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Post by sog on Nov 4, 2020 14:09:00 GMT -6
I'm looking for your input or opinions of what may be coming regarding this election. It seems, at the moment, that Biden may have the edge in winning this election. Not 100%, but the odds are in his favor. My questions are what may play out given some news reports that the Trump team are going to be challenging this election legally. I haven't looked for links. Just what I'm hearing from T.V. news. If that is the case, and adding to that the possibility that some states may not have full results for days or a week or more, could this election be unresolved even past the official inauguration in January?
What do we think may happen with some of these potential mid-east peace accords?
Can Trump, still technically being the President, continue trying to bring more countries to the table to sign peace with Israel?
Will they, knowing that Trump may not be President going forward?
Does this increase the short term possibility of a mid-east war (Ezekiel war) if Turkey, Iran, Russia smell any weakness in the USA at this moment?
If a war does start, is the US unable to help Israel because of the undetermined election results and a Democrat controlled congress not willing to enter in to a war with no clear President?
If the war does happen and God clearly, to the believers, give Israel victory, does this then bring about the confirmation of peace with many that starts the Trib?
Add your own questions. I'm interested in what everyone has to say.
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Post by socalexile on Nov 4, 2020 23:43:28 GMT -6
Electors cast their ballots in December, the states should have their votes certified well before then. Right now the concern is a lot of potential ballot fraud which Trump will likely challenge before the SCOTUS if he has to.
Can't say what Israel will do, or exactly how the timeline plays out. I will say that the only timeline that actually matters is God's.
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Post by disciple4life on Nov 5, 2020 6:23:23 GMT -6
I hope Trump will be proven the rightful winner, and we've already seen multiple examples of voter fraud by the democrats.
But ultimately my hope is not in a president or a party or a pastor or stimulus package- but in Christ.
We are sheepdogs- we watch for wolves and sound the alarm. Prophecy does not support the notion of massive revival- but very clearly the opposite.
I wish prophecy supported the notion of US and Israel and Poland leading the world in support of life, Biblical marriage, creating jobs and abolishing pit bulls and leggings but it's a fantasy.
As much as I hope and want conservatives to win the election, we don't see a multinational coalition of countries supporting Israel. Hmmm.
Biden is clearly pro-muslim and he would lift/ cancel the Iran sanctions on Iran creating a much more likely scenario for Ezekiel 38 war.
Come Lord Jesus. Sure seems like a long long way to Feast of Trumpets. heheheh
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Post by venge on Nov 5, 2020 7:41:50 GMT -6
I'm looking for your input or opinions of what may be coming regarding this election. It seems, at the moment, that Biden may have the edge in winning this election. Not 100%, but the odds are in his favor. My questions are what may play out given some news reports that the Trump team are going to be challenging this election legally. I haven't looked for links. Just what I'm hearing from T.V. news. If that is the case, and adding to that the possibility that some states may not have full results for days or a week or more, could this election be unresolved even past the official inauguration in January? What do we think may happen with some of these potential mid-east peace accords? No change. Biden has expressed he is glad they have happened. The US will be needed to foster some of the issues though especially with Sudan otherwise they can fall apart because Sudan's people are skeptical of the US and Israel in helping them remove poverty, famine etc..
One change would be Biden refunding the Palestinians. He also believes in the 2 state solution. But so do most Arab states. That doesnt prevent Oman or other countries coming to the table now.Can Trump, still technically being the President, continue trying to bring more countries to the table to sign peace with Israel? Yes he could for alittle longer, but most countries wouldnt want to deal with the US till a new leader is involved. It is more advantageous so that they could deal with the new admin and get what they want out of them. Not someone who has 30 more days as an example.Will they, knowing that Trump may not be President going forward? They may...but it would be with Israel...not really the US.
Does this increase the short term possibility of a mid-east war (Ezekiel war) if Turkey, Iran, Russia smell any weakness in the USA at this moment? I dont believe so. Look, to be honest, I dont see the war we assume to come...will come for some time. The world is a game of chess and the pieces move over time. Not our life time. Its been almost 2k years since Christ. Israel has been remade in 70 years of that 2k years. They will need to have peace with many if we understand the covenant right. This deception of peace may not be till long after we all died. There is not a time limit on the covenant with many. EDit: Yes I know some say 7 years, but when does that 7 year start? Does it start once the covenant is completed with the "many"? If so, we dont know how many are needed...it could be 14 nations...thereby it could take another 20 years..before the start of the 7 year or 3.5 years.If a war does start, is the US unable to help Israel because of the undetermined election results and a Democrat controlled congress not willing to enter in to a war with no clear President? That doesnt matter. The US will fulfil its obligations regardless of timing of an election and timing of war. Trump would act rightfully and if Biden was the presumed winner, he'd most likely be counseled in with TS clearance information.If the war does happen and God clearly, to the believers, give Israel victory, does this then bring about the confirmation of peace with many that starts the Trib? Having a hard time understanding your question. War in Israel could happen and have nothing to do with the covenant with many. Please don't forget, the persecution that will come affects Christians who is the Church and the women and these below are Christian believers. Not unbelieving Jews that are blinded. I realize many believe this is ONLY for the Jews...but please read these words:
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Post by boraddict on Nov 5, 2020 8:16:15 GMT -6
I have always believed that the U. S. must be out of the way and then the tribulation era begins. But, I did not know that the civil war would begin over an election. At least that appears to be the case now. As you may recall, the war of 1860 was between the states; as in states rights. Today we have a similar situation wherein the states support one president elect over another. So, the nation divides along the lines of who supports whom. One president for some states and another president for the other states. That is, if neither president elect steps down. How crazy is that?
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Post by disciple4life on Nov 5, 2020 23:49:59 GMT -6
Sog - "Can Trump, still technically being the President, continue trying to bring more countries to the table to sign peace with Israel?"
Venge "Yes he could for a little longer, but most countries wouldnt want to deal with the US till a new leader is involved. It is more advantageous so that they could deal with the new admin and get what they want out of them. Not someone who has 30 more days as an example.
I see your point, and in most cases, I totally agree, it doesn't make sense to do a deal with a world leader who may only be in office for 2 more months, only to have the work or executive order scrapped by the next administration.
***However, 1 caveat in this case, - these leaders see a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity, and as others have said - The US has a unique role in helping get these deals done- and Israel and the Arab leaders all recognize this fact- and they also recognize that the Jordanian Arabs don't want peace or land- they just want to hijack the process- and for all Israelis to be pushed into the sea/ destroyed.
The Sunni Arab countries like Saudi Arabia and UAE are more moderate - they fear/hate Iran, just slightly more than they hate Israel, but for many countries, this has less to do with peace with Israel, and more to do with tens of millions in $US Dollars that would flow as "Aid" - as part of a normalization agreement, and added tens of millions of goods, trade and technology from Israel that their people desperately need. this is especially true of Sudan, and Morocco.
I think the possibility of Biden, who would cancel/ nix the Iran sanctions is exactly the reason so many Arab countries are jumping on board. If Biden - who is pro-Iran, is elected, this opportunity is gone- and would likely never come again.
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Post by venge on Nov 6, 2020 8:06:52 GMT -6
Sog - " Can Trump, still technically being the President, continue trying to bring more countries to the table to sign peace with Israel?" Venge "Yes he could for a little longer, but most countries wouldnt want to deal with the US till a new leader is involved. It is more advantageous so that they could deal with the new admin and get what they want out of them. Not someone who has 30 more days as an example.
I see your point, and in most cases, I totally agree, it doesn't make sense to do a deal with a world leader who may only be in office for 2 more months. ***However, in this case, - these leaders see a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity, and as others have said - The US has a unique role in helping get these deals done- and Israel and the Arab leaders all recognize this fact- and they also recognize that the Jordanian Arabs don't want peace or land- they just want to hijack the process- and for all Israelis to be pushed into the sea/ destroyed.
The Sunni Arab countries like Saudi Arabia and UAE are more moderate - they fear/hate Iran, just slightly more than they hate Israel, but for many countries, this has less to do with peace with Israel, and more to do with tens of millions in $US Dollars that would flow as "Aid" - as part of a normalization agreement, and added tens of millions of goods, trade and technology from Israel that their people desperately need. this is especially true of Sudan, and Morocco.
I think the possibility of Biden, who would cancel/ nix the Iran sanctions is exactly the reason so many Arab countries are jumping on board. If Biden - who is pro-Iran, is elected, this opportunity is gone- and would likely never come again.
I know we may not agree on this, but I dont believe sanctions on Iran have ever helped. They will do what they do. If a person sins, do you punish them or does God? Do you talk to them about another way? Do you let your light shine for them to see it? I believe this is how we should treat Iran. Right now, we are hurting the local people of Iran. How does that reflect from a Christian Nation? We hurt people...we bully them into compliance. It doesnt matter that they do it...we are the ones who follow God, not them. This nation is to be an example. I agree with Biden that we should roll back many sanctions on them. Start new, go into talks with them and really push an agenda of understanding that may one day lead to something better then it is currently. I am not saying we dont punish bad nations ever when they kill people, have terrible human rights records etc...but there are ways to do it that are not "And now whereas my father did lade you with a heavy yoke, I will add to your yoke: my father has chastised you with whips, but I will chastise you with scorpions 1 Kings 12:11" Jesus is our example, even to our enemies. He will have vengeance on our enemies, not us. We need to live peaceably if possible with all men, even Iran. Let the USA be a model of righteousness, not driving up food and medical prices for their poor, not blockading fossil fuels so people can commute to work for a job, not increasing the cost of things so that a family struggles and asks God to curse us....for God will hear his people (and there are some of his people in Iran) and he can and will recompense. |
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