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Post by Natalie on Apr 1, 2020 9:33:12 GMT -6
So, I have been working on a hypothetical timeline. (It turned out to be a longer post than I had originally thought, but I wanted to be sure and explain everything.  ) So, there are some “ifs”. The big “if” being “if TorahCalendar is correctly projecting the feast days.” I read over some information on their site, and they claim they are figuring their year based on how it was done with ancient Israel (they have some old Talmud sources that explain). Basically Nisan 15 must be after the equinox. If it's not, then they add a month. So, their calculations are different from hebcal which I think is the schedule Israel follows today. The leap years aren't the same. I was reading an article the other day ( here) that was commenting that calculating the calendar is off. They need the Sanhedrin and witnesses When the Sanhedrin is again calculating things that it will be back to how it was originally done. I think the Sanhedrin will probably be in operation again during Daniel's 70th week. So, that's my big “if”– To start, my premise was that Jesus will fulfill all the fall feasts with His Second Coming. I started by doing some calculating working backwards from Feast of Trumpets 2027 which I see as a potential Second Coming. TorahCalendar has this as Sept 2, 2027. This would also mean that His coming would be before Israel turns 80 in 2028 if the verse in Psalm is correct about years. (another “if” ) One other small thing...We are given day counts in Scripture. We are not given a whole lot of detail on what they mean. So, I will use Scripture when it is clear; assume everything else is speculation. The counts are 7 years (Daniel's 70th week), time, times, and a half time (3.5 years), 42 months, 1260 days (these three are equal using 30 day months), 1290 days, 1335 days. So, here is my very basic timeline. And then the rest is explanation.
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Post by Natalie on Apr 1, 2020 9:36:53 GMT -6
Let me know if I need to make the image larger. I don't know if it is clickable. One of the easiest day counts to include is the 1260 days. That is Rev 12:6 and Rev 12:14 when the Jews flee to the wilderness after the Abomination of Desolation. My understanding being that Jesus returns after the 1260 days they are in the wilderness. 1260 + 1260 equals 2520 which is 7 years of 30 month days. Oct 9, 2020, plus 2520 days reaches Sept 2, 2027 (FOT). So, this gives me a start date. But is there any importance to Oct 9? Both TorahCalendar and hebcal have this as Hoshana Rabbah. The last day of Tabernacles. from en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoshana_Rabbah This day is marked by a special synagogue service, the Hoshana Rabbah, in which seven circuits are made by the worshipers with their lulav and etrog, while the congregation recites Hoshanot. It is customary for the scroll of the Torah to be removed from the ark during this procession. In a few communities a shofar is sounded after each circuit. This is also the day Jesus stood up and said, “If anyone thirsts, let him come to Me and drink. Whoever believes in Me, as the Scripture has said, 'Out of his heart will flow rivers of living water.'” (John 8:37-38) And for speculation - Barry Scarborough and others have had dreams of tabernacles and etrogs. One youtuber, whose channel no longer exists, even heard the words Hoshana Rabbah. Use discernment. If the 2 witnesses begin their ministry at the start of Daniel's 70th week, which I hold as possibly showing Israel that God is holding to His covenant with them, they witness for 1260 days. (Rev 11:2) and then are killed (Rev 11:7) Oct 9, 2020 plus 1260 days reaches Mar 21, 2024 which would be Nisan 10. Could it be that the AC kills the 2 witnesses, and declares himself God on the same day that Jesus rode into Jerusalem on a donkey showing that He is the Messiah? The Jews then flee – kind of a reverse of the book of Joshua – cross the Jordan back into the wilderness. |
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Post by Natalie on Apr 1, 2020 9:39:08 GMT -6
As a side note, roughly a month and a half later, I believe the Rev 15 sign appears signaling the start of the bowl judgments. (see my post here: board.unsealed.org/post/31766/thread)Daniel 12:11-12 mentions 1290 and 1335 day counts. You are blessed to wait until day 1335. A bit vague, to me at least, but I plugged the numbers in. 1290 from Mar 22, 2024 (day after Abomination) is Oct 3. This would be the start of the month of Cheshvan. from www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/3922327/jewish/About-the-Month-of-Marcheshvan.htm“Cheshvan is the only month that does not have any holidays or special mitzvot. We are taught that it is 'reserved' for the time of Moshiach, who will inaugurate the Third Temple in the month of Cheshvan.” I found this thought a couple of other places, too. Speculation – this might be the removing of the Abomination and cleansing the temple. Or the inaugurating of the Millennial temple. Or both. It would create a new holy day. 1335 days from Mar 22, 2024 reaches Nov 17, 2027 I wondered what Nov 17 might be. ETA - I had to edit this part as I made a mistake. Nov 17 on Hebcal was Cheshvan 17, the flood day. It is not on TorahCalendar. It is Kislev 17. I do not know of it corresponds with anything, but I will be looking. |
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Post by Natalie on Apr 1, 2020 9:42:49 GMT -6
one more thought...I did check FOT year 2026 - 1260 days and FOT year 2028 - 1260 days and neither hit an important Passover day.
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Post by mike on Apr 1, 2020 9:45:05 GMT -6
Natalie it is 'clickable' on a computer, havent tried phone yet. However I had to 'right-click' and open it (new tab). It is still quite small and hard to read. When I enlarged it became a bit blurry. Maybe try it in excel? or could they see this, then understand that Zec 9:9 (and Matt 21:5) actually refer to Jesus not the impostor and flee from him?
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Post by Natalie on Apr 1, 2020 9:46:34 GMT -6
I will give it a try. Thanks!
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Post by Natalie on Apr 1, 2020 10:05:59 GMT -6
Natalie or could they see this, then understand that Zec 9:9 (and Matt 21:5) actually refer to Jesus not the impostor and flee from him? Yes, that too. |
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Post by venge on Apr 1, 2020 13:03:03 GMT -6
So, I have been working on a hypothetical timeline. (It turned out to be a longer post than I had originally thought, but I wanted to be sure and explain everything. ) So, there are some “ifs”. The big “if” being “if TorahCalendar is correctly projecting the feast days.” I read over some information on their site, and they claim they are figuring their year based on how it was done with ancient Israel (they have some old Talmud sources that explain). Basically Nisan 15 must be after the equinox. If it's not, then they add a month. So, their calculations are different from hebcal which I think is the schedule Israel follows today. The leap years aren't the same. I was reading an article the other day ( here) that was commenting that calculating the calendar is off. They need the Sanhedrin and witnesses When the Sanhedrin is again calculating things that it will be back to how it was originally done. I think the Sanhedrin will probably be in operation again during Daniel's 70th week. So, that's my big “if”– To start, my premise was that Jesus will fulfill all the fall feasts with His Second Coming. I started by doing some calculating working backwards from Feast of Trumpets 2027 which I see as a potential Second Coming. TorahCalendar has this as Sept 2, 2027. This would also mean that His coming would be before Israel turns 80 in 2028 if the verse in Psalm is correct about years. (another “if” ) One other small thing...We are given day counts in Scripture. We are not given a whole lot of detail on what they mean. So, I will use Scripture when it is clear; assume everything else is speculation. The counts are 7 years (Daniel's 70th week), time, times, and a half time (3.5 years), 42 months, 1260 days (these three are equal using 30 day months), 1290 days, 1335 days. So, here is my very basic timeline (I made it bigger. I can't figure out Excel I will try later.). And then the rest is explanation.
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Natalie, Why separate the 2 witnesses from the Ac's 42 months? If the 2 witnesses prophecy for a total of 42 months, when they die, the 42 months is over. That would be the 2nd Woe within the 6th Trumpet. Are you saying there are 42 additional months from the 7th Trumpet to the 7th Bowl? I ask because if the Kingdoms of this world becomes Christ at the 7th Trumpet and he begins to reign, his reigning qualifies as the start of the millennial kingdom. That would signify that the 42 mo's of the 2 witnesses preaching coincides with the 42 months of the AC's rule. Otherwise, your saying the AC hasn't come to power during any of the Trumpets save the last 1. |
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Post by Natalie on Apr 1, 2020 13:59:46 GMT -6
Ok, venge, for more detail on how I see things... I see the two witnesses as being for the Jewish people. They would be reminiscent of the prophets of old. If they only come in at the midpoint of the week, the Jews flee at that time. What would be the point of them standing in the Jewish capital prophesying? It very well could be that the AC is in power all seven years, but it's the last 42 months where he is allowed to blaspheme God and make war on His saints. (Rev 13:5-8) That's the time I have labeled. He comes in to the picture in Rev 11:7 with the murder of the two witnesses, and then in Rev 13:5 he is allowed to exercise authority for 42 months. This is when Israel is being protected in the wilderness (Rev 12:6 and 14) and Satan turns on believers because he can't get the Jews. This corresponds with the AC being able to make war on the saints. So, that's the other reason I put their ministry in the first half because he comes into the narrative with their deaths. I see the seals and the trumpets happening during the first 42 months, then the bowls being in the second 42 months occurring up to the point that Babylon is destroyed. The AC's rule and bowls occur at the same time. Are you saying the bowls take place during the Millennial Kingdom? Because in the text, they take place after the trumpets. I see what it says in Rev 11:15, but Jesus doesn't physically return until chapter 19, after the bowls. I guess I see Rev 11:15 as just stating the truth that He is the rightful ruler. He is the one rightfully in charge of all that's taking place. |
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Post by yardstick on Apr 2, 2020 1:34:51 GMT -6
Natalie, If you need help with Excel, please send me a message.
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Post by Natalie on Apr 2, 2020 7:28:38 GMT -6
I found Kislev 17 (the end of the 1335 days)- It's the date of the UN partition plan in 1947 to create a state of Israel. (2027 would be the 80th anniversary) Maybe this will be when the Millennial state of Israel is created? When they get all the land that God promised?
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Post by mike on Apr 2, 2020 7:36:30 GMT -6
Natalie , If you need help with Excel, please send me a message. Can you build Natalies graph and imbed in VB the Mazzeroth in it while showing each day transpire   EDIT - Animate it Stick! You can do it - love you bro |
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Post by venge on Apr 2, 2020 8:58:51 GMT -6
Ok, venge, for more detail on how I see things... I see the two witnesses as being for the Jewish people. They would be reminiscent of the prophets of old. If they only come in at the midpoint of the week, the Jews flee at that time. What would be the point of them standing in the Jewish capital prophesying? It very well could be that the AC is in power all seven years, but it's the last 42 months where he is allowed to blaspheme God and make war on His saints. (Rev 13:5-8) That's the time I have labeled. He comes in to the picture in Rev 11:7 with the murder of the two witnesses, and then in Rev 13:5 he is allowed to exercise authority for 42 months. This is when Israel is being protected in the wilderness (Rev 12:6 and 14) and Satan turns on believers because he can't get the Jews. This corresponds with the AC being able to make war on the saints. So, that's the other reason I put their ministry in the first half because he comes into the narrative with their deaths. I see the seals and the trumpets happening during the first 42 months, then the bowls being in the second 42 months occurring up to the point that Babylon is destroyed. The AC's rule and bowls occur at the same time. Are you saying the bowls take place during the Millennial Kingdom? Because in the text, they take place after the trumpets. I see what it says in Rev 11:15, but Jesus doesn't physically return until chapter 19, after the bowls. I guess I see Rev 11:15 as just stating the truth that He is the rightful ruler. He is the one rightfully in charge of all that's taking place. I think that’s the issue. If you put Rev 19 as a chronological sequence after the Trumpets and before the bowls, then I understand your conclusion. But humor me, think of Rev 19 as in the chronological framework but not sequential. Rev 19 mentions in chronological parts: 1. Babylons destruction; 2 then Christ begins to reign; 3. with Christ reign comes the wedding; 4. the wedding supper; 5. the defeat of the false prophet (beast of the earth) and beast of the sea These 5 things detail a chronological path as each comes before the next but not directly sequential. So what do I mean? Babylons destruction can fall into the first 4 Trumpets. Christ reigns at the 7th Trumpet with the wedding happening concurrently. The wedding supper happens during the bowls with the removal of the 2 beast’s. These are they that are removed out of his kingdom all that work iniquity. So Rev 19 is strictly chronological within the framework of trumpets and bowls but not directly sequential. That is the key! The contents of it show its placement within the events. Though some take a 7 year stance, remember Rev only talks about 42 mo’s. Also, it’s cut short for the elects sake. The other thing I mentioned was if Christ begins to reign, we are reigning with him concurrently in the millennium kingdom. The kingdom that we wield a rod of iron w/Christ to remove the wicked out of. That is the 1st resurrection and it’s important to understand its placement within the sequence by John’s own words. |
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Post by Natalie on Apr 2, 2020 11:16:30 GMT -6
I respectfully disagree that Rev only shows 3.5 years. I understand how some see only 3.5, but I have shown how I see the numbers fitting 3.5 + 3.5 (or 1260 days plus 1260 days). I see 7 years with the last 3.5 (42 months, 1260 days) being "The Great Tribulation" (the term used by Jesus in Matt 24:21 - a time that comes after the abomination of desolation) which is the AC's height of power.
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So, basically God decided from the beginning how long the days would be (1260 for the Great Tribulation) otherwise there would be no one left if allowed to go for longer. He cut the days off at 1260. |
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Post by yardstick on Apr 2, 2020 12:06:54 GMT -6
Natalie , If you need help with Excel, please send me a message. Can you build Natalies graph and imbed in VB the Mazzeroth in it while showing each day transpire EDIT - Animate it Stick! You can do it - love you bro I can rub my head while patting my belly, does that help? and FWIW, I can also rub my belly while patting my head... |
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