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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2020 3:32:26 GMT -6
My family was discussing how these recent events change the entire picture of the Rapture for us. See, I first heard of the Rapture in 1979. I was 10 and had just accepted Christ. A decade later, cars would have the bumper sticker "Beware! In case of Rapture this car will be unmanned!" on them. Then we got the books. Planes falling out of the sky! Massive car accidents! The world would surely be sorry that the Christians were removed!
But what if it goes down differently? What if the governments already know that something is afoot. What if this virus gives a cover up for our vanishing?
We know that FEMA has an enormous cache of coffins. We know China is ordering thousands of urns. Our governments simply have to convince the people that we died in our homes. They remove fake "corpses", hold hurried burials/cremations, and "wasn't that a terrible flu? It took so many world leaders, so many church leaders, and so many children."
Think of this: WHY is the media blowing this out of proportion? WHY have they and the governments been hesitant to accept the medication that has been anecdotally successful for treating SARS and other deadly virus'? Why does it seem that at every turn, we have no idea what is really going on? Literally, no one knows what this virus would look like if we had 1). Tests from China that worked 2). Masks from China that worked 3). Honesty from China and the WHO about the virus from the beginning, 4) Leaders who DIDN'T encourage Italians and Americans to physically be close to Chinese to disprove their racism, and 5). Widespread initial use of the drugs that were known to treat SARS and other such virus' in the past instead of this bizarre resistance to the use of Off Label prescriptions.
All of this feels very contrived to socially engineer us into distraction and panic. And if the public can be convinced that millions died from this virus and their bodies disposed of quickly to prevent contagion, no questions will be asked and people will surrender their freedoms easily. I would imagine that if this is a possibility, any family left behind in a home would be disposable, or retained, to continue the lie.
Just a thought because I always expected the planed to fall from the sky and now I see there could be a plan for that.
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Post by venge on Mar 31, 2020 6:02:35 GMT -6
You made me smile! I saw the same things. Tim LaHaye and others putting out their own ideas of how they saw Revelation work. The movies produced were one of a kind and brought life to scriptural words.
Because of its popularity, millions of Christians in the US took to it as a possibility. It became commonplace to see it this way as you demonstrated in the late 70’s and all of the 80’s becoming mainstream.
Remember old movie trilogies:
1. A thief in the night
2. A distant thunder
3. Mark of the beast
Then you had the Left Behind series with Kirk Cameron.
But you asked, can it play out differently than we thought? Of course!
Does the rapture, as a beautiful promised event, need to indirectly kill the unsaved? I don’t see planes falling out of the sky.
I suppose it matters where you place the rapture.
If before everything, millions are taken and it’s a noticeable event. But for that to happen, would it contradict that everything is normal on the planet? Marriages, entertainment and work? If the rapture happens later, after a falling away, who would notice? Would there be millions left that are alive or “those who are alive and remain” from all the things happening around them?
I suppose this difficult question needs to be prayed about and not hastily done. As we gain a better understanding of things, perhaps we will find an answer we can all agree with.
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Post by Natalie on Mar 31, 2020 8:39:40 GMT -6
Knowing that God is in control of all things - My thoughts were more that God may be using what man planned for evil in order to have mercy on them and give them one more chance. Man will definitely take advantage and twist things- yes, use it as a cover up. We see in Scripture that they will defy God to the end. I was just reading this morning about the devastating tornado in Jonesboro. No one was killed because people were home. No one was at the Chili's that was destroyed or the mall that was hit. There should have been lots of people. God's mercy. Should the rapture happen during this time of shut down, it's God's mercy. One more reason to worship Him.  |
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Post by palladin56 on Apr 8, 2020 17:05:28 GMT -6
boymaker, I had the same idea on the way home from work today. What if THIS is the great deception or at least the beginning of it. Without cars, planes, etc. crashing and believers are indoors praying and preparing for the holy days and knowing in their hearts the rapture could happen any moment. Under those conditions a rapture event could easily be covered up (the rest of the great deception. Religious leaders who weren't raptured would readily agree with what ever the government said rather than admit they weren't saved and lose their leadership positions and income stream. The lie is so great it could fool the elect! Particularly if they are willing deceived. "For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works." 2 Corinthians 11:13-15, KJV "Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition . . . And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:" 2 Thessalonians 2:3, 8-11, KJV Maranatha
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Post by disciple4life on Apr 19, 2020 10:16:06 GMT -6
Hello Friends, fellow watchmen ;-)
boymaker ,venge ,Natalie ,palladin56 , I'm in total agreement that things won't all play out exactly like we imagined regarding the rapture, tribulation, events of Revelation and second coming, whatever your view is regarding the timing, or the sequence of events.
I also could not agree more that there is something deeper going on here with the virus.
Multiple reports from different sources confirming that this virus can be traced back to the Virus lab in Wuhan. Man-made, or natural - it didn't just randomly, by chance jump from bats to humans.
Gary in his most recent article suggested that there are reports that society as we know it will never be the same, and that one of the caveats of "getting back to normal" or re-opening the US economy" is by requiring everyone to prove that they have been vaccinated against Coronavirus.
It's all about incrementalism. First - you have to twist the narrative and make people so scared, with manipulated models, and "scientific predictions" based on flawed data - [Italy - which has the oldest median population in Europe, and the second oldest in the world.] Hmmmm. Then this media-induced panic and hysteria is the tool that causes people to 'see' this threat to their loved ones, and agree that for the safety of mankind, we all need to track/ monitor those who may be carriers.
I don't think the rapture happens with the world in lock-down for multiple reasons.
The biggest one is that this scenario is exactly the opposite of the conditions in place to accept a world-leader - the Messiah/ AC.
Think about this - Just for the sake of discussion, for a moment, let's say this gets much much worse and the global death rate soars to 1 million - the lockdown is extended and heavier penalties are enforced in more places --
Then, if people are all in their homes and don't notice 70- 90,000,000 people disappear then it simply fuels the other narrative - [that the numbers aren't real, and it's just to control people] , and it continues to raise more questions that can't be answered.
If 100,000 people in the US die, we should have a record of these people and their bodies.
Why are so many hospitals across the country - empty, or much less crowded than normal?
Why are so many nurses being laid off? Where is the proof of 100,000 people's death certificates. Hospitals and morgues would be totally jammed.
The thing about the rapture is that it's instant - and with social media, Skype, zoom, FB, Instagram, Whatapp, etc -and there will be tens of millions of people gone without a trace from every country on the planet.
This 'phenomena' cannot be explained by Dr Fauci - or the leader of World Health Organization, or Cuomo, or Emmanuel Macron, or the leader of the United Nations.
They can't show us a chart showing the predicted "spread" and subsequent results or how or why millions of people from all ages, races and walks of life just disappeared, - but it will be a matter of hours or days before journalists make the connection that no Buddhists or Muslims or Hindus or Sikhs or Mormons are missing- only Christians.
Just as JD Farag so brilliantly pointed out - "You can't establish a global currency without removing/destroying the existing ones" and you can't establish a new Global Leader [read Anti-Christ] without world-wide anarchy and hysteria.
It will make the current chaos look like a single drop of water in the middle of a lake.
The effect of unimaginable terror and panic doesn't happen if/when everyone is shut in, because when people get the virus, their symptoms increase and they need to be hospitalized - - they don't just instantly disappear.
Also, the world leaders will have to quickly corroborate their story, and the only narrative that they can offer is alien abduction
Terrorists can't kidnap/abduct 70,000,000 people instantly, across the globe. There are more kidnapped than kidnappers.
Virus and plagues don't make people disappear - and why are all the babies missing, in communist, atheist and Muslim countries??? hmmm.
boymaker, if we have planes fall out of the sky- certainly there will be some, and train crashes and car accidents, etc - the people wouldn't be sorry that Christians are gone - but more likely angry that their friends or loved one died because the pilot or bus driver was a Christian.
Also, the other thing to consider is that there will be millions of people who heard the Gospel and thousands who were raised in church and heard about the Bible but are rebellious, and have fallen away- [Cheap grace] and it is these who already had the seeds of truth sown into their hearts who will be part of the tribulation saints. The thing that will be the catalyst or the "trigger" for them to believe is when their Crazy Aunt Clara and their pastor neighbor, along with tens of millions of people disappear in the blink of an eye across the globe. 
A world-wide pandemic and half a million deaths spread out over six months time doesn't get you 144,000 Jewish witnesses. What does get you 144,000 Jewish witnesses in a New York minute, is when the resurrection happens on the day all Jews believe is the day the resurrection happens - and 70,000,000 people disappear at the last trumpet.
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Post by Natalie on Apr 19, 2020 11:26:14 GMT -6
I am going to politely disagree I think it very well could happen now. What if we step back and look at it from the point that maybe the rapture is not what catapults the AC into the public eye? Yes, I do believe that he cannot come forward until the church is removed. But really, we just need some sort of world wide thing to bond everyone together. A world wide problem. It's happening right now in a bunch of little ways (like groups of celebrities signing "Imagine", the upcoming "One World Together at Home" global TV special, a call for global cease fire) There are many countries that are not going to miss their small number of Christians. But if there was something that was a national threat? They'd want to work with others to get it to stop. I do think the rapture could add to the narrative. Youtube would wonder where all it's traffic went. Friends who have been communicating via Zoom or Facebook or phone no longer reply. Essential workers don't show up. Someone will need to have answers. |
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Post by venge on Apr 19, 2020 14:16:00 GMT -6
What if we step back and look at it from the point that maybe the rapture is not what catapults the AC into the public eye? Yes, I do believe that he cannot come forward until the church is removed. , Just wanted to focus a question on what I highlighted above. Not nitpicking, but curious on this. Isn't it more justifiable to agree that the AC cannot be revealed till a falling away comes first - since many cannot agree on rapture timing...the one thing is certain...a falling away right? It's growing falsehood of the truth that comes first which we have today in many Churches and online contributors. But if he is revealed after the falling away....he must exist during it at some part. For he cannot be birthed or appear at say 30yrs old to go through 3.5yr or a 7yr time frame right? So he must exist in some form before his revealing and be here when Christians are here regardless. In order for his to come forward, do you refer back to the revealing or his actual working? Because in Daniel, he is working behind the scenes until he removes 3 of the first 10 horns of the beast of the sea. |
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Post by Natalie on Apr 19, 2020 17:59:48 GMT -6
I am talking about his revealing. That will happen when the restrainer is removed (2 Thes something).
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Post by venge on Apr 20, 2020 5:13:01 GMT -6
I am talking about his revealing. That will happen when the restrainer is removed (2 Thes something). Is the restrainer removed like he is physically removed and gone because the word seems to imply: 1096 (ginomai) means "to become, and signifies a change of condition, state or place" (Vine, Unger, White, NT, 109). M. Vincent, "1096 (gínomai) means to come into being/manifestation implying motion, movement, or growth" It appears its possible to say a person who restrained evil could through a change in their spiritual condition or come into their being by the persons pushing forward in what they spiritually feed themselves and this change or manifestation of themselves is opposite of what God calls us to be, a "Holy People, zealous of good works". It sounds like a falling away from truth to me. And I don't think the Church needs to be gone for that to happen because the church itself would decay from the inside in order to fulfil this truth if it happens like that. (Not God's true Church, but churches per se). Isnt there a falling away from the truth today? Perhaps not " thee" falling away, but we do see it all across the world. Itching ears right? |
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Post by nana on May 7, 2020 9:29:09 GMT -6
Wondering if this was a trial run by the globalist to see if the people would stay home in lockdown for a possible real event in September when "they" say it could return.
They will have to explain the rapture away to those left behind and could say something like they died of the virus and were cremated because so many died...
I really think we are going home soon.
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Post by nana on May 7, 2020 10:03:11 GMT -6
Worth your time
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Post by nana on May 7, 2020 10:58:37 GMT -6
And this:
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2020 14:56:19 GMT -6
I can't see anything, nana, |
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