way. Why are you outside that box by another 2-3 years? That I dont understand....What is the rationality, if nothing happens from 2028-2035? That is, nothing happens by 80 years in and I'll give an extra 7 years after that for those that follow a full Daniel week. , My whole post mentioned multiple theories, such as for a 27-28 A.D. crucifixion, the Rapture would be September 2021-September 2022, with the Second Coming of Christ in September 2028-September 2029, and the start of the Millennial Kingdom in mid-December 2028-mid-December 2029, and the beginning of eternity in mid-December 3028-mid-December 3029. For a 30 A.D. crucifixion, the Rapture would be in September 2023-September 2024, with the Second Coming of Christ in September 2030-September 2031, the start of the Millennial Kingdom in mid-December 2030-mid-December 2031, and the start of eternity in mid-December 3030-mid-December 3031. The final theory that I mentioned is the 33 A.D. crucifixion, which would put the Rapture in September 2025-September 2026, with the Second Coming of Christ in September 2032-September 2033, the start of the Millennial Kingdom in mid-December 2032-mid-December 2033, and the start of eternity in mid-December 3032-mid-December 3033. So, if we have to wait for the Rapture, I mention multiple theories based on that comment on the news site and based on the crucifixion of Christ. There's a theory for an early date, a theory for a middle date, and a theory for a later date. Sorry if I confused anybody, but those were just my thoughts. |
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Post by venge on Dec 29, 2020 8:19:31 GMT -6
matthew2423 , Correct me if I am wrong, but I think you are saying Satan is sealed DEC 2030 - DEC 2031 and 1k years later is DEC 3030 - DEC 3031. You are putting the period of Revelation (last 3.5years) ending at December 2030/31... I thought people on this site are confirmed on 2028. Since the 70 years from physical Israel's birth didnt happen (1948-2018), they are waiting for the 80 years (2028). That is because they interpret a specific verse a specific way. Why are you outside that box by another 2-3 years? That I dont understand....What is the rationality, if nothing happens from 2028-2035? That is, nothing happens by 80 years in and I'll give an extra 7 years after that for those that follow a full Daniel week. , My whole post mentioned multiple theories, such as for a 27-28 A.D. crucifixion, the Rapture would be September 2021-September 2022, with the Second Coming of Christ in September 2028-September 2029, and the start of the Millennial Kingdom in mid-December 2028-mid-December 2029, and the beginning of eternity in mid-December 3028-mid-December 3029. For a 30 A.D. crucifixion, the Rapture would be in September 2023-September 2024, with the Second Coming of Christ in September 2030-September 2031, the start of the Millennial Kingdom in mid-December 2030-mid-December 2031, and the start of eternity in mid-December 3030-mid-December 3031. The final theory that I mentioned is the 33 A.D. crucifixion, which would put the Rapture in September 2025-September 2026, with the Second Coming of Christ in September 2032-September 2033, the start of the Millennial Kingdom in mid-December 2032-mid-December 2033, and the start of eternity in mid-December 3032-mid-December 3033. So, if we have to wait for the Rapture, I mention multiple theories based on that comment on the news site and based on the crucifixion of Christ. There's a theory for an early date, a theory for a middle date, and a theory for a later date. Sorry if I confused anybody, but those were just my thoughts. , You Said, Why do you separate the 2nd coming with the start of the Millennium Kingdom? What scriptural basis is based upon this? 2 Tim 4:1 links his appearing and Kingdom together. Rev 19:6-11 links his starting to reign; If he is reigning, the millennial kingdom has begun. When he comes, there is no need for a waiting period in order for his inauguration to commence. |
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Post by disciple4life on Dec 29, 2020 16:27:06 GMT -6
matthew2423 , Gary , disciple4life , barbiosheepgirl , venge , While i can totally understand how you would place the 2nd coming in September, as it corresponds to Day of Atonement - I don't understand the year long gap [seems like you're saying it could be anytime in this window, between Sept 2028 and Sept 2029. Also matthew2423 , like venge , I don't understand at all why you mention the millennial reign starting mid December. I'm mostly confused [don't understand at all] why you suggest that there is some other waiting period before the rapture, that is different from the one we're in now - as most Protestant Christians believe in a random, any-moment surprise rapture, of which I am not one at all. In other words, most Evangelical protestant churches - reformed excluded, teach that the rapture could happen any moment, and this has been the case for at least 50 years. So for the minority that believe the rapture coincides with the Fall Feasts - then it's obvious - we're in a waiting period until Fall 2021, but say for the majority who don't believe the rapture is inseparably linked to the Fall Feasts? What is the basis for a waiting period ? Cordially. Disciple4life.
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Post by matthew2423 on Dec 29, 2020 22:56:46 GMT -6
venge , My whole post mentioned multiple theories, such as for a 27-28 A.D. crucifixion, the Rapture would be September 2021-September 2022, with the Second Coming of Christ in September 2028-September 2029, and the start of the Millennial Kingdom in mid-December 2028-mid-December 2029, and the beginning of eternity in mid-December 3028-mid-December 3029. For a 30 A.D. crucifixion, the Rapture would be in September 2023-September 2024, with the Second Coming of Christ in September 2030-September 2031, the start of the Millennial Kingdom in mid-December 2030-mid-December 2031, and the start of eternity in mid-December 3030-mid-December 3031. The final theory that I mentioned is the 33 A.D. crucifixion, which would put the Rapture in September 2025-September 2026, with the Second Coming of Christ in September 2032-September 2033, the start of the Millennial Kingdom in mid-December 2032-mid-December 2033, and the start of eternity in mid-December 3032-mid-December 3033. So, if we have to wait for the Rapture, I mention multiple theories based on that comment on the news site and based on the crucifixion of Christ. There's a theory for an early date, a theory for a middle date, and a theory for a later date. Sorry if I confused anybody, but those were just my thoughts. , You Said, Why do you separate the 2nd coming with the start of the Millennium Kingdom? What scriptural basis is based upon this? 2 Tim 4:1 links his appearing and Kingdom together. Rev 19:6-11 links his starting to reign; If he is reigning, the millennial kingdom has begun. When he comes, there is no need for a waiting period in order for his inauguration to commence. , disciple4life, I think that there is a 75-day period between the Second Coming of Christ and the Millennial Kingdom because this is ample time for the glorified saints and angels, led by the Lord Himself, rebuild the world after the destruction of the world. If you read the "Left Behind," series, and the book "Millennium: The Lord's Reign," by Christian Middle Eastern journalist David Dolan, they mention this idea that comes from Daniel about a 75-day interval between the Second Coming and the Millennial Kingdom. I actually think that we don't know the timing of the Rapture, but based on the times now, we are in that window, and I believe that the Rapture could potentially happen at anytime between now and 2026... I'm sorry that I'm confusing people... I hope this will explain my beliefs a bit better. |
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Post by yardstick on Dec 29, 2020 23:15:25 GMT -6
I am curious how you come to this date with Revelation seeming to show the White Throne Judgement AFTER the binding of Satan for 1000 years... rev 20: 7When the thousand years are completed, Satan will be released from his prison, 8and will come out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together for the war; the number of them is like the sand of the seashore. 9And they came up on the broad plain of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city, and fire came down from heaven and devoured them. 10And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
11Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat upon it, from whose presence earth and heaven fled away, and no place was found for them. 12And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds. 13And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead which were in them; and they were judged, every one of them according to their deeds. 14Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. 15And if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
, Correct me if I am wrong, but I think you are saying Satan is sealed DEC 2030 - DEC 2031 and 1k years later is DEC 3030 - DEC 3031. You are putting the period of Revelation (last 3.5years) ending at December 2030/31... I thought people on this site are confirmed on 2028. Since the 70 years from physical Israel's birth didnt happen (1948-2018), they are waiting for the 80 years (2028). That is because they interpret a specific verse a specific way. Why are you outside that box by another 2-3 years? That I dont understand....What is the rationality, if nothing happens from 2028-2035? That is, nothing happens by 80 years in and I'll give an extra 7 years after that for those that follow a full Daniel week. I dont think everyone is confirmed on 2028. There is also a potential hypothesis that the 80th year ends (or begins) at the AoD... |
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Post by venge on Dec 30, 2020 8:25:21 GMT -6
matthew2423 , Correct me if I am wrong, but I think you are saying Satan is sealed DEC 2030 - DEC 2031 and 1k years later is DEC 3030 - DEC 3031. You are putting the period of Revelation (last 3.5years) ending at December 2030/31... I thought people on this site are confirmed on 2028. Since the 70 years from physical Israel's birth didnt happen (1948-2018), they are waiting for the 80 years (2028). That is because they interpret a specific verse a specific way. Why are you outside that box by another 2-3 years? That I dont understand....What is the rationality, if nothing happens from 2028-2035? That is, nothing happens by 80 years in and I'll give an extra 7 years after that for those that follow a full Daniel week. I dont think everyone is confirmed on 2028. There is also a potential hypothesis that the 80th year ends (or begins) at the AoD... , When I say everyone, take it with a grain of salt. I mean to say many, if not most here. Yes, it is true 100% do not advocate 2028. If it doesnt happen by 2028 or 2035, that is going to be a very interesting talk on these forums =P |
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Post by venge on Dec 30, 2020 9:34:06 GMT -6
matthew2423 , You Said, Why do you separate the 2nd coming with the start of the Millennium Kingdom? What scriptural basis is based upon this? 2 Tim 4:1 links his appearing and Kingdom together. Rev 19:6-11 links his starting to reign; If he is reigning, the millennial kingdom has begun. When he comes, there is no need for a waiting period in order for his inauguration to commence. , disciple4life , I think that there is a 75-day period between the Second Coming of Christ and the Millennial Kingdom because this is ample time for the glorified saints and angels, led by the Lord Himself, rebuild the world after the destruction of the world. If you read the "Left Behind," series, and the book "Millennium: The Lord's Reign," by Christian Middle Eastern journalist David Dolan, they mention this idea that comes from Daniel about a 75-day interval between the Second Coming and the Millennial Kingdom. I actually think that we don't know the timing of the Rapture, but based on the times now, we are in that window, and I believe that the Rapture could potentially happen at anytime between now and 2026... I'm sorry that I'm confusing people... I hope this will explain my beliefs a bit better. , You said: Are you referring to Daniel's prophecy of the 1,335 days? I am trying to understand where you come up with a 75 day period. If the 1,260 days sums up the 3.5 year period of Antichrist, and there is 1,290 days, some people believe that extra time of 30 days is the bowls. There is also the 1,335 days of Daniel (45 days longer then the 1,290 days Adding that to the 30 days in 1,290 from the 1,260 would give us 75 days). I suppose that is the 75 day period that you're talking about. Lumping the sum of the 2 prophetic time dates into one, and using that for a theory is of course speculative. Many people have tried to figure out that prophecy and of course, we all know, that there are many interpretations because of it. We have: 1. 1 week given as defined by 7 years 2. the AntiChrist will confirm an agreement in the midst of that week; the week would be split into 2 parts of 3.5 years/or 42 mo's/or 1,260 days 3. the 2 witnesses preach for 42 mo's in the second half of the week So, how do we understand this verse? Is it from the time the daily is removed to the time the AoD is setup? If this is the case, the Aod being the the approx location to a midpoint would make the daily happen 1,290 BEFORE that point. An example: The daily would be removed on day 1,290. 30 days later would begin the first half of the 3.5 year week. Ending that week would be the AoD and the start of the second week. Or, do we understand this as the daily is removed and the AoD is setup at the same time and from that time it happens at the mid point, there is 1,290 days. That would push 30 days beyond the 1,260 allotted for the second half. What would those extra 30 days be outside the timeline? It isnt explained. Why tell us 1,260 days in the second half and then increase it by 30 with that reading? EDIT:According to Daniel 9:27, By that statement, it appears they both are removed close to the center of the 7 years. It doesnt have to be on the same day, but a proximity to the middle of the week. If the second half of the week is 1,260 days, I'd still consider 30 more days BEFORE (1,290) the middle is still "in the midst" because that wording references proximity to the middle...not the exact middle day. And 30 days from the middle is just that. To put the 30 days at the end of the 1,260 day portion of the 2nd week would seem confusing wouldnt it? The week would be over, yet 30 days exist? I sound a little repetitive, but I dont see it any other way. It doesnt appear to be logical if we dont put the extra 30 days before the middle. |
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Post by yardstick on Dec 31, 2020 11:40:39 GMT -6
I dont think everyone is confirmed on 2028. There is also a potential hypothesis that the 80th year ends (or begins) at the AoD... , When I say everyone, take it with a grain of salt. I mean to say many, if not most here. Yes, it is true 100% do not advocate 2028. If it doesnt happen by 2028 or 2035, that is going to be a very interesting talk on these forums =P [insert low-sodium diet joke here] |
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