andrew
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Post by andrew on Dec 13, 2020 15:23:37 GMT -6
I looked and noticed that we don't have an ABC's of Salvation thread. There are various variations of them, but here is the one I have been using for some time. ABC's of Salvation: To be safe for all eternity: A: Admit that you are a sinner, who violates the Will of God, and that you need a Saviour. Repent. Turn away from your sin and toward Jesus. (Matthew 4:17; Romans 2:4, 3:10, 6:23; Acts 3:19) B: Believe that Jesus Christ, Son of God & Messiah, died for your sins and rose again, and that He will come again, as prophesied and recorded in the Word of God. Trust in His finished work on the cross. (Romans 10:9-10; 1 Corinthians 15:1-4; Ephesians 2:8-9) C: Call on His name, ask Him to save you, and confess that He is Lord. (Romans 10:9-10, 10:13, 14:10-11; Philippians 2:10) Many more are available at jdfarag.org If you have one, please share it with us!
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Post by andrew on Dec 31, 2020 14:12:35 GMT -6
An apology of the ABC’s of salvation.
The ABC’s of salvation:
Admit that you are a sinner.
Believe that Jesus is Lord.
Call upon His name.
Simple, effective, and like everything else, contentious.
I have expanded them a bit so as to be able to communicate them quickly and thoroughly in writing, assuming the person will not hang around long enough for any further explanation.
A: Admit that you are a sinner, who violates the Will of God, and that you need a Saviour. Repent. Turn away from your sin and toward Jesus. (Matthew 4:17; Romans 2:4, 3:10, 6:23; Acts 3:19)
B: Believe that Jesus Christ, Son of God & Messiah, died for your sins and rose again, and that He will come again, as prophesied and recorded in the Word of God. Trust in His finished work on the cross. (Romans 10:9-10; 1 Corinthians 15:1-4; Ephesians 2:8-9)
C: Call on His name, ask Him to save you, and confess that He is Lord. (Romans 10:9-10, 10:13, 14:10-11; Philippians 2:10)
Most of the complaints I hear say that this is either a works based salvation, or that it does not involve membership in a brick and mortar church. I believe both of these are narrow views of the whole matter.
I think of it like a coin.
Salvation is the substance of which it is made. Salvation through faith in the finished work of Jesus on the cross, “B” is the middle of the coin.
Admitting your sin is a private matter. I think of “A” as the back of the coin.
Calling on Jesus I see as the face, “C” is more public (even if you are the only person there) because it involves a declaration with spoken words.
The face and the back of the coin have no substance of themselves. They are merely impressions on the material of which the coin is made.
Unless you die in the moment of your belief in salvation, I am certain that you will both admit that you are a sinner, and therefore repent, and also call on Jesus and confess that He is Lord.
When you realize your sin is when most call on Jesus, thereby getting the whole thing out of order.
They couldn’t even tell you about the trinity, the need for a perfect sacrifice, or probably even quote “One” Corinthians 15:1-4. Does this mean that they have failed and are going to burn in hell for eternity?
No.
It means that God must work in them so that their faith is sufficient unto salvation, because it is His work, not ours, lest any should boast.
If you have no face or back on a gold coin, you still have the gold.
If you think you only have the face and the back, but no middle, look again; they have to be stamped on something.
As you can see, this is in no way works based. The ABC’s of Salvation are merely our ham handed effort to illustrate both HOW you are saved and WHAT HAPPENS when you are saved.
As to membership in a church, I would like for those who lodge that complaint to tell me exactly which denomination the thief on the cross belonged to. Since you cannot, please keep quiet about the matter entirely.
This work is probably ongoing, so feel free to comment on what I should add, subtract, multiply, divide, etc.
Don’t leave a message if you can’t stand for your feelings to be hurt. I may not respond. Worse yet, I may.
On that note, biblically to offend means to cast a stumbling block before someone, not to hurt their fee-fees. Many of you ‘kind and gentle’ people routinely cast actual stumbling blocks before others by berating brothers and sisters who speak to the sin in the person’s life and then you mindlessly repeat the word ‘love’.
I am a father and a husband and I know full well that love without justice is no love at all.
Weak men have allowed love to be made a base thing in our time because they have refused to raise their voice when it needs to be raised and speak against the sin that has brought our country under the judgement of God.
Most of them can tell you who played with their balls on Christmas day, and which group of grown men played with them most effectively.
For that, men should be, but generally aren’t, ashamed.
I will close with the verse I studied last before writing this, and the final note I typed.
“I have gone astray like a lost sheep; seek thy servant; for I do not forget thy commandments.” Psalm 119:176
“Thus he concludes the psalm with a penitent sense of his own sin and believing dependence on God’s grace. With these a devout Christian will conclude his duties, will conclude his life; he will live and die repenting and praying.” -Matthew Henry
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Post by venge on Jan 9, 2021 10:39:49 GMT -6
andrew, I just read your ABC's. Of course, the first thing I thought of was cardio pulmonary resuscitation. Anyone, including myself, that has taken CPR in their line of work would recognize this. The ABC's: Airway, Breathing and Circulation I'm unsure why you said: I agree with you brother, both are narrow views of the whole matter. Not every country has a brock/mortar Church where there is a a believer in Christ. The physical church is not what brings you to Christ. Yes, we have evangelizing people. But the way to Christ is upon every person by themselves through those ABC's. I think the third is alittle more though. I'd even say, we Acknowledge we are a sinner, Believe on Christ, Call for him to save you and cast off the old man, embracing the new man with repentance. Really enjoyed reading your OP.
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Post by Timothy on May 20, 2021 14:39:04 GMT -6
Are we saved by faith alone?
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Post by Natalie on May 20, 2021 15:36:22 GMT -6
Are we saved by faith alone? Yes. The only thing you need for salvation is faith in Jesus. Of the ABC's - A is the place a person is at that shows them they need a Savior and C is how they acknowledge to Him that He is all they need. It all works together with B - the belief needed.
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Post by mike on May 21, 2021 6:40:49 GMT -6
Are we saved by faith alone? Yes - however one should consider what faith means. Can one say "I believe Jesus is the Messiah, the Son of the living God and His blood cleanses me from sin"? Yet repeatedly and deliberately walk in iniquity 2Tim 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.1John 2:6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked...15 Love not the world, neither the things [that are] in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him
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Post by Natalie on May 21, 2021 8:42:33 GMT -6
What we do with our life is evidence of our faith. Do we say we believe and let the Holy Spirit change us? That's a believer. If we say we believe but don't let the Spirit change us, then we must ask ourselves if we are indeed saved. 1 John is a great book to use to test and see if you are in the faith.
1 John 5:13 I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life.
But salvation itself is by faith alone.
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Post by mike on May 21, 2021 9:45:28 GMT -6
Natalie I think that faith starts the process. But we cant just "I believe" and not act like it. Of course this is between the individual and God, not anyone else to "judge". I was talking with Dylan a few days ago and he said that he had a discussion at work with a coworker about being a Christian. He always has a good story when he gets home (Brief backstory) He works at a mobile Covid testing and said a massive body builder pulled up in a car and said "hey you" (pointing at him) "come here, I want to tell you that you are going to have a great day..." and said some other things before ending the 2 minutes convo with "its always to good to talk to another Christian" After telling the coworker about the dialogue she said to him "gay people can be Christian too" and said "no they cant..." So I explained to him "If I was gay and came to faith today, it may take me a little time to 'cleanse' my mind in the Word before I change" So in essence a gay person can be a Christian, but at some point they should come to realize that the lifestyle is contrary to Gods Word & Will. $0.02
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Post by Natalie on May 21, 2021 10:15:25 GMT -6
Yes, sanctification is a process and takes time. Some people are quickly changed and some more slowly.
But none of our works are needed for salvation.
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