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Post by rg86 on May 10, 2020 21:13:09 GMT -6
Hey everyone, the last few days it occurred to me that after the Rapture, there are still 7 years to go. So it seems like even if the Rapture initially takes all the babies and kids away, what about the babies and kids who are conceived and then grow up for the next 7 years until the Lord's return? It seems like they will be growing up in an absolutely horrible time of mostly utter devastation. Not to mention the mark of the beast. Would it be placed on these children, who don't even have the capacity to choose what they want? What happens to them? Obviously the Lord is merciful, compassionate, and just, and He will do the right thing. I suppose some surviving children might then make it into the Millennial Kingdom and grow up there. But I was wondering if anyone had a Biblical take on this issue. Particularly I was wondering about the mark of the beast issue. If the mark does indeed contain some kind of vaccine and/or identification, then I can imagine kids being the first ones offered up for that. However, as I was writing, one thing did occur to me... perhaps when the mark is initially released, only adults will take it initially. And then Revelation 16 says the first bowl of wrath is poured out and all those who took the mark develop sores. Maybe those sores will prevent them from applying it to kids once they see the terrible medical result. Hmm.
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Post by yardstick on May 11, 2020 2:20:36 GMT -6
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Post by mike on May 11, 2020 7:32:32 GMT -6
Welcome to Unsealed rg86 - you've asked quite the loaded question with there being a few differing views on the timing of the rapture and length of the Tribulation. However from the view that you present, I think Yardstick has given some valid guidance. Those that would remain after a (7 year) pre-trib rapture would all effectively be considered non-believers. A step further in my mind is a God-hater, one who has no regard for our Creator, His ways, guidance, rules, etc. (Rom 1:30, Jam 4:4, among others). Taking a look back where those societies have no regard for Him we see things like sacrificing children to Molech, we can see how the Lord views the people who commit such heinous acts Lev 20:2 Again, thou shalt say to the children of Israel, Whosoever he be of the children of Israel, or of the strangers that sojourn in Israel, that giveth any of his seed unto Molech; he shall surely be put to death: the people of the land shall stone him with stones. 3 And I will set my face against that man, and will cut him off from among his people; because he hath given of his seed unto Molech, to defile my sanctuary, and to profane my holy name. 4 And if the people of the land do any ways hide their eyes from the man, when he giveth of his seed unto Molech, and kill him not: 5 Then I will set my face against that man, and against his family, and will cut him off, and all that go a whoring after him, to commit whoredom with Molech, from among their people.As you are likely aware, if the last 7 years before the Second Coming of the Messiah are to look like we think they may, the children have much to be concerned with physically. They will be left in a virtually Godless world with tyrannical leaders LIKE Gov A Cuomo, who do not hold value on innocent lives. BUT GOD! He is merciful and though we may not understand how He would or could allow the types of pagan practices of old to happen when they did, He in fact allowed it. EDIT - something I personally wrestle with is where I fix my vision. When I think on things that are earthly I get earthly results. But when the Holy Spirit guides me beyond the natural sight I see that though children in the Tribulation may become an innocent victim of horrible consequence they are in fact innocent and god is merciful. Their physical bodies not being the reward, rather the eternal ones are what He shows me.
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Post by rg86 on May 12, 2020 10:56:15 GMT -6
Interesting responses, Yardstick and Mike. I took a look at everything you pointed out and the Scriptures. I know the Lord will do right, as he always does. I also suppose that with the way everyone is on about population control and abortion, it is likely that there may be far less children born into the tribulation than you might normally expect. Also maybe those who become believers during this time might make some efforts to save and help children. Or after the rapture, when infants and possibly fetuses are raptured out, people may be so afraid to become pregnant again for fear that their newborns will be taken "again." Who knows. Thanks for all your input.
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Post by mike on May 12, 2020 12:55:36 GMT -6
Interesting responses, Yardstick and Mike. I took a look at everything you pointed out and the Scriptures. I know the Lord will do right, as he always does. I also suppose that with the way everyone is on about population control and abortion, it is likely that there may be far less children born into the tribulation than you might normally expect. Also maybe those who become believers during this time might make some efforts to save and help children. Or after the rapture, when infants and possibly fetuses are raptured out, people may be so afraid to become pregnant again for fear that their newborns will be taken "again." Who knows. Thanks for all your input. I speculate about this sometimes too. I know in the end the Lord is enduring and with children, well they are innocent to a degree. I dont want to tangent your question here rg86 (as I notoriously do sometimes) but I do also consider this: Mark 9:42 And whosoever shall offend one of these little ones that believe in me, it is better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he were cast into the sea. Luke 17:2 It were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he cast into the sea, than that he should offend one of these little ones.
Jesus certainly warns the teachers of little ones here but notice "believes in me" - I try to teach my kids about the Lord and I trust they believe. But what about those who teach their children contrary? Just a food for thought kinda question, that doesnt really need a reply The other piece I consider is the tribulation and the way that will actually look to a child. The godzilla bros. (stealing that from disciple4life) on the scene may look like the Marvel or DC heroes they have come accustomed to. Perhaps they would be more apt to listen to them or maybe this Rev 14:6-7 would have an impact
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Post by Natalie on May 12, 2020 13:10:42 GMT -6
I am sure there will be many who also don't want to bring children into such an unstable and chaotic place. We see people who say things like that now.
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Post by boraddict on May 13, 2020 8:15:34 GMT -6
I suppose that it is like the days of Noah; after the rapture then the earth is repopulated with families: children, etc.
ie. Noah's flood as Noah's rapture wherein Noah and his family were taken from the earth upon the water and similarly we are taken from the earth upon the Living Water (Christ). In both cases the people are returned to the earth. Please notice in Rev. 21 that the holy city comes to the earth as does Christ in Rev. 22. Naturally, the people come with the city and Christ.
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Post by venge on Jun 7, 2020 9:02:53 GMT -6
rg86That is only if you believe we are raptured and seven years remain. I do not, nor do I think scripture teaches that. If you hold to that view, you have to explain why would God have wrath on babies and children during that time. If you can’t explain that, you may have to look why that is. Why does God need 7 years of wrath when he can speak the world into existence instantly. Why 7 years of wrath when Noah’s flood was wrath and only lasted 40 days/nights though it took time for the waters to recede. If a person becomes a Christian, he is given the Holy Spirit - how can he endure God’s wrath if he’s a “pre TB saint”? That goes against “we are not to endure wrath”. There are many issues that arise on 7 year wrath that haven’t been made scripturally sound imo. Why did Christ preach the DotL yet he didn’t preach on the vengeance portion?
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Post by rg86 on Jun 8, 2020 12:07:28 GMT -6
venge, Thanks so much to everyone who replied. Venge, thank you for your thoughts too. I'd like to hear more about what you mean. What I have read on this website and elsewhere, and my understanding from the Scriptures, is a pre-trib rapture followed eventually by a 7-year period of judgments, anti-Christ, and so forth. 7 years split by 3.5 year increments of varying degrees of severity and events, third temple, abomination of desolation, etc etc. In this view, all the pre-tribulation saints would be raptured, and would not endure God's wrath. However, people would turn to the Lord in the middle of the 7 year tribulation, after the rapture, and thus become what is usually called "tribulation saints." That's always how I've heard this chronology described. Those tribulation saints by and large will be martyred. If I correctly understand, you are saying that you think this is incorrect, and that there is a shorter period of time, not 7 years. Are you referring to what I've heard described as the "Pre-Wrath/Mid Trib" position? Or are you referring to something else? I'd love to learn more about what the chronology you're thinking about is. Forgive me if I've somehow misunderstood your position. I'm hoping you'll elaborate. Thanks!
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Post by venge on Jun 15, 2020 20:17:42 GMT -6
venge, Thanks so much to everyone who replied. Venge, thank you for your thoughts too. I'd like to hear more about what you mean. What I have read on this website and elsewhere, and my understanding from the Scriptures, is a pre-trib rapture followed eventually by a 7-year period of judgments, anti-Christ, and so forth. 7 years split by 3.5 year increments of varying degrees of severity and events, third temple, abomination of desolation, etc etc. In this view, all the pre-tribulation saints would be raptured, and would not endure God's wrath. However, people would turn to the Lord in the middle of the 7 year tribulation, after the rapture, and thus become what is usually called "tribulation saints." That's always how I've heard this chronology described. Those tribulation saints by and large will be martyred. If I correctly understand, you are saying that you think this is incorrect, and that there is a shorter period of time, not 7 years. Are you referring to what I've heard described as the "Pre-Wrath/Mid Trib" position? Or are you referring to something else? I'd love to learn more about what the chronology you're thinking about is. Forgive me if I've somehow misunderstood your position. I'm hoping you'll elaborate. Thanks! Sorry 😐 haven’t replied back sooner. I’ve been very busy and a little inactive on the board the last 45 days. I will reply soon with a proper response 😊
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2020 22:32:05 GMT -6
I have a hope that there won't be any born in the last three and a half years.
When the Scripture says
Matt 24:17 Let no one on the housetop come down to retrieve anything from his house. 18 And let no one in the field return for his cloak. 19 How miserable those days will be for pregnant and nursing mothers!
I hope that perhaps God will remove them. I say this because if you have to go to the woods and hide in the middle of the night, nursing a baby is better than needing food for a kid. Having the baby inside you is better than outside. But if all innocents are removed before Great Tribulation, then pregnant and nursing mothers would be devastated. Really, when a baby is inside you - it's the easiest time to be a mother.
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