NASB interprets it this way… Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction,
KJV this way… Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
A falling away. What could that mean from God's perspective?
This has been on my mind since it was announced that churches are closing or have closed. Gatherings of more than 10 people (about the size of our small Bible study group) are either not allowed or discouraged. Enforcement may be coming as it is happening in other countries and cities.
So, what if…yes, this is a what if. The voices of choirs and congregations all over the world have suddenly been silenced? The voices of worship rising to God have stopped, at least on a large scale. Christians can still worship on a smaller scale, but will they. We all know the “Holiday Christian” or “Weekend Christian”. Perhaps that is better than nothing, but what if now that even those things are removed the motivation is also removed. Maybe prayers will increase. Maybe Bible study will increase. Or maybe this will cause a decline if a simple weekly attendance is gone. I guess I’m wondering what it sounds like now and will for the next few months from God’s perspective? And then how far along can the son of perdition be from revealing himself as this continues or grows worse?
I don’t think it stops. It’s still in my heart. Daniel was in Babylon and still prayed in his home lifting up his hands to God like the evening sacrifice. I think the removal of oblation and sacrifice would be more inline like the Medes making a law to disallow worship or face death.
venge, Yes, I agree. It's still in my heart and the hearts of Christians. God knows the hearts of men and women. I know we can still sing. I do in my car. And we can sing with family and with small groups. But it's not exactly the same. It reminds me of the line "the day the music died" from American Pie. I was mainly thinking of how it changed from the perspective of Heaven. Millions of voices singing in unison a couple days a week suddenly silenced.
I'm also thinking if this could be the start of the "falling away". I think of it this way - thousands of new believers or those who are just starting to reach out to God, but are unsure. Those that have not yet given their life to Christ. Many, if not most, of them would go to a church to check it out. Get a feel for what is being said. They go to a church first so they can be somewhat anonymous. So they don't have to commit to anything. They may have talked to someone that shared the Gospel or they may have not, but they are probably less likely to start out in a small group. That's too big a leap for them. So, what do they do now? Churches are closed. Maybe for months or longer. Those that are truly looking for Jesus will find him, but I'm guessing many, many will just decide not to put forth any more effort if means opening up their thoughts in a small group. Could this be a real tipping point that slows down new people coming to Christ?
I would assume that those who attend church but do not respond to the message will "fall away". But I am of the belief that the "Falling Away may be the removal of the church at Rapture. The AC cannot be revealed unless the Restrainer steps aside. The Restrainer is within the church. WE are the ones who keep the AC subdued.
EnochWalked: "Ogolobyak, who was an adult at the time of the murders, was given 20 years, and wasn’t due to be released until 2030." So he's been given 7 years of freedom by Putin. It's like Putin is declaring 2023 to be a Jubilee year for the worst people in Russia.
Nov 27, 2023 21:23:33 GMT -6
EnochWalked: 'Egeland said the two sides would need to begin talks in secret to get the ball rolling. "These back channels, these discreet negotiations, have the great advantage that people are not talking to the gallery," he said.' Maybe they've already started.
Nov 28, 2023 0:50:44 GMT -6
EnochWalked: If they can mass produce them for a few hundred dollars each, like a mobile phone, then for a few $100m they'd be able to produce a million drones. I'm sure Ukraine would appreciate those right now, and they would be enough to kill the whole Russian army.
Nov 28, 2023 6:32:19 GMT -6
EnochWalked: www.iranintl.com/en/202311295280 "Putin Wants To Be Adopted By Khamenei, Iranian Cleric Says". There may be a mistranslation somewhere along the line, but it makes me wonder what acts of "filial" obedience Putin might do to help Hamas in Gaza.
Nov 29, 2023 6:37:08 GMT -6
Natalie : I am currently in the hospital waiting to get my gallbladder out. I was supposed to get it out yesterday so pray they get to me soon.
Nov 30, 2023 5:45:09 GMT -6
Natalie: I got bumped again. So I'm not sure when the surgery will be now
Nov 30, 2023 10:10:44 GMT -6
EnochWalked: Praying too! I don't know if our harpazo transformed bodies will include gallbladders, but if they, you might get replacement as a Hanukkah or Christmas gift! God will be with us, and our families, through whatever we have to face before then, though.
Dec 1, 2023 3:24:43 GMT -6