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Post by uscgvet on Feb 27, 2020 14:25:31 GMT -6
He's got a few more on the 4 horsemen. Here's part 2 of the white horse rider. Gotta love the work from our late brother now in Heaven. |
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Post by uscgvet on Feb 27, 2020 14:39:20 GMT -6
What if the crescent moon is the "bow" ?
Nimrod 1.0 was Babylon.
Nimrod 2.0 is the AC.
Didn't the crescent moon start in Babylon?
A symbol of world peace...?
Something with 4 colors: white, black, green, red and a crescent moon (bow) on it...
Now who has a crescent moon, and the 4 colors listed as their representative banner?
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Post by canada on Feb 27, 2020 19:23:55 GMT -6
It was comforting to note that Missler is of the opinion that the rider on white horse in Rev 6:2 is not Jesus. Regarding the "bow" as simplest fabric ... I note in "The Victors" that it could possibly refer to a "man of the cloth", but that is speculation. |
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Post by boraddict on Feb 28, 2020 0:56:02 GMT -6
bondservant, I am with you on your "bow" conclusions and I do not know if it can be definitively answered as to what the bow represents. On another note, today I was rehashing one of my old theories that Chapter 6 harmonizes with Chapter 12 as follows: 1) Verses 6:1-2 (the rider of the white horse) harmonize with Verses 12:1-2 (the great sign) 2) Verses 6:3-4 (the rider of the red horse) harmonize with Verses 12:3-4 (the red dragon) 3) Verses 6:5-6 (the rider of the black horse) harmonize with Verses 12:5-6 (the rapture of saints) 4) Verses 6:7-8 (the rider of the pale horse) harmonize with Verses 12:7-9 (the war in heaven as a type representing the war here upon the earth as the unseen shadow) 5) Verses 6:9-11 (saints died for their testimonies) harmonize with Verses 12:10-11 (saints died for their testimonies) 6) Verses 6:12-17 (wrath of the Lamb) harmonize with Verses 12:12-17 (wrath of the Dragon) Please notice that in the harmonization of Rev. 6:12-17 and Rev. 12:12-17 that the disparagement is between the Lamb and the Dragon. Secondly, in the linking between items 2 and 5 the disparagement is between the saints and the Dragon. Third, in the chiasmus of the chapters the central theme is items 3 and 4 showing a disparagement between the rapture of the saints and the destruction of those aligned with the Dragon. Lastly, the contrast between the rider of the white horse signified by the great sign and the rider of the red horse that is the red dragon. In the above two chapters there are additional alignments to that which I have stated and this is a standard that is common to almost everything in the Book of Revelation: almost anything can be rationalized in this book. Nevertheless, please consider that Rev. 6:6 that is a rapture of saints (my conclusion) aligns with Rev. 12:6 that is also a rapture of saints (my conclusion). Secondly, that this rapture takes place prior to the two demons (death and hell) in Rev. 6:8 that correspond to the type of the war here upon the earth in Rev. 12:7-9. My point is that this conclusion supports that the rapture as referenced in Rev. 7 precedes the Rev. 13 rise of the beast. In fact, this is supported by Chapter 13's sister chapter, Chapter 14, that stipulates that at the time the beast rises in Rev. 13:1 then the 144,000 have already been gathered at Rev. 14:1.
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Post by boraddict on Feb 29, 2020 4:55:16 GMT -6
Okay, how about this; my new analysis:
1) 9/23/17 was the Rev. 12:1-2 great sign. Perhaps this is where the 7 years of tribulation began.
2) 12/20/19 was the Rev. 12:3-4 great red dragon (China). It was on this date that the first corona virus victim arrived at the hospital introducing COVID-19 to the world. Following this event, now 1/3rd of the population of man (third part of the stars of heaven) will be made sick with the virus (cast them to the earth) and on their backs in the beds.
2.1) Placed at item number 2.1 is the fulfillment of Isaiah Chapters 17-19 with the fall of Damascus (Isa. 17:1), the Ensign (Isa. 18:3), and the expansion of that Ensign (Isa. 19:1-3).
3) Following the expansion of the ensign comes the next event that is Rev. 12:5-6 and this is the rapture to the exodus, a shadow of the type of Moses.
4) Then the rise of the beast at Chapter 13 and the subsequent great war of Rev. 12:7-8 wherein the beast has taken over the world and is put down.
My above conclusions from Chapter 12 harmonize with the four horsemen of Chapter 6 making the horses in Chapter 6 "actions taken" by the riders of the horses. Not that the horses themselves take the actions but that the riders cause the actions of the horses. Thus, the horses represent actions by the riders of the horses.
1) The white horse represents an action by the rider of the white horse.
2) The red horse represents an action by the rider of the red horse. It is here that Satan (the dragon) in my opinion inspired someone to take actions that caused the corona virus to jump into mankind. I am sure that this has happened many times before; but like Russian Roulette, the action of the dragon took hold and this new virus spread like a wild fire.
3) The black horse is an action by the rider of the black horse and this is the rapture.
4) The pale horse is the action by the rider of the pale horse and this action is the rise of the beast and his domination over the world. It is here that in the sister chapter (12) the beast is put down.
Conclusion: We are currently in the actions of the rider of the red horse at Rev. 6:3-4.
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Post by disciple4life on Feb 29, 2020 21:14:56 GMT -6
Hello friends, it's a very fascinating topic. boraddict, I didn't take it to mean that you are stating adamantly, as irrefutable fact , but more throwing it out as an analysis. So just a few thoughts/ to ponder, chew on. 1. As of now, there is nothing that identifies the #1. The actions of the rider of the white horse, nor the exact identity of the rider - not any support from scripture of Christ ever having ridden a white horse.? 2. How could we be in the #2 scenario when 1 hasn't happened yet? 3. How can we link China to the red horse? It seems a huge stretch to make the connection based on the color of their flag. 4. As of now, we're not even close to the coronavirus killing as many as the common seasonal flu does just in the US alone. 5 we're miles and miles away from this being a pandemic on the scale of Rev. Killing a third of the world. That's about the entire population of China and half of the entire population of Europe. Disciple4Life |
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Post by boraddict on Feb 29, 2020 21:56:56 GMT -6
Hello friends, it's a very fascinating topic. boraddict , I didn't take it to mean that you are stating adamantly, as irrefutable fact , but more throwing it out as an analysis. So just a few thoughts/ to ponder, chew on. 1. As of now, there is nothing that identifies the #1. The actions of the rider of the white horse, nor the exact identity of the rider - not any support from scripture of Christ ever having ridden a white horse.? 2. How could we be in the #2 scenario when 1 hasn't happened yet? 3. How can we link China to the red horse? It seems a huge stretch to make the connection based on the color of their flag. 4. As of now, we're not even close to the coronavirus killing as many as the common seasonal flu does just in the US alone. 5 we're miles and miles away from this being a pandemic on the scale of Rev. Killing a third of the world. That's about the entire population of China and half of the entire population of Europe. Disciple4Life , thank you for bring these points to light. Yes, it is a possibility that may be true; an observation resulting from analysis. 1-2. The white horse scenario was the great sign of Rev. 12:1 that took place on 9/23/17. The connection from the great sign to the white horse is Rev. 19:11 wherein the Savior is riding upon the white horse. Notice the linking word "heaven" in both verses that calls our attention to the sign. Thus, the rider of the white horse that is Christ in Rev. 19:11 has come to conquer and the horse in Rev. 6:2 represents his great sign in heaven. 3. The connection of the Dragon to China is the new year celebration that was about to begin wherein they have dragons as a major attraction. Secondly, the connection of the dragon in Rev. 12:3 to Rev. 6:4 is the color red that is referenced in both verses. Thus, the dragon is connected from Rev. 12:3 to China and then to Rev. 6:4 via the color red. 4-5. The virus does not kill a third of the population of the world as you have mentioned but infects a third of the world's population causing them to lie down in their beds from the flu like symptoms. This infection causes mankind (the "stars" in the verse) to be "cast... to the earth" in a state of illness. That is, they are sick and must recover laying in their beds. |
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Post by thecrazychristian on Mar 6, 2020 14:02:52 GMT -6
1) The horse is black in contrast to the white horse of Rev. 6:2 whose rider is the Savior (Rev. 19:11-16). You lost me here. Just b/c there are two riders that are on a white horse does not make them the same, the CONTEXT must be taken into account (as it is with all Scripture). Who is the One opening the Seals? Jesus of course. This incorrect interpretation is saying that after He opens the first one, he... stops and then get's on his horse to go ride? That is after a mere spiritual creature COMMANDED Jesus to go forth? Really? Who is there to open the rest of them? Another common mistake is that the White Horse is the Beast/AC, this is impossible since: 1) the spirit of the AC is NOT IN HEAVEN 2) the spirit of the AC is confirmed later, chap 13 IIRC, to be IN THE BOTTOMLESS PIT already, and "rises" from there 3) cross referencing to the Olivet Discourses, Jesus Himself confirms on multiple occasions that the white horse represents False Christs (note the PLURAL form), also mentioned in EZEK 14. Jesus on the White Horse in REV 19 timing must be taken into account, again in context. When does that occur? At the END of the trib, at the winepress judgement of Armageddon, after Christ comes back to the Mt. of Olives and splits it in too (see ZECH 14) |
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Post by boraddict on Mar 8, 2020 22:38:27 GMT -6
1) The horse is black in contrast to the white horse of Rev. 6:2 whose rider is the Savior (Rev. 19:11-16). You lost me here. Just b/c there are two riders that are on a white horse does not make them the same, the CONTEXT must be taken into account (as it is with all Scripture). Who is the One opening the Seals? Jesus of course. This incorrect interpretation is saying that after He opens the first one, he... stops and then get's on his horse to go ride? That is after a mere spiritual creature COMMANDED Jesus to go forth? Really? Who is there to open the rest of them? Another common mistake is that the White Horse is the Beast/AC, this is impossible since: 1) the spirit of the AC is NOT IN HEAVEN 2) the spirit of the AC is confirmed later, chap 13 IIRC, to be IN THE BOTTOMLESS PIT already, and "rises" from there 3) cross referencing to the Olivet Discourses, Jesus Himself confirms on multiple occasions that the white horse represents False Christs (note the PLURAL form), also mentioned in EZEK 14. Jesus on the White Horse in REV 19 timing must be taken into account, again in context. When does that occur? At the END of the trib, at the winepress judgement of Armageddon, after Christ comes back to the Mt. of Olives and splits it in too (see ZECH 14) I think the question at hand is When are the seals opened? According to Chapters 6 and 8 the seals were opened by the Savior and viewed by John before he wrote the Book of Revelation. This raises the possibility that the seals were accomplished as a type before John wrote the book. For us in our time the seals would then be a shadow of that type wherein the first seal describes that the rider of the white horse went forth conquering and lastly he went forth to conquer. It is easy to see in Chapter 19 that the rider of the white horse in that chapter is the Savior whom is going forth to conquer. Therefore, since the Savior went forth to conquer (in the shadow) then the Savior also went forth conquering (in the type). That is, the Savior went forth conquering when the church was established, at and after the atonement, and he will go forth to conquer here in the last days as described in Chapter 19. Further, the Savior goes forth to conquer during the entire tribulation era (in general) and secondly, the Savior goes forth to conquer as stated in Chapter 19. This does not mean that Rev. 6:1 is the Chapter 19 conquering but in the larger scope of the word that the Savior goes forth to cause the tribulation era wherein he is conquering. That is, it is his conquering that we are now engaged in and he will also commit the action as stated in Chapter 19 wherein he puts down the beast and his army. The time schedule is as follows: 1) the atonement wherein the Savior went forth conquering (1st seal) 2) the remainder of the seals as a type during John's time (seals 2-7) 3) the end times wherein the Savior goes forth to conquer (second part of the 1st seal) 4) the remainder of the seals as a shadow during our time (seals 2-7) 5) the Savior goes forth to conquer as described in Chapter 19 To help in understanding this theory please note that Chapters 7-19 are parts of the Chapters 6 and 8 seven seals. |
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