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Post by hugh on Aug 23, 2020 8:03:18 GMT -6
Hi I'm new on this forum so I hope this is the right place to ask this question.
In BoR at the end of each judgement,
Rev 6:12-17
Rev 11:15-19
Rev 16:17-20
It seams as if they are similar and final. How many times can the sky roll up and every island disappear. How many huge earthquakes can there be that destroys massive areas and there are declarations of God's Wrath be finalized in 11:15 & 16:17.
Or are these views of the same ending from different points of view?
Also the seals are called the "wrath of the lamb," and the bowls are called "God's Wrath," could the Trumpets be the wrath of the Spirit of God?
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Post by barbiosheepgirl on Aug 23, 2020 8:44:29 GMT -6
hugh, welcome to the forum!!! You might get a variety of replies. Lately I have come to see that perhaps the seals trumpets and bowls are not in sequential order. The other day mom and i were discussing this topic and I told her that in light of today, some are experiencing "wrath" of worry or demise, etc., while someone standing in the same area has Faith and resting in the Lord thru a crisis. She didnt agree, but I often think of how Stephan was with the scribes, who it said were gnashing their teeth at him. He on the other hand saw Jesus. great observation, btw Maranatha!
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Post by andy4045 on Aug 23, 2020 16:58:29 GMT -6
worth checking out as information on interpreting how things play out has a series(seals,trumpets,bowls) they are layered.
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Post by hugh on Aug 23, 2020 22:39:14 GMT -6
Excellent video that opens up the possibilities in Revelation.
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Post by venge on Aug 24, 2020 13:08:15 GMT -6
Hi I'm new on this forum so I hope this is the right place to ask this question. In BoR at the end of each judgement, Rev 6:12-17 Rev 11:15-19 Rev 16:17-20 It seams as if they are similar and final. How many times can the sky roll up and every island disappear. How many huge earthquakes can there be that destroys massive areas and there are declarations of God's Wrath be finalized in 11:15 & 16:17. Or are these views of the same ending from different points of view? Also the seals are called the "wrath of the lamb," and the bowls are called "God's Wrath," could the Trumpets be the wrath of the Spirit of God? Hello hughAre you sure the seals are wrath? What scripture says the seals, which bind the scroll’s contents shut, are wrath? Think about that. The seals lock away the contents. The seals functionality is more akin to holding things in place until their released. |
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Post by uscgvet on Aug 24, 2020 17:41:04 GMT -6
worth checking out as information on interpreting how things play out has a series(seals,trumpets,bowls) they are layered. This ^ Edit: I just wanted to add this ^ again. This ^ |
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Post by venge on Aug 25, 2020 5:26:55 GMT -6
worth checking out as information on interpreting how things play out has a series(seals,trumpets,bowls) they are layered. This ^ Edit: I just wanted to add this ^ again. This ^ Well, I suppose we will see. If you’re still here on Sept 29, 2020 (after the rapture)...her theory is wrong or you are a Tribulation saint... Or her “concrete” date on April 3, 2021 when the AoD is setup. |
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Post by uscgvet on Aug 25, 2020 5:48:59 GMT -6
This ^ Edit: I just wanted to add this ^ again. This ^ Well, I suppose we will see. If you’re still here on Sept 29, 2020 (after the rapture)...her theory is wrong or you are a Tribulation saint... Or her “concrete” date on April 3, 2021 when the AoD is setup. Everyone seems to want to go straight to the sugary dates. I bring my A-1 sauce and go for the meat. |
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Post by venge on Aug 25, 2020 6:09:14 GMT -6
Well, I suppose we will see. If you’re still here on Sept 29, 2020 (after the rapture)...her theory is wrong or you are a Tribulation saint... Or her “concrete” date on April 3, 2021 when the AoD is setup. Everyone seems to want to go straight to the sugary dates. I bring my A-1 sauce and go straight for the meat. If the meat was like honey in your belly, you wouldn’t need steak sauce. But the real meat is in the word right? If her dates don’t add up, it will cost her as it has many in history. All those people on Amazon reviews that talk about her book and praise it - if it’s untrue is she gonna just move dates? People have done that too in the past aka Mormons |
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Post by uscgvet on Aug 25, 2020 6:15:34 GMT -6
Everyone seems to want to go straight to the sugary dates. I bring my A-1 sauce and go straight for the meat. If the meat was like honey in your belly, you wouldn’t need steak sauce. But the real meat is in the word right? If her dates don’t add up, it will cost her as it has many in history. All those people on Amazon reviews that talk about her book and praise it - if it’s untrue is she gonna just move dates? People have done that too in the past aka Mormons She stated she's going to throw the baby out with the bath water. I think her studies of the Book are the real crown. She stated that she tried to see if the day counts of 1290 + 1260 landing on proper feast dates happened in future years up to 2028. At that point she stopped searching. She felt that 2017 was the correct anchor point to use. Hard to argue against that. But I also think that 7000 years is the correct timeline of history and if Christ ascended to heaven in 30 AD or 33 AD and Stephen was stoned a year later, it's worth it to at least investigate out to 2034. |
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Post by mike on Aug 25, 2020 6:40:19 GMT -6
uscgvet have you seen the Edgewater Church series on the Metonic Cycle? Very very interesting regarding the day counts as pertaining to the cycle. I'll see if I can find it. EDIT-this is the third part and IMO the most critical one as he points out the possibilities for day counts to fit within the 1290 and the possible 'date set' EDIT 2 - this is bondservant's pastor and in my opinion a very very good teacher. If youre not interested in watching the entire clip, go to 44 minutes and see the possible date ranges
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Post by uscgvet on Aug 25, 2020 6:53:11 GMT -6
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Post by venge on Aug 25, 2020 6:59:44 GMT -6
If the meat was like honey in your belly, you wouldn’t need steak sauce. But the real meat is in the word right? If her dates don’t add up, it will cost her as it has many in history. All those people on Amazon reviews that talk about her book and praise it - if it’s untrue is she gonna just move dates? People have done that too in the past aka Mormons She stated she's going to throw the baby out with the bath water. I think her studies of the Book are the real crown. She stated that she tried to see if the day counts of 1290 + 1260 landing on proper feast dates happened in future years up to 2028. At that point she stopped searching. She felt that 2017 was the correct anchor point to use. Hard to argue against that. But I also think that 7000 years is the correct timeline of history and if Christ ascended to heaven in 30 AD or 33 AD and Stephen was stoned a year later, it's worth it to at least investigate out to 2034. I completely understand. From a Pre TB standpoint and for those that follow Rev 12 as a sign in outer space, I get how her methods seem to be plausible. Obviously I disagree with many of her suggestions, but that isnt the issue. It is the date setting she is set on. She said she wasnt 100% set on the rapture on Sept 28, 2020 - It could be moved alittle...but the April 3, 2021 AoD has to happen. Otherwise the Rev 12 sign that she follows was not the sign to start the count with and everything else falls out. The same thing I have seen members here post. If nothing happens by 2028, then everyone who said it has to happen, it will happen, the Rev 12 sign says it will happen - they will either say they missed the date or they will give it up and suggest they were wrong. Case in point when Jeff wrote this: Found here: www.unsealed.org/2020/08/2020-rapture-theory-third-day-birthday.html |
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Post by uscgvet on Aug 25, 2020 7:30:59 GMT -6
She stated she's going to throw the baby out with the bath water. I think her studies of the Book are the real crown. She stated that she tried to see if the day counts of 1290 + 1260 landing on proper feast dates happened in future years up to 2028. At that point she stopped searching. She felt that 2017 was the correct anchor point to use. Hard to argue against that. But I also think that 7000 years is the correct timeline of history and if Christ ascended to heaven in 30 AD or 33 AD and Stephen was stoned a year later, it's worth it to at least investigate out to 2034. I completely understand. From a Pre TB standpoint and for those that follow Rev 12 as a sign in outer space, I get how her methods seem to be plausible. Obviously I disagree with many of her suggestions, but that isnt the issue. It is the date setting she is set on. She said she wasnt 100% set on the rapture on Sept 28, 2020 - It could be moved alittle...but the April 3, 2021 AoD has to happen. Otherwise the Rev 12 sign that she follows was not the sign to start the count with and everything else falls out. The same thing I have seen members here post. If nothing happens by 2028, then everyone who said it has to happen, it will happen, the Rev 12 sign says it will happen - they will either say they missed the date or they will give it up and suggest they were wrong. Case in point when Jeff wrote this: Found here: www.unsealed.org/2020/08/2020-rapture-theory-third-day-birthday.htmlQuestion: what are your thoughts on Christ holding the Scribes and Pharisees accountable for not knowing his arrival date? Was Jesus not justified in doing so? |
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Post by venge on Aug 25, 2020 8:11:58 GMT -6
I completely understand. From a Pre TB standpoint and for those that follow Rev 12 as a sign in outer space, I get how her methods seem to be plausible. Obviously I disagree with many of her suggestions, but that isnt the issue. It is the date setting she is set on. She said she wasnt 100% set on the rapture on Sept 28, 2020 - It could be moved alittle...but the April 3, 2021 AoD has to happen. Otherwise the Rev 12 sign that she follows was not the sign to start the count with and everything else falls out. The same thing I have seen members here post. If nothing happens by 2028, then everyone who said it has to happen, it will happen, the Rev 12 sign says it will happen - they will either say they missed the date or they will give it up and suggest they were wrong. Case in point when Jeff wrote this: Found here: www.unsealed.org/2020/08/2020-rapture-theory-third-day-birthday.htmlQuestion: what are your thoughts on Christ holding the Scribes and Pharisees accountable for not knowing his arrival date? Was Jesus not justified in doing so? Are you talking about them not understanding his birth or his evangelizing? I think Jesus was justified. I think of Luke 16 in this regard. Whether it was his arrival or his resurrection...they had ears that didnt want to hear and eyes that were blind though they saw all he did. Do you mean to link those that didnt understand a future event to being punished to those that dont understand prophecy as being punished? I dont take it that way if that is what you mean. People, regardless if they understand prophecy or not, it all comes down to receiving the gospel. They saw and heard and denied all things. That was the key part of verse 30 above..."repent" and that repenting is part of believing. Perhaps I misunderstand your question. I am quite tired and didnt sleep well. Kids are killing me if Covid doesnt first. |
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