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Post by Natalie on Jul 15, 2020 19:22:30 GMT -6
I am going to disagree...it's a heart issue.
If she is purposely dressing in a skimpy fashion to attract male attention - then yes, she is also guilty.
If she has had no guidance and doesn't realize that what she is wearing could cause someone to stumble, then she is ignorant and needs enlightened. (especially if she is a believer).
If she is a beautiful woman dressed tastefully, men may still lust after her. Is she at fault?
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Jul 15, 2020 20:15:19 GMT -6
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Post by venge on Jul 15, 2020 20:15:19 GMT -6
I am going to disagree...it's a heart issue. If she is purposely dressing in a skimpy fashion to attract male attention - then yes, she is also guilty. If she has had no guidance and doesn't realize that what she is wearing could cause someone to stumble, then she is ignorant and needs enlightened. (especially if she is a believer). If she is a beautiful woman dressed tastefully, men may still lust after her. Is she at fault? No, she would not be at fault. It is the one who lust that commits the sin. I only explained that others have a responsibility to not cause others to sin that are weak to sin. |
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Jul 15, 2020 20:29:06 GMT -6
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Post by mike on Jul 15, 2020 20:29:06 GMT -6
Venge my point was we are weak in different ways. What you may think is sinful (SI cover model perhaps) others may not.
As Natalie said if she did it purposefully to tempt, then yes she is guilty.
Your analogy has many flaws, and does not relate well to the mask IMO. There is no temptation for others to sin by not wearing a mask, when not recommended to do so.
The serpent! Are you serious? He lied,twisting what God said! He didnt have to eat to be punished. He deceived. Adam transgressed. He was specifically instructed NOT to eat and chose to. All 3 guilty on their own.
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Post by yardstick on Jul 15, 2020 22:10:16 GMT -6
I see your point here venge but also understand that it is the sick who are quarantined not the healthy. (See Lev 13 regarding leprosy and think COVID as you read it.) Where I dont believe I should wear something that prevents someone from catching something I do not have. There is a HUGE element of deception with this entire "virus" and its transmission. Even the WHO recently stated < link> that it is extremely difficult (but cant be ruled out) for someone with no symptoms to transmit the virus. But we dont hear that broadcast in the media much. I (re)posted a lengthy article in the shoutbox today regarding the test used to determine if one has the virus or not. Here is the link. Short version - quoting the article "The reason is that the intended use of the PCR was, and still is, to apply it as a manufacturing technique being able to replicate DNA sequences millions and billions of times, and not as a diagnostic tool to detect viruses." & "the existence of SARS-CoV-2 RNA is based on faith, not fact." So to wear a mask, shut down business, isolate people and such is not so much signaling to others that we do not care. BUT when someone is already convinced that what they have been repeatedly told is true, they believe it even if false, it is those people who are already determined that if you dont wear a mask youre a horrible person and dont care about others. That form of thinking is self-righteous - believe me! I experienced that in my own home last week! Those who look at others not wearing masks ought not to judge. People with asthma shouldnt be wearing them. Ever heard of pluerisy? wearing a mask too long could cause it! How about people like nana . If you (not you specifically venge) are at risk, stay home or take precaution to prevent yourself from catching this or any other virus, flu, infection that would cause harm. EDIT-Also if you see my post above from June 19, help explain that? doesnt make any sense given they have telling us how dangerously infectious this is does it. How about another one. A good friend of mine is an officer in Hudson County NJ. IF you arent familiar its right across the river from NYC and at one point had the highest infection rate in the country after NYC. He caught it April. His wife has lupus, which means her immune system is already compromised. Guess who didnt catch corona from her husband? Now I know none of you have ever met the people in my examples. So for some its only hearsay, but for me I know them well enough to believe they are telling the truth. HOWEVER, if the test they are using (read above article) isnt valid then did either of my examples really have it at all or did they have symptoms of something else? Hmmmm commonly referred to as "virtue signalling" |
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Post by mike on Jul 16, 2020 5:53:00 GMT -6
I am going to disagree...it's a heart issue. If she is purposely dressing in a skimpy fashion to attract male attention - then yes, she is also guilty. If she has had no guidance and doesn't realize that what she is wearing could cause someone to stumble, then she is ignorant and needs enlightened. (especially if she is a believer). If she is a beautiful woman dressed tastefully, men may still lust after her. Is she at fault? Just happened to be doing my daily bible reading today, here's where I am: Matt 5:27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery: 28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.No implication that it was the womans contribution, rather the heart of the man. |
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Post by venge on Jul 16, 2020 6:54:56 GMT -6
Venge my point was we are weak in different ways. What you may think is sinful (SI cover model perhaps) others may not. As Natalie said if she did it purposefully to tempt, then yes she is guilty. Your analogy has many flaws, and does not relate well to the mask IMO. There is no temptation for others to sin by not wearing a mask, when not recommended to do so. The serpent! Are you serious? He lied,twisting what God said! He didnt have to eat to be punished. He deceived. Adam transgressed. He was specifically instructed NOT to eat and chose to. All 3 guilty on their own. I am not saying there is temptation for others to sin by not wearing a mask. I was saying that the mask is helpful for others by wearing it, it demonstrates awareness as well as mutual respect for others. I was using the serpent illustration to show something else, I wasn't trying to get into a "mask is sin" notion. Far from it. The analogy was lost if you didn't get it and that's fine. The point is, the mask doesn't prohibit someone's faith. Wearing it has benefits for others. Not wearing it, though we may not be contagious, is a sign of contempt to many people and to many it is deemed offensive and not caring. The mask was worn in 1918 during Spanish flu and eventually it went away. I wear the mask when I leave my home (I don't wear it in my car). My daughter and wife wears them as well. Why? To make sure we don't contract any disease and to abide by common laws. If it wasn't a law, but it is asked we do so...I would wear it out of respect. That's for me and my family regardless of how others view my wearing it. We must remember in all things to "live peaceably with all men" if at all possible. |
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Post by Joecool on Jul 16, 2020 10:44:03 GMT -6
I have just been informed by the industrial yard where I work that it has now initiated a policy that if any employee is seen without a mask or refuses to put on mask when asked, they will be written up and will be told to leave for the remainder of the work day. They now have people designated for surveillance and with forms for writing up employees.
The masks were optional now they are mandatory. Hope the vaccine don't become mandatory.
I personally hate wearing the mask, but if it makes others around me feel safer and at ease why not. I generally walk around without it and then put it on, especially if I pass by someone who is wearing their's.
Titus 3:1-2
1 Remind them to be subject to rulers and authorities, to obey, to be ready for every good work, 2 to speak evil of no one, to be peaceable, gentle, showing all humility to all men.
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Post by disciple4life on Jul 20, 2020 15:29:45 GMT -6
The clip here says it all. The entire plannedemic and the masks are all part of a much larger agenda of government control, monitoring and setting the stage. m.facebook.com/watch/?v=745636529572000&_rdrIf the link doesn't open, google The United Spot, the Mask on YouTube. I must say the comparison of the mask agenda and a woman who dresses immodestly are as different as abortion to the third temple, or comparing homeschooling to adultery. One is a clear Biblical sin issue and the other is a social issue with multiple complex factors and nuances and layers. As a side note, healthy people wearing a mask for the emotional comfort of those who choose to be ruled by fear or who choose to wear one because they naively think it's keeping them from getting sick is a lot like the pro-vaccine people who try to use guilt and shame and say that those who personally choose against vaccines are inconsiderate or spreading viruses to the healthy population. |
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Post by disciple4life on Jul 26, 2020 19:27:19 GMT -6
Natalie , venge , mike , yardstick , Joecool , disciple4life , bernie , nana , sog , others, The latest Prophecy Update by JD Farag is phenomenal. So informative and eye-opening. He has quotes by Dr Fauci, as well as the World Health Organization which show the rate of inneffectiveness of masks, and even the increased medical risks of wearing them. He quotes someone who has done extensive research on viruses and the size of blood cells, viruses and other things. A human hair is 100 microns in diameter. Imagine 100 tiny coffee stir stick straws, all in a bundle. A Coronavirus is 1/10 of one micron in diameter. So the virus is 1000x smaller than a human hair. N95 masks, mean that it's 95% effective in filtering out molecules that are 3 microns and larger -- 30 x larger than the coronavirus. A mask is like 6 x 6 inch cattle wire on your screen door. It would keep sheep out, but not any bugs. He also exposes the ultimate agenda behind the false mask narrative, and mask mandate hysteria. It is nothing more than incrementalism and setting the stage for the Mark of the beast. "I can't see a scenario where we wake up and see our news feed. 'It's all good now. You can take the mask off.' The narrative continues that Covid 19 is never going away, and life will never return until there is a vaccine." calvarychapelkaneohe.com/prophecy-updates/ "The Mask Mandate" July 26th. Disciple4life
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Post by bernie on Jul 26, 2020 20:50:26 GMT -6
d4l, excellent recap. And in my own life I notice I don't feel 100% after wearing it. And I only wear it when I go in stores, and I don't stay very long, yet I notice it does affect me. Some of that may be my age, but I don't see it having any value, and I definitely believe for some it has a negative impact on their health.
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