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Post by barbiosheepgirl on Jun 18, 2020 20:56:45 GMT -6
big sigh, here from this one following our Lord as best I can in this flesh...
I am tired of being shamed for not wearing one.
My faith in my Lord guides me to Life in Him and thru Him and this mask thing is like denying Our Lord . Sorry. That is how I feel.
I see more touching of the face with the mask on then my ownself without a mask.
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Post by fitz on Jun 19, 2020 3:08:10 GMT -6
The mask does nothing to protect the wearer. It only potentially protects those you come in contact with. The theory goes that if everyone assumes they may be sick or a carrier and wears a mask, we all are better protected.
Personally, I wear it where I know it will make others feel more comfortable (i.e. the grocery store), but I'm starting to really hate (resent) wearing it. I had already checked out of this world...then this happened.
Maranatha!
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Post by yardstick on Jun 19, 2020 3:27:43 GMT -6
barbiosheepgirl , fitz , I have done everything I can to NOT wear one, even though I have heard (hearsay) that a particular county in washington requires wearing one in public. The Lord as seen fit to remove me from this area as of Monday, and I am grateful to leave, so I am less worried about it. fitz is right in what he has pointed out, in that the presumption by using it is that you are sick (creates the presumption of 'guilt', imho). As I have heard mentioned, you quarantine sick people, not people who are well. I dont buy this notion of 'asymptomatic carriers' who have the virus, and can spread it; but show no symptoms. This is based upon my understanding that someone who 'tests positive' has the anti-bodies; but having anti-bodies does not make one contagious. Since it is well established that only those people over 50 who have immune system problems, or medical problems are the high risk people, it makes little sense, imho, to require people whose risk is minimal to comply with many of the requirements that have been promulgated.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2020 4:05:02 GMT -6
Just a question out of curiosity. While it is mandatory here in Germany to wear a mask in specific places, which must cover mouth and nose, it is not specified, what material the mask has to be made of.... Meaning, you can create your own one, e.g. from net curtain. I see this as a great opportunity  What's it like over there? Are you forced to wear specific masks? |
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Post by mike on Jun 19, 2020 4:48:03 GMT -6
@reepicheep masks here are suggested to be cloth or other medical type.
My HVAC guy was here yesterday for a few minutes to check on something. Hes a friend of my father in law. At the beginning of this (mid-March) his wife was diagnosed corona.
He did not display any symptoms, but was quarantined with her.
He told me yesterday that he was tested 2 weeks ago and according to the test, had no anti-bodies (meaning he never had it).
If the virus is so contagious, how did a man, living in a home and sleeping in the same bed NOT catch this highly contagious virus?
On the masks and our being forced to wear them. There have been several stories regarding the negative effects of continued (consecutive duration) mask wearing, including two teens in China (or was it Japan) who died from asphyxiation and a store worker developed pleurisy.
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Post by nana on Jun 19, 2020 8:25:41 GMT -6
The strange thing is with a mask the only thing that shows are the eyes which reminds me of the all seeing eye. Also this year is 2020 as in 20/20 vision?
Personally I believe this "virus" either did not kill as many as the globalist wanted or was a setup for when a much more virulent virus is released this fall if the globalist get their way, people will not listen to the so-called experts, think of their mantra on the Georgia Guidestone in 8 different languages.
I distance from people, my lungs do not work well with a mask anyway and am alive by the grace of God. The only time I am forced to wear one is to the hospital for treatment.
One more thing, their, the globalist face recognition program will not work well when people are within 6 feet of each other.
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Post by Natalie on Jun 19, 2020 8:53:18 GMT -6
I won't shame someone for wearing one or not wearing one. I think at this point it should be personal preference (or if I were to go visit someone I would follow their preference out of love for them).
IL had made masks mandatory if you cannot maintain 6 feet apart. Not all places require one. For example, there is a big sign at Kroger and Walmart that you have to be wearing one. The pet store does not have such a sign. If I want groceries, I will have to wear a mask. I take it off as soon as I am headed to my car. (I suppose I could order and do pick up, but my neighbor was doing that and it wasn't always a positive experience.)
But I see people all the time with it down below their nose or they are continually touching it and pulling on it. I find that I touch my face less when I have one on.
I do think that this whole situation has been a great propellant for the globalist agenda. What greater push for a united world than to have a pandemic.
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Post by stormyknight on Jun 19, 2020 12:23:53 GMT -6
It appears to me that our good Lord has given everyone here insight to the truth, as we all trust that He does. "The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom; all who follow His precepts have a rich understanding. His praise endures forever! " Psalm 111:10
"The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom, and knowledge of the Holy One is understanding." Proverbs 9:10
"The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge; fools despise wisdom and instruction." Proverbs 1:7
"The fear..." might be better translated as respect or reverence. And as everyone here has a healthy respect for our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, it is no wonder that we can see through..the...mask!  |
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Post by mike on Jun 19, 2020 13:12:50 GMT -6
stormyknight - another "fear" verse Prov 29:25 The fear of man bringeth a snare: but whoso putteth his trust in the LORD shall be safe.
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Post by stormyknight on Jun 19, 2020 13:31:56 GMT -6
That's a great one, mike ,. I caught that one in the video that Gary post of the woman preaching at the protests. If we fear what others' opinions about wearing masks or distancing, we're going to get in trouble. We must let Jesus guide us and we must keep that fear/respect that He will be with us when confronted by this worlds issues or we'll be caught in that snare. Been there, done that! I, for one, hate feeling that cold pit in my stomach when I know I didn't trust Him and now have to deal with someone who now has the upper hand. Feeling stupid, feeling scared, cold sweat, watering eyes... BUT! that feeling when we do trust in Jesus and 'wait for it', the reward is soooo sweet and peaceful. (I'm saying this because I just had it happen to me a couple of days ago. Stood my ground against a bullying co-worker, but I waited and asked Jesus to be with me. The feeling of elation afterward was almost overwhelming. I feared this man once, but no more. All glory to Jesus!!) |
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Jul 15, 2020 13:04:38 GMT -6
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Post by venge on Jul 15, 2020 13:04:38 GMT -6
big sigh, here from this one following our Lord as best I can in this flesh... I am tired of being shamed for not wearing one. My faith in my Lord guides me to Life in Him and thru Him and this mask thing is like denying Our Lord . Sorry. That is how I feel. I see more touching of the face with the mask on then my ownself without a mask. When disease comes, using proper methods of control does not invalidate our faith. Also, as a believer, faith does not keep us from catching disease, being eaten by animals, murdered, abused etc I think those that think they are not sick, should think about those that can be sickened (immune suppressed) and a mask helps. It doesn’t hinder. For man people,, seeing someone not wearing a mask is like saying “I don’t care about you and your family” (if they get sick) “it’s all about me”. But recognizing someone wearing it is deemed acceptable because they are doing their part. Just my observations |
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Post by mike on Jul 15, 2020 14:09:49 GMT -6
I see your point here venge but also understand that it is the sick who are quarantined not the healthy. (See Lev 13 regarding leprosy and think COVID as you read it.) Where I dont believe I should wear something that prevents someone from catching something I do not have. There is a HUGE element of deception with this entire "virus" and its transmission. Even the WHO recently stated < link> that it is extremely difficult (but cant be ruled out) for someone with no symptoms to transmit the virus. But we dont hear that broadcast in the media much. I (re)posted a lengthy article in the shoutbox today regarding the test used to determine if one has the virus or not. Here is the link. Short version - quoting the article "The reason is that the intended use of the PCR was, and still is, to apply it as a manufacturing technique being able to replicate DNA sequences millions and billions of times, and not as a diagnostic tool to detect viruses." & "the existence of SARS-CoV-2 RNA is based on faith, not fact." So to wear a mask, shut down business, isolate people and such is not so much signaling to others that we do not care. BUT when someone is already convinced that what they have been repeatedly told is true, they believe it even if false, it is those people who are already determined that if you dont wear a mask youre a horrible person and dont care about others. That form of thinking is self-righteous - believe me! I experienced that in my own home last week! Those who look at others not wearing masks ought not to judge. People with asthma shouldnt be wearing them. Ever heard of pluerisy? wearing a mask too long could cause it! How about people like nana. If you (not you specifically venge) are at risk, stay home or take precaution to prevent yourself from catching this or any other virus, flu, infection that would cause harm. EDIT-Also if you see my post above from June 19, help explain that? doesnt make any sense given they have telling us how dangerously infectious this is does it. How about another one. A good friend of mine is an officer in Hudson County NJ. IF you arent familiar its right across the river from NYC and at one point had the highest infection rate in the country after NYC. He caught it April. His wife has lupus, which means her immune system is already compromised. Guess who didnt catch corona from her husband? Now I know none of you have ever met the people in my examples. So for some its only hearsay, but for me I know them well enough to believe they are telling the truth. HOWEVER, if the test they are using (read above article) isnt valid then did either of my examples really have it at all or did they have symptoms of something else? Hmmmm |
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Post by venge on Jul 15, 2020 16:28:25 GMT -6
I see your point here venge but also understand that it is the sick who are quarantined not the healthy. (See Lev 13 regarding leprosy and think COVID as you read it.) Where I dont believe I should wear something that prevents someone from catching something I do not have. There is a HUGE element of deception with this entire "virus" and its transmission. Even the WHO recently stated < link> that it is extremely difficult (but cant be ruled out) for someone with no symptoms to transmit the virus. But we dont hear that broadcast in the media much. I (re)posted a lengthy article in the shoutbox today regarding the test used to determine if one has the virus or not. Here is the link. Short version - quoting the article "The reason is that the intended use of the PCR was, and still is, to apply it as a manufacturing technique being able to replicate DNA sequences millions and billions of times, and not as a diagnostic tool to detect viruses." & "the existence of SARS-CoV-2 RNA is based on faith, not fact." So to wear a mask, shut down business, isolate people and such is not so much signaling to others that we do not care. BUT when someone is already convinced that what they have been repeatedly told is true, they believe it even if false, it is those people who are already determined that if you dont wear a mask youre a horrible person and dont care about others. That form of thinking is self-righteous - believe me! I experienced that in my own home last week! Those who look at others not wearing masks ought not to judge. People with asthma shouldnt be wearing them. Ever heard of pluerisy? wearing a mask too long could cause it! How about people like nana. If you (not you specifically venge) are at risk, stay home or take precaution to prevent yourself from catching this or any other virus, flu, infection that would cause harm. EDIT-Also if you see my post above from June 19, help explain that? doesnt make any sense given they have telling us how dangerously infectious this is does it. How about another one. A good friend of mine is an officer in Hudson County NJ. IF you arent familiar its right across the river from NYC and at one point had the highest infection rate in the country after NYC. He caught it April. His wife has lupus, which means her immune system is already compromised. Guess who didnt catch corona from her husband? Now I know none of you have ever met the people in my examples. So for some its only hearsay, but for me I know them well enough to believe they are telling the truth. HOWEVER, if the test they are using (read above article) isnt valid then did either of my examples really have it at all or did they have symptoms of something else? Hmmmm Ok, you don’t think you should wear something in order to help someone else? How to you tell a daughter not to wear skimpy clothes because doing so entices men to sin. She may have not sinned, but her actions can cause others to sin. Obviously a mask isn’t sinful, but I think we should always do what we can for others before ourselves |
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Post by mike on Jul 15, 2020 17:01:40 GMT -6
Its ok that we dont agree brother. As i said
"I see your point..." And I wear it where I'm forced to but nowhere I'm not.
To your skimpy clothing comment. It is the sinful desire in that individual who is lusting after something not his. His sin not hers.
Your analogy of masks to how a woman may wear clothes is not apples to apples friend.
Everyone must cover their mouth and nose, male & female.
Covering a body, in your example, is from one point of view. Had you considered the girl in the skimpy outfit has hair on her legs? Is several hundred pounds overweight? Has a deformity in her physical body? Had you considered that a woman (lesbian) could be repulsed by the Sports Illustrared swimsuit edition looking girl thinking "shes been violated by mysogynistic chauvinist"
We must love and reach the lost whatever way possible and consider them above ourselves. The time is getting quite short. If wearing a mask helps you reach people, Praise the Lord. If me not wearing helps me open a discussion so I speak about Christ, Praise the Lord.
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Jul 15, 2020 17:58:52 GMT -6
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Post by venge on Jul 15, 2020 17:58:52 GMT -6
Its ok that we dont agree brother. As i said "I see your point..." And I wear it where I'm forced to but nowhere I'm not. To your skimpy clothing comment. It is the sinful desire in that individual who is lusting after something not his. His sin not hers. Your analogy of masks to how a woman may wear clothes is not apples to apples friend. Everyone must cover their mouth and nose, male & female. Covering a body, in your example, is from one point of view. Had you considered the girl in the skimpy outfit has hair on her legs? Is several hundred pounds overweight? Has a deformity in her physical body? Had you considered that a woman (lesbian) could be repulsed by the Sports Illustrared swimsuit edition looking girl thinking "shes been violated by mysogynistic chauvinist" We must love and reach the lost whatever way possible and consider them above ourselves. The time is getting quite short. If wearing a mask helps you reach people, Praise the Lord. If me not wearing helps me open a discussion so I speak about Christ, Praise the Lord. Correct, his sin but she is complicit in it. Even Eve, when tempted by the serpent, was punished and the serpent as well though he did not eat of it. |
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