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Post by mike on Apr 2, 2020 12:36:52 GMT -6
If you could chew gum while doing both...that would be impressive!  Sorry Natalie - dont mean to derail, just having some fun |
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Post by Natalie on Apr 2, 2020 12:52:01 GMT -6
If I didn't like you both so much........  |
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Post by venge on Apr 2, 2020 13:15:55 GMT -6
I respectfully disagree that Rev only shows 3.5 years. I understand how some see only 3.5, but I have shown how I see the numbers fitting 3.5 + 3.5 (or 1260 days plus 1260 days). I see 7 years with the last 3.5 (42 months, 1260 days) being "The Great Tribulation" (the term used by Jesus in Matt 24:21 - a time that comes after the abomination of desolation) which is the AC's height of power.
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So, basically God decided from the beginning how long the days would be (1260 for the Great Tribulation) otherwise there would be no one left if allowed to go for longer. He cut the days off at 1260. And that is fine if you choose to accept a full 7 years. The important part is the issue of rectifying Rev 19 as not sequencial and realizing the content inside of it and its placement within the chronological construct. If you are still unsure, look at Rev 14 and follow the same way. Its chronological but not sequential. Do you take the following verse as applying the beast to appear for the first time after they are dead or does the text relate that the beast that had been around now has killed them? If you choose that the beast now appears and kill them, he begins to start his 42 mo reign. How does the beast begin to reign if after this event is the 7th Trumpet wheer: and also: If Christ begins to reign when the AC just started to reign, the AC has 42mo right? How then is it that the command to "destroy them that destroy the earth" take 42 more mo's? Because at this time, the Trumpets are done and all that is left are the bowls. If you take a sequencial stance, I have no idea how you place Rev 15 into the mix but to me, it is obvious Rev 15 follows the 7th trumpet in Rev 11 and Rev 15 is shown where the "door is shut" before the vials which are filled up with the "wrath" of God to be poured out on those wicked that need to be removed from his kingdom by "destroying them that destroy the earth". |
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Post by Natalie on Apr 2, 2020 15:55:50 GMT -6
mike, I gotta better timeline made. See my first post. venge, I feel like I've answered this already, but I'll try again later this evening.
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Post by venge on Apr 2, 2020 16:37:07 GMT -6
mike, I gotta better timeline made. See my first post. venge, I feel like I've answered this already, but I'll try again later this evening. No worries. It’s not needed. We just agree to disagree. |
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Post by Gary on Apr 3, 2020 14:54:01 GMT -6
I love the research put into this. Thank you Natalie. I shared this with some other watchfolk. |
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Post by Natalie on Apr 3, 2020 15:24:27 GMT -6
I love the research put into this. Thank you Natalie . I shared this with some other watchfolk. You're welcome! Let me know if they have any comments or things to add. |
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Post by mike on Apr 3, 2020 19:42:19 GMT -6
mike, I gotta better timeline made. See my first post. venge, I feel like I've answered this already, but I'll try again later this evening. Great job on the chart! |
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Post by Natalie on Apr 3, 2020 19:58:51 GMT -6
mike , I gotta better timeline made. See my first post. venge , I feel like I've answered this already, but I'll try again later this evening. Great job on the chart! I found a template to edit. |
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Post by thetimeoftheend on Apr 4, 2020 21:17:49 GMT -6
I like the timeline, but does the ministry of the two witnesses have to start with the beginning of the Tribulation? And must they be murdered on the same day as the AOD?
This is obviously conjecture, but wouldn't it make sense to see Elijah (one of the two witnesses) on Passover? This is when the Jews are expecting him. I'm not disagreeing with your timeline at all, in fact it seems pretty likely. Just speculating:)
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Post by Natalie on Apr 5, 2020 7:43:10 GMT -6
Yes, you could be right. One reason I put them at the same time was that I figured he'd come into Jerusalem and take care of it all at once. They would definitely be a hindrance for him. But he could kill them earlier (or I suppose later).
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Post by mike on Apr 5, 2020 8:14:05 GMT -6
Yes, you could be right. One reason I put them at the same time was that I figured He'd come into Jerusalem and take care of it all at once. They would definitely be a hindrance for him. But he could kill them earlier (or I suppose later). Ever wonder why the wait or delay? Why not kill them sooner if they could be killed at all, right? |
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Post by Natalie on Apr 5, 2020 8:53:58 GMT -6
Yes, you could be right. One reason I put them at the same time was that I figured He'd come into Jerusalem and take care of it all at once. They would definitely be a hindrance for him. But he could kill them earlier (or I suppose later). Ever wonder why the wait or delay? Why not kill them sooner if they could be killed at all, right? The simplest answer would be that God has a specific number of days for them and wouldn't let them be killed before that time.
But, Paul Dawson's comments (that I posted in the thread I started on his video) has me thinking. The AC will try to conquer Israel and Jerusalem. That's Daniel 11:40-45. I hadn't really considered when that might take place. But now, I assume that's when he then declares himself God. What will the witnesses have been prophesying about? Will they be telling the world who the AC is and what he's about? Or will they be teaching Scripture and proclaiming the Gospel? Both? Maybe most (of the Gentile world) write them off as crazy Jewish preachers.
Anyway, my thoughts were that maybe the AC is busy trying to run the world and solve it's problems until he sets his sights on Israel. Maybe he has dismissed the witnesses as no big threat until he makes his move for Israel.
Lots of thoughts and maybes... |
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