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Post by dan on Sept 6, 2020 13:04:57 GMT -6
I can't help but point out that so many talk as if the rapture starts the 7 year tribulation period - and it doesn't. The 7 year peace agreement by the antichrist does. I also want to point out that the psalm 83 and ezekiel 38 wars, along with isaiah 17 haven't happened yet. So for people who think the rapture AND beginning of the 7 year tribulation period happen this coming feast of trumpets, I think you are wrong.
It is my strong belief that there must be a gap between the rapture and the start of the 7 year tribulation period. As I said, these prophetic wars for Israel haven't happened yet. Also, the antichrist won't be revealed until after the restrainer is taken out of here (rapture). He has to rise to power. The rapture isn't going to happen and on the very same day the antichrist, who isn't known to the world yet, signs the 7 year peace agreement for Israel. There's too many things that still need to happen BEFORE the 7 year tribulation period.
I can't help but think there's a reason there's 10 days between feast of trumpets and yom kippur. 10 days = 10 years.
If Jesus Christ died in 30 AD, which began the age of grace we're currently in, 2030 would put us exactly 2000 years from the start of the age of grace (and exactly 6000 years from Adam), ending the "two days" it's been since His death. 2030 would also be the start of the 7th and final day of rest being the 1000 year reign of Jesus Christ.
The 2nd coming of Jesus Christ fulfills Yom Kippur, which is also the ending of the 7 year tribulation period. So if you go to Yom Kippur in 2030 (torahcalendar.com) that's September 9th, 2030.
Subtract 2550 days (1260+1290) and that brings you to Saturday (sabbath) September 16th, 2023...wait for it... Feast of trumpets. Look it up for yourself.
So this is what I'm thinking will happen:
- 2020 September 18th FOT rapture
- EXACTLY 3 year gap to allow for psalm 83, ezekiel 38, isaiah 17, rise of the antichrist, fall of our current world system (great reset/new world order)... etc
- September 16th 2023 start of the 7 year tribulation on Feast of trumpets
- September 9, 2030 day of atonement/2nd coming/end of 7 year tribulation/start of 7th day,millenial reign of Jesus Christ. (start of 1000 years after the 1335 days)
But hey, we won't be here anyways!
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Post by willard on Sept 6, 2020 15:03:22 GMT -6
I feel like that is a solid theory. The only thing for me is that I can't see the rapture happening and nothing major occurring immediately afterward. I picture all the middle east countries attacking Israel in a knee jerk reaction to their view of allah's judgement of non-muslims worldwide. I figure that's when damascus gets nuked and a.c (Macron?) intervenes and makes peace.
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Post by dan on Sept 6, 2020 16:09:21 GMT -6
Yes, immediately after the rapture I believe chaos will increase and make 2020 look like a stellar year so far. The antichrist has to bring order out of chaos.
Another thing I want to add that I've been wondering about is Psalm 90:10
The days of our years are threescore years and ten; and if by reason of strength they be fourscore years, yet is their strength labour and sorrow; for it is soon cut off, and we fly away.
"we fly away". Well that's what happens at the rapture. Is this a possible reference to the rapture and the generation that sees Israel reborn?
2020-1948 is 72. If someone makes it past 70, they aren't automatically 80. They have to be 71 then 72 and so on. 80 years is by reason of strength. Could it be that anywhere in that 70-80 range is when we fly away?
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Post by Natalie on Sept 6, 2020 19:08:14 GMT -6
Yes, you are right that the rapture doesn't start the 70th week but a covenant with many does. Here's what I am considering at the moment... Should the rapture happen this FOT, I do not think the agreement with the UAE will be signed. Too much confusion going on here in the US for them to do it right then. Then while the US is distracted, Iran sets their proxies onto Israel in a very short confrontation that equals Psalm 83 and Is 17. This then enrages Iran, who conferences with Russian and Turkey, Russia says lets attack (Russia for the resources/Iran for revenge and to get rid of Israel). Maybe on Yom Kippur? That is Ezekiel 38 and is over very quickly when God puts a stop to it. The treaty with the UAE is enlarged/made stronger to include many. This could all happen in a short amount of time. We've seen how fast end time events are occurring. Would it be possible to happen within 3-4 weeks? The time from FOT to right after tabernacles? Then Jesus returns 2027 before Israel turns 80 in 2028. I could be wrong. It does seem like a lot needs to take place, but I think God could also move things very quickly. He's the one in control, not man.  I don't know that I see anything in Scripture that says there is a gap. I actually see the opposite: Romans 11:25. When the times of the Gentiles is fulfilled, the rapture takes place, and God is then working again with Israel for their salvation. |
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Post by disciple4life on Sept 6, 2020 21:29:37 GMT -6
dan , willard , Natalie , Hello dan and willard , Welcome to the forum, my brothers. This is Disciple4life, and we're so happy when other fellow watchmen join our tribe. I'm an Otter/Expressive personality, and am motivated by fun and love to share ideas, and learn from each other. Dan, - there are so many great thoughts in this thread that i really like and totally agree with. ;-) I have believed for a long time that there is likely a gap in between the rapture and the start of the Tribulation but it's not clear in scripture, and as you said, - we'll be gone anyway, and it's also unclear how long this gap might be - I'm much more inclined to think it's much much shorter - like a month. I think you are spot on with the rapture at a/some Feast of Trumpets, [hope it's this year] and the second coming at some subsequent Yom Kippur/Day of atonement. Your numbers - if they are indeed correct - between the FOT date in 2023 and Yom Kippur/ Day of Atonement, - that is mindnumbing. Please don't think i'm challenging you - i'm honestly curious .  I have said over and over on multiple threads that there has to be some trigger - some catalyst event that lights the fuse, or tips the first domino which starts the tribulation. Why?? Because we have two very explicit day counts - 1260 and 1290, which are both 3 1/2 years on a Prophetic/ Hebrew calendar. My question is what passage you would use to support the notion that it is the 7 year covenant that is the trigger. I am not dogmatic but have heard multiple end-times teachers and think there is very strong compelling evidence, that the Ezekiel 38 war happens because of the fact that the alliance of Russia, Iran and Turkey is already in place, and the UAE deal [which is NOT the covenant with Many] sets the pieces of the Ezekiel 38 war in place. Sheba and Dedan are Saudi Arabia, and they protest - [ They are not on the Biblical list of those attacking Israel.] Where are Israel's greatest ally in the world? USA and UK. They are not mentioned at all. No other country comes close to being a stronger ally to Israel than USA, and UK would be in the top 4. Why do we not protest or defend Israel.  The only scenario that remotely makes sense is that the world is in TOTAL Meltdown and Hysteria, and tens of millions of Law Enforcement, Military officers and enlisted men and women, Congress and high ranking political leaders in USA and UK and Canada, are missing. Russia, Iran and Turkey, see this as a time to strike, - all the allies are not able to defend Israel, and the other thing is that just like in the middle ages, the Black plague bypassed Jewish colonies and so people said Jews caused it. hmmmm.  Multiple end-times scholars agree that the Ezekiel 38 war will be very very short - because no other nation defends Israel and they are outnumbered 1000 to 1. The fact that they win is only because God crushes the enemies and all the Jews can see this - as well as the rest of the world. The world will be in Total hysteria and economic collapse, and sheer terror. It is in this context of terror, panic and anarchy that the world will look to someone who promises peace, and the AC will quickly be given power. But i suspect it is someone already well-known around the world - like Macron, Jared Kushner or Elon Musk or Bill Gates - just hypothetically. Instant name recognition. The other thought/ question - I really want to get your take - Willard, Dan and Natalie - is this - Do you think the AC covenant with many triggers the rapture, or could it be that the rapture triggers the 7 year covenant? Why Dan, I'm totally tracking with you on the reasons from scripture and history for the Rapture at FOT/Rosh Hoshanah, and the Second Coming at Yom Kippur/Day of Atonement, but what is the thing that makes the AC's 7 year covenant fall on Feast of Trumpets, or how is it connected. ?? Cordially, with sweet tea and cheese grits from Tennessee. Disciple4life.
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Post by boraddict on Sept 6, 2020 22:14:23 GMT -6
I have never heard of a 3 year rapture gap. Also, there is evidence supporting that Jesus was born in 3BC. Thus, Natalie's conclusions about 2028 would be more in line with that birth year. |
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Post by disciple4life on Sept 6, 2020 23:11:41 GMT -6
I have never heard of a 3 year rapture gap. Also, there is evidence supporting that Jesus was born in 3BC. Thus, Natalie 's conclusions about 2028 would be more in line with that birth year. Yes, friend, you are correct - There is overwhelming Biblical, Historical and Astronomical evidence that Christ was born in 3 BC. And this in turn, IS why Dan's point about Christ's death in AD 30 makes sense and fits what scripture said concerning the events around his death and a blood moon at Passover, which was witnessed by all those in Jerusalem. 3 BC to 30 AD is 33 years - vs the unBiblical Catholic myth of 'Good Friday/ AD 33 crucifixion. It would make Christ be about 36 when he died. I also have heard of a gap, but never heard or read a gap of such a long time. But i can't think of any scripture that says one way or the other - we are left with missing pieces and have to speculate, based on other pieces like the rise of AC, and building the 3rd temple, WW III, etc. EDIT - Natalie can confirm or clarify, but the year she gives is 2028 is with the understanding that "all these things come to pass - that is the harpazo, events of the Tribulation and Second coming, before the 80 year Birthday of Israel in 2028. But it really has nothing to do with Christ's death or birth year. Amiright Natalie ?? |
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Post by dan on Sept 7, 2020 4:52:04 GMT -6
Yom kippur in 2027 is September 12
September 12 2027 - 2550 days is September 18 2020, which is FOT. It's a perfect fit.
HOWEVER, that means that the rapture AND start of the 7 year tribulation have to both occur on September 18 2020.
This doesn't leave room for a "short gap" of only weeks or months. So in my opinion (just an opinion) the 7 year tribulation cannot start this year.
I just can't help but think there's something to there being 10 days between Feast of trumpets and Yom kippur every year. God isn't random. There's a reason there's 10 days (10 years?) between FOT and Yom kippur.
As many know, Feast of trumpets goes by many names:
Yamin Noraim - The Awesome Days
Rosh Hashanah - Head of the year
Yom teruah - day of the awakening blast
yom hadin - day of the judgement
ha melech - coronation of the King Messiah
yom hazikkaron - day of the remembrance
chevial shel Meshiach - birthpangs/ JACOB'S TROUBLE
kiddushin - the wedding ceremony
natzal - to snatch away/the resurrection of the dead
shofar hagodol - the last trump
yom hakesch - the hidden day
yom delet - the day of the open door
This is how i see it playing out:
September 2020 FOT rapture - fulfillment of FOT
3 year gap - to allow for what i discussed in my original post
September 16 2023 FOT start of 7 year tribulation period - notice some other names for FOT (chevial shel Meshiach & yom hadin) almost like a dual fulfillment of FOT in concordance with the FOT 2020 rapture
September 9 2030 Yom kippur fulfillment - exactly 2550 days from September 16 2023, and also 10 years from the fulfillment of FOT (10 days between FOT and yom kippur)
Like I said though, for we who believe in Christ as our Lord and Savior and in His death,burial and resurrection, we won't be here after the rapture anyways. So I'm not overly concerned with how it all plays out. Just fun to try and "solve" it.
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Post by Natalie on Sept 7, 2020 7:19:47 GMT -6
Dan, it depends on what calendar you are following. Hebcal has Yom Kippur as Oct 10-11, 2027. This follows the calendar Jews are using right now. Although from what I have read, if they go back to doing it the way it was once done, the calendar could change. But I'm with you, we won't be here so it's all just fun speculation. Another thought - Some people think that it's God that is the one making the covenant. Basically strengthening the covenant He had already made with Israel. and yes, disciple4life , you are correct about my use of 2028 |
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Post by Natalie on Sept 7, 2020 7:35:42 GMT -6
disciple4life, I don't really think one triggers the other. I think God takes the church out so Daniel's 70th week can get underway. So, they could happen at the same time or with space between. If anything, I think the rapture will trigger war with Israel.
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I don't know that I see anything in Scripture that says there is a gap. I actually see the opposite: Romans 11:25. When the times of the Gentiles is fulfilled, the rapture takes place, and God is then working again with Israel for their salvation. 
I have said over and over on multiple threads that there has to be some trigger - some catalyst event that lights the fuse, or tips the first domino which starts the tribulation. Why?? Because we have two very explicit day counts - 1260 and 1290, which are both 3 1/2 years on a Prophetic/ Hebrew calendar. My question is what passage you would use to support the notion that it is the 7 year covenant that is the trigger. 
The only scenario that remotely makes sense is that the world is in TOTAL Meltdown and Hysteria, and tens of millions of Law Enforcement, Military officers and enlisted men and women, Congress and high ranking political leaders in USA and UK and Canada, are missing. 
