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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2020 0:40:35 GMT -6
...female pastors.
I think this is potential for the great apostasy.
I've never seen such venom, such hysteria, as from professed Christians who feel church is going to kill them. Churches are closing until 2020 when the virus has a 99% survival rate even in California.
MacArthur said he literally lost evangelical friends over his stance. There has been a huge backlash against him. People WANT to surrender their corporate worship, and harass those who take a stand for it. Mac said his parishioners are being angrily confronted by their unbelieving neighbors.
Of course, it's just guessing. But I'm thinking God isn't being given the thanks and praise that He is due.
I'm singing louder tomorrow.
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Post by uscgvet on Aug 9, 2020 12:35:55 GMT -6
1 Samuel 8:18 And ye shall cry out in that day because of your king which ye shall have chosen you; and the Lord will not hear you in that day.
Republic/Democracy = which ye shall have chosen you
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Post by neural on Aug 9, 2020 23:47:02 GMT -6
The church is also committing a classic failure with the virus.
Researching what is going on, where the virus came from, how fast it can spread, etc. it seems to me that COVID-19 was a bio-weapon engineered to spread like wild fire, and have a very very high death rate, but GOD stepped in and said "no".
The news media, the governments, etc. all acted like the virus was acting as it was *designed* to act, because they didn't have a way to know how fast it would produce the death toll they were expecting. This resulted in Cuomo and other governors following their orders in spite of the virus not performing as expected. It failed to do it's crucial job (to kill people), and exposed the plans of the globalists and the media. If Cuomo and others had sent ill patients to all those nursing homes and the virus wound up having an insanely high rate of death, no-one would have noticed what the governors did. The death toll would have been in the millions, and their small part in killing off so many elderly people would have gone un-noticed in the turmoil.
GOD castrated the virus, making it ineffective, and yet the church is silent.
One need look no futher than the old testament to get an idea of how God feels about such things.
I do not stand silent on this subject. I recognize that God is the one who is in control, and it is by God's hand that COVID-19 is a *failed* bio-weapon.
As for the division, this has been building a long time. A very long time. The division has always been there, it's just now being brought to light where God will expose it and deal with it appropriately.
People argue over Romans and whether or not we should obey the governemnt, etc., others argue over prophecy "pre, mid, post", etc. If you go to a hundred different churches across the US on a hundred different Sundays, you'll hear a hundred different messages on salvation. Grace, works, grace + works, once saved always saved, once saved always saved unless you do something, and on and on and on.
How is it any wonder that we can't even agree on whether or not an anti-Christ government can tell us if we can worship at church or not, when we can't even agree on the core principles of our religion?
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Post by uscgvet on Aug 10, 2020 7:52:07 GMT -6
The church is also committing a classic failure with the virus. Researching what is going on, where the virus came from, how fast it can spread, etc. it seems to me that COVID-19 was a bio-weapon engineered to spread like wild fire, and have a very very high death rate, but GOD stepped in and said "no". The news media, the governments, etc. all acted like the virus was acting as it was *designed* to act, because they didn't have a way to know how fast it would produce the death toll they were expecting. This resulted in Cuomo and other governors following their orders in spite of the virus not performing as expected. It failed to do it's crucial job (to kill people), and exposed the plans of the globalists and the media. If Cuomo and others had sent ill patients to all those nursing homes and the virus wound up having an insanely high rate of death, no-one would have noticed what the governors did. The death toll would have been in the millions, and their small part in killing off so many elderly people would have gone un-noticed in the turmoil. GOD castrated the virus, making it ineffective, and yet the church is silent. One need look no futher than the old testament to get an idea of how God feels about such things. I do not stand silent on this subject. I recognize that God is the one who is in control, and it is by God's hand that COVID-19 is a *failed* bio-weapon. As for the division, this has been building a long time. A very long time. The division has always been there, it's just now being brought to light where God will expose it and deal with it appropriately. People argue over Romans and whether or not we should obey the governemnt, etc., others argue over prophecy "pre, mid, post", etc. If you go to a hundred different churches across the US on a hundred different Sundays, you'll hear a hundred different messages on salvation. Grace, works, grace + works, once saved always saved, once saved always saved unless you do something, and on and on and on. How is it any wonder that we can't even agree on whether or not an anti-Christ government can tell us if we can worship at church or not, when we can't even agree on the core principles of our religion? Old Testament... Deuteronomy 32:39 See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand. And obeying the Government isn't just Romans. It's 1 Peter 2: 13 Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake: whether it be to the king, as supreme; 14 Or unto governors, as unto them that are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers, and for the praise of them that do well. 15 For so is the will of God, that with well doing ye may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men: 16 As free, and not using your liberty for a cloke of maliciousness, but as the servants of God. 17 Honour all men. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honour the king. |
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Post by barbiosheepgirl on Aug 10, 2020 7:55:54 GMT -6
neural , amen... 1Pe 4:12 Beloved, do not be surprised at the fiery ordeal among you, which comes upon you for your testing, as though some strange thing were happening to you;
13but to the degree that you share the sufferings of Christ, keep on rejoicing, so that also at the revelation of His glory you may rejoice with exultation.
17For it is time for judgment to begin with the household of God; and if it begins with us first, what will be the outcome for those who do not obey the gospel of God?
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Post by venge on Aug 10, 2020 10:17:03 GMT -6
neural, You said: Do you not think it was God who allowed Covid19 to happen as one of his judgments in order to turn wicked nations to him and in doing so, he can heal their land? We always say God is in control, so he does or he allows pestilence to happen for a purpose. I think if he wanted Covid to be a failed bio weapon as you put it, he would have not let it escape or perhaps localized or even destroyed it. But this virus is world wide effecting the globe. It affects markets (401ks), jobs, healthcare, travel, entertainment etc... God uses real world events for matters of the spirit. We all know the world will get worse by crime, faithlessness, hate etc.. This virus only helps it go that way. If it wasn't God's plan to use it to further his kingdom, than it just exists as a "oops" moment in history that will be forgotten with absolutely no bearing on geopolitical events...except- that is exactly what it has done.
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Post by Joecool on Aug 10, 2020 10:34:05 GMT -6
Proverbs 16:4
The Lord has made everything for its own purpose,
Even the wicked for the day of evil.
Romans 8:28
And we know that God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose.
we are like puzzle pieces to one massive sized puzzle. Only God can see the beauty of the entire puzzle, while we can only see the one or two pieces around us (if that).
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Post by neural on Aug 11, 2020 14:42:13 GMT -6
venge,within the realm of free will, the individuals who are often called "the elite", "globalists", etc. devised a plan to throw off any balance in the world in order to create chaos and confusion, resulting, theoretically, in a world which would be ready to call for a single global government. The COVID-19 virus was released through free will by wicked men who are following the commands of Lucifer, and God simply said "nope". We are very near the end of this age, but even so, the timing of the one world government, the rapture, the anti-Christ, tribulation, and return will only happen according to God's schedule, not after, and not before. They tried "before", and God simply used it to swell the number of believers greatly.
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Post by venge on Aug 13, 2020 7:00:38 GMT -6
venge,within the realm of free will, the individuals who are often called "the elite", "globalists", etc. devised a plan to throw off any balance in the world in order to create chaos and confusion, resulting, theoretically, in a world which would be ready to call for a single global government. The COVID-19 virus was released through free will by wicked men who are following the commands of Lucifer, and God simply said "nope". We are very near the end of this age, but even so, the timing of the one world government, the rapture, the anti-Christ, tribulation, and return will only happen according to God's schedule, not after, and not before. They tried "before", and God simply used it to swell the number of believers greatly. Though I acknowledge that there are discussions in the world between parties in many things, I don’t dabble in conspiracies. Secondly, If wicked men are following the commands of the light bringer, they wouldn’t be wicked but Christian. That specific light bringer was cast down and his light extinguished. I recognize things are strange in 2020, but I don’t know if it’s the end of the age. They said that back in the 70’s and 80’s too - I remember it very well. When I see all the things Christ said we’d see, then I’ll know it’s at the door. I think we need to be pragmatic. Does it matter if Covid is created by animals or man in the sense of how we react? Everyone here testifies the world will get worse. Why are some surprised? It will continue more and our faith needs to be stronger. Anxiety’s can hurt ones faith. Perhaps that’s why Paul counseled his friends and said because of their patient endurance going through difficulties has strengthened them. Not just going thru motions but pushing thru them. Today, I keep hearing people here say: earthquakes, floods, protests, illness etc the end is upon us! Sounds like the Thessalonians. Paul councils us how and what we should do in that regard. |
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Post by disciple4life on Oct 8, 2020 9:36:54 GMT -6
Hello fellow watchmen, I'm not sure which thread this best fits, but it's certainly very disturbing and yet another example of the apostasy-churches and pastors totally departing from faith and reckless abuse/ twisting of scripture. www.prophecynewswatch.com/article.cfm?recent_news_id=4333www.prophecynewswatch.com/article.cfmrecent_news_id=4333The "so called evangelicals for Biden " equated the murder of babies ripped apart limb by limb with global warming and smoking. So so disgusting. The worst part is that they claim to be Evangelicals. I wonder why the article didn't list the denomination. I'm sure we can all guess the top 2 or 3 on the list. Come Lord Jesus Disciple4life. |
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Post by venge on Oct 9, 2020 8:10:46 GMT -6
Why must Christians vote for a King to rule over them? Both parties are not Christian in the truest sense. Both parties have Christian policies and non Christian policies.
Our political environment has made me sick the last few years. I want to support babies, I dont want to support homosexuality. I feel both are positions that stand firm on what God's word lays out. But what about other issues? Treating the foreigner who comes into our land as our own citizen? What about caring for the poor and needy? What about putting a hardship (a yoke around the necks of foreign nations) to force them to do what we want though it hurts the people of those nations via trade tariffs. What about telling the truth, what about fruit, what about ourselves and not money, the 401ks and the stock market...all things part of the flesh. We don't want to hear that, we want to stay on our platform and say we support babies even though the same party does many things listed above and more I have yet to comment on.
Both parties have problems. So what do we do? Not vote or vote? One thing is true, our citizenship is in heaven and not here. We are foreigners in a foreign land. Why do so many love where we live when its full of sin? Whether we live in the USA or under threat in Somalia, as a Christian we are to live for Christ. Pray for our Governments, our leaders...but our Governments arnt to make the world better. Their policies are not to one day be perfect, semi perfect or even remotely better. Only Christ can do that...and we help him do that by how we live our life according to his purpose and letting others that dont know Christ "see it".
Every time I hear someone say I'm voting republican because I support all life....what about the life of the poor, the life or the needy, the life of the foreigner, the life of others? Its not black and white. Both are lose - lose.
And we are stuck in the middle. /sigh
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Post by disciple4life on Oct 9, 2020 15:13:01 GMT -6
boymaker, uscgvet, neural, barbiosheepgirl, venge, Joecool, nana, mike, sog, Natalie, Beloved, My dear fellow watchmen, It's really pretty simple -- While it's true that neither party is perfect, the choices are really clear and the contrast is also very clear and striking. It's disingenuous for anyone to pretend or imply that our choices are between Vanilla and French Vanilla, or that both are horribly evil. Every Christian should vote. Why?? Because all that is required for evil to prosper is for good men and women to do nothing. The entire culture is literally shaped and affected for good and evil for generations to come through the action of the Supreme Court. When Christians sit on their duffs and not vote, the result is we have Supreme Court Justices, who in turn make rulings which allowed abortion, and allowed homosexuals to marry, and homosexuals to adopt children, and people to 'assist in suicide' because they are in pain, or unhappy, or the age of sexual consent to be lowered to 14, or polygamy, etc, etc. In the past 30 years, we have seen a massive increase in evil and perversion at many levels, -- all because so-called Christians say they support the Bible, but their actions mean that those who oppose scripture and the Judeo-Christian values our country was founded upon are put in power. The very radical mayors and Governors who are in power today-- discriminating against Churches in the Planndemic, are a direct result of passive Christians who didn't vote. The Holocaust happened, because tens of thousands of "Christian Germans" knew it was clearly and unquestionably against the Bible, but felt it was not their place or role to stand up and speak out. Deitrich Bonhoffer very harshly and rightly spoke out and condemned the "deafening silence" of the apathetic German church, and told them that in their in-action, they were complicit - and he was 100% right. When Christians 'sit out' because apathy, or all the other excuses - "neither candidate is really an evangelical", "Candidate F doesn't have good theology" or "Candidate K" said this". Aside from it's blatant vocal support of late term abortion, the Democrat party very solidly and unmistakably supports LGBTPERVERSION as well as transgender, and propaganda of this Homosexual agenda, being pushed on children in schools, and is blatantly against Israel, and against Christians, and supports illegal immigration, and the majority of Democrat politicians supports the fake, so-called Palestinians, which is not a race, not a nation, not a people, and no passport, and no Palestinian language, and no historical artifacts, and no Palestinian currency. We need to apply the same standard for the presidential elections, that we would apply for two candidates for the School Board Superintendent, or the Home Owners Association, or the Parent Teachers Association, or the Local Sheriff, when neither candidate in any of the race is a Christian. You simply don't sit out and not vote for the Home Owners Association, or the City mayor, when one has a long pattern of bribes, or one has a known history of alcoholism, and tax evasion. In almost every single case, - almost without exception, if you ask a person about the policies - they would clearly say they support or agree with most of the policies of the candidate, but they just don't like the personality, or for example, they don't like the way that President trump tweets. It's just the same as in our own Christian walk - if you do nothing, - you're not just sitting still - our actions and lack of actions have consequences that affect the children and future generations as well. We can't say we want Biblical values, and when given a choice of an imperfect choice or an evil choice - do nothing. Disciple4life
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Post by boraddict on Oct 9, 2020 19:57:15 GMT -6
venge, you are so very right in your assessments about the two political parties. We all have a lot to say about all the issues because it is quite simple to us. Follow Lord Jesus in all things. How did he treat the poor? How did he treat the babies? How did he treat the sinners? It is all so simple and yet so hard to follow. Let's repent and try to correct ourselves and follow Lord Jesus.
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Post by venge on Oct 9, 2020 20:47:19 GMT -6
Don't misunderstand me. I am not telling anyone not to vote. Voting has a purpose and suits a need. But today, its "if you are a Christian, you will vote to support life" which is the Republicans. But for me, I cannot vote for a man that lies, a man that is dishonest, a man that puts tariffs on people, a man that makes fun of the handicapped, a man that is full of pride, a man that elevates himself above all and policies that hurt everyone but the rich. I cannot trade 1 major Christian principle (anti-abortion) for all the others that are cast aside and used to destroy lives. This is the bramble bush. We all must stand before God and give a testimony of our lives. I wont stand before the Almighty and say I voted for man that I knew, and all of you know, is was wrong. A man that did terrible things to people in this country and overseas just so I could vote for anti abortion. I don't remember Christ telling us voting is what will change this world into his kingdom....I thought it was preaching and living our lives for him so that when people see it, they praise him. Voting has actionable success with certain degree. But I will not vote for the things that the republicans will do that are anti Christian. And i will not vote for the democrats that will do things anti Christian. I will not put my name for 1 positive and many negatives as if 1 thing rules out the others. This problem will never be fixed till we have a different political party. One that doesnt lower itself to calling people names (What Trump does) or making fun of the VP cause a fly landed on him (Biden lowering himself to Trumps level).
Arnt we just supposed to trust in God and live in the world but not be a part of the world? Abstaining from a vote is not a sin and it wont hurt you. But voting for someone to put them in power, that God has control of, is putting your approval stamp on them knowing full well what they will do or the party will do, and all the negative that comes with it. (Is that ho w the AC comes to power? Imagine if he was anti abortion but a wicked mouth...hmm) - Your Okaying that with your approval. If this was another man running for President, you could say I didnt know he'd do that...but we Know Trump and we know Biden. There is no excuses not knowing what either will do and your vote for either - though in good taste, also comes with the bad.
EDIT: No, we dont sit out and act as if nothing happens. We still council people, we fund anti abortion clinics, we pass out information about why its important, we educate the public on it. No one said to just stop and stand still. There are many things we can do as Christians outside of voting. All those things change peoples lives and they are actionable in your face reasons.
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Post by mike on Oct 10, 2020 7:39:03 GMT -6
disciple4life I am happy to see that you are passionate about the topic of exercising your right to vote. It is your desire to cast your support behind a candidate that you feel supports your views. However others, like myself may not quite feel the same way you do. Therefore I ask you to refrain from stating things like: It is not for the court to decide this or prohibit it, rather it is the Christian who doesn't speak up to their neighbor who is accountable. Who remembers Sandra Day OConnor, who was appointed by Reagan yet upheld abortion rights? See its not always a one to one when we think we are voting for the right thing is it? Reagan was supposed to concur Roe v Wade with new appointments but we see how that went. Voting or not voting is not the answer. Supporting one candidate over another is not the answer as the 2 choices we have are both horrible. Has the current president spoke one word about this topic? Has he condemned homosexual union or transgenderism? Has the current president supported breaking Gods everlasting covenant? I support neither, rather it is my intent to discuss these topics with people I can have an audience with and possibly influence over expressing the desires of the true King. This country is not my home. I am a visitor in a foreign land. Although I live in this land I am not of this land and chose not to participate in the unrighteousness of either of the parties. My wifes niece thinks she a man. Does casting a ballot in November change that? It is the wickedness in her heart, believing a lie that is the problem and no amount of legislation will enact change. God raises up kings and removes them, does He not? although I do not rejoice in their unrighteous acts, it God who plants them in their place for His purpose regardless of of how I feel or may vote (or not). Rom 13:1 Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God.My actions are not making an impact in the voting booth, but they do to those I can have audience with. I ask you to refrain from the condemnation of those who choose differently than you and have a differing opinion on this topic. Please see the forum rule 3 on this my friend Rom 14:5 One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind.
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