mike , And that is the main point I was trying to make Mike...and you said it below:
My actions are not making an impact in the voting booth, but they do to those I can have audience with.
I'm going to support child life with funding, I am going to council those who don't understand on the sanctity of marriage, I want to move people with my actions in love and respect not asking anything in return. My wife plans to vote and I dont try to sway her just like I wont do that here. Its just a personal thing for me that I wont put my approval on. But I still support those things (Christian principles) with my purse and my action.
Also, apologies boymaker for derailing your original topic.
Venge I do think we can take this side bar and get the convo back on track. You see... It is the Christian individual who makes the difference one person at a time. Jesus didnt overthrow Pilate or Herod. He instructed the disciples to go into the world and preach. The church at large has not done this, it is obvious by the fruits we see in the churches today.
Their is support for BLM, LGBTQ and other organizations/people who do not explain the gospel to people. Mother Teresa seemed like a great person helping those in need. She omitted the most important thing in her assistance - Christ! She fed and clothed people, but left their souls destined without hope in Him. What message is that? Ehat message is the church putting forth when we agree BLM? It is the heart of wickedness, not the tone of skin that is the issue. Why dont we talk about that?
I had opportunity to talk to several people while on vacation a couple weeks ago. BLM was a topic... While I had to acknowledge that there is a problem, I also had to point to the source of that problem (Jer 17:9) and the remedy, being Christ. We dont need laws to rid the world of racism, we need Jesus! We sont need churches accepting LGBTQ lifestyles, they need the Savior. Judgment will come on those who endorse these things. Lord have mercy! Anathema, Maranatha
John 13:35 By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.
Mike, others. I'm sorry for my word choice in the post. I can see how it could be seen as condemning. I agree that it's a very very complex and multi-faceted topic, and every party has some flaws, and every candidate has flaws.
Our own backgrounds and experiences also shape all our views - and it certainly doesn't make my view right, but it probably helps to clarify that I lived in Russia for 1 year and a half, just after the fall of Communism, and then in Poland, in the part that was former Germany, and the home of a Nazi Training center, and my father is a Marine veteran. I'm not equating any party with communism, but what i am saying is that for most people in most countries in the world - they don't have the luxury of having any Candidate - President, VP, governor, or prime minister, or school president who even shares Judeo-Christian values, but yet they have a desire to vote for the least bad of the choices. Edit : [Often, there is rampant corruption, bribes, and even drug money funding all candidates, and candidates involved in affairs, and yet one of the candidates supports radical muslims, and one of 4 candidates is openly pro-life. This is especially the case in South and central America and many countries in Europe. For tens of millions, of Latinos and Europeans there will never be a "Christian Candidate" in any party in their lifetime.
For tens of millions more - there is only one candidate to "vote for", or the citizens don't even vote at all- it's a dictatorship, or Communist regime. I've heard this from Russian Christians, Polish Christians and Ukrainian Christians and my own family in Honduras. It's a totally different paradigm that most Americans, thankfully, have never had to face, or even think about.]
I should have simply said that I think that this perspective is overlooked by many Americans who are given the choice in a local school board or County Sheriff, and none of the candidates are Christian, but people try to discern which one is the best, for the city or school.
To your point, my dear brother - I also should say that I vote for the person, not the party, and we have in fact voted for a man who was of one party for the Governor, who had stronger values, and then voted for another candidate from the opposing party for the Senate race, because that person was the better choice in the Senate race. Both were conservative. In my personal opinion - I've seen the effects of communism personally, and seen it affect my own children, and I've seen the damage that results when good people did not stand up or speak up. I should have said that for me, not voting is never an option, but I understand that others see it differently. We pray for wisdom and guidance, we pray for our leaders whoever they are, and we understand that "some trust in horses and some trust in chariots, but we trust in the name of the Lord our God." ;-)
Post by barbiosheepgirl on Oct 10, 2020 20:27:13 GMT -6
I also should say that I vote for the person, not the party, and we have in fact voted for a man ....
not to be disrespective d4L, but an individual person and the person's desire not longer will work. Please know that this mindset is in vain. People(aka politicians) are bought and paid for., caveat: unless you are not beholden to special interest/via money. This is our dilema and struggle/problem with holding on to the Constitution of America (USA). If people understood the money behind agenda, we would not be in our problem today. FOLLOW THE MONEY!
I HAVE to vote a PARTY LINE because the opposing party is anti-Christian. EVEN THOUGH, the person in the position of a party that seems to promote the Godly ways, is himself "sinful" and is not a role model, we have neither of that BTW...
My vote is a defensive vote against the destruction of freedom/God-honoring/liberty as described in the USA Constitution-type freedom, that God blessed those back in the day when this Nation was founded.. My vote is not about an individual person, but an Idea that I vote to PROTECT! The only nation in this world that proclaim "freedom." PROCLAIMS GOD and,,, JESUS!! Yes, Jesus... name another nation that proclaims Christ as her founding... and there are two parties to choose from: One that attempts to Honor God, and another that attempts to honor man... THAT is my plumbline of choice...
For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ, 1 Thes 5:9 KJV
Thank you for that explanation. I can understand that those that did not have a choice to vote, based upon their country, would not want to miss an opportunity to do it if given the chance. For me, I do realize the amazing ability it is to vote and those that died in this country fighting to secure freedom and democracy - that we have to do it. I have always voted for a candidate since I was able to and I am 45 this year. This will be the first time I wont. What is different is what I am seeing. Perhaps many things behind closed doors are always there, sometimes our own eyes see them and look away. But with todays 2 parties and their figure heads, I cant look away. It is a soup sandwich. From the president right to Congress. Total disfunction with a web of lies, deceit, and back door deals.
I am not refraining from every election. Just this one. I will pray to our Almighty that his will be done. He sets up Kings. It wont change my stance on HIM. I know we dont agree on rapture timing, but for me, I expect the world to get worse and for me (or if I am dead, Christians) to go through it. So whatever the outcome, I expect it to get worse...not better. It seems like a sad way to look at things but I rejoice knowing I have my Lord regardless of the stuff that flies my way =P
My vote is a defensive vote against the destruction of freedom/God-honoring/liberty as described in the USA Constitution-type freedom, that God blessed those back in the day when this Nation was founded..
I can understand that. I think most in my Church would say that is how they feel currently. Its a defensive vote to hold onto because the fear is to lose the Church/religion or other such things. I can only say I understand, but at the same time Christ told us not to fear man but fear God who can destroy both man and soul in hell. It is a difficult thing we are all in. This election verses any election I ever was a part of - this one is tough.
I mostly agree with your position Mike. One disagreement...we are of this country. and whatever neighborhood you live in. I am disgusted with our national, my state and my local governments. Voting is a farce...the only thing that changes is the rhetoric....the dem and rep can be compared to diet pepsi and diet coke. I'm not a pessimist...I am a realist.
Whatever happens will happen...it is meant to be by God's plan. Out future on earth (flat of round?) is very grim. I pray there will be a rapture...if not...it wasn't part of God's plan.
I will never voluntarily be tested for Covid-1984, nor will I ever choose to be vaccinated....I will starve and fight or maybe decapitated. It is pretty obvious what is coming. None of us can change the outcome...my position is to share the Word with other people...one-on-one when the opportunity arises....I wear a fish necklace I got in Jerusalem last Novemeber....it has initiated conversations...
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