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Post by tennessean on Jul 12, 2021 5:36:17 GMT -6
Those are interesting stats. |
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Post by uscgvet on Jul 12, 2021 5:41:39 GMT -6
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Post by tennessean on Jul 12, 2021 5:51:00 GMT -6
www.naturalnews.com/2021-07-11-government-document-instructs-vaccine-strike-force-teams-how-to-clear-buildings-violate-trespass-laws-and-flag-anti-vaxxers-for-forced-quarantines.htmlGovernment document instructs vaccine “strike force” teams how to clear buildings, violate trespass laws and flag anti-vaxxers for forced quarantines Sunday, July 11, 2021 by: Mike Adams Tags: coercion, door-to-door, forced quarantine, government, health freedom, medical fascism, Medical Tyranny, pandemic, strike forces, vaccine enforcement, vaccine wars, vaccines Bypass censorship by sharing this link: New www.afinalwarning.com/534877.htmlCopy URL 20KViews Image: Government document instructs vaccine “strike force” teams how to clear buildings, violate trespass laws and flag anti-vaxxers for forced quarantines (Natural News) A government document that has recently surfaced offers horrifying details on how door-to-door “strike force” vaccine enforcement teams plan to operate. Labeled, “Community Health Ambassador Outreach Door Knocking Project,” a now-public document published by the government of Lake County, Illinois, instructs “ambassadors” to: Violate “no soliciting” restrictions and illegally trespass onto private property. Impersonate Health Dept. officials and attempt to intimidate building managers into consenting to allowing entry for the strike force teams. Lie to the public and falsely claim covid vaccines are safe by withholding information about serious vaccine side effects, including hospitalizations and deaths. Clear buildings in military fashion, going floor by floor, wing by wing, knocking on doors and intimidating residents of apartment buildings and residential units. Recording the locations (address, room number) of anti-vaxxers in order to feed this information into a government database for further action — most likely forced quarantine removal (medical kidnapping).
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Post by tennessean on Jul 12, 2021 6:09:09 GMT -6
Companion story to the one you posted, uscgvet, pretty sad.
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Post by uscgvet on Jul 12, 2021 7:27:56 GMT -6
Companion story to the one you posted, uscgvet, pretty sad.
Yes, but in the article I posted, it's government mandated. If you don't get the shot, the government will shut down that business. So, for Christians in Fiji, are you to obey the law of the Government and get the shot? ... or rebel... Romans 13:1-8 (Obey the laws of the land) 1 Peter 2:13-16 (Obey the laws of the land) See, these guys are successful in getting Christians to rebel against God! |
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Post by mike on Jul 12, 2021 8:20:35 GMT -6
uscgvet - while I do see your point to a degree, I also see that the govt can point the finger saying "these people are the problem". I do not agree with all govt policy, perhaps you do? For example they are mandating something that natural remedies and other treatments are available, which would render something 'mandatory' as not mandatory. With that said, a question for you - how do you view the Maccabee rebellion? Was that something where the Maccabees should have continued to obey the laws of the land, or was their rebellion against the authorities of the Lord? At what point does USCGVET draw the line and say "this violates the laws of God". I believe some are at that point regarding the CVD jab, where you differ. (We talked about this a few pages back) - just wanna know how you see the example I give, where you would place your red line.
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Post by uscgvet on Jul 12, 2021 8:39:56 GMT -6
mike , I place the red line here: 1) Govt forced worship of something that isn't (Revelation 13) what we understand as the trinitarian nature of God - of the Father/Son/Holy Spirit. 1a) taking the MoB on your forehead or right hand is just a parameter of the worship of the beast.2) Govt forced requirement to stop teaching/preaching the good news of Christ (Acts 5:28-32) These are the only known examples in the Bible where we are told to not obey. I do not agree with all govt policies, but I don't have to agree with them to obey them. We are told to obey with the exception of the two points I mentioned above. Since the Maccabean revolt wasn't named in the Bible I have no say as to it being good or bad. 1) Christ hadn't died yet. It was still O.T. rules. 2) In John 10:22-23 where Jesus went to the temple during "the feast holiday named Hanukkah" which came out of the Maccabean revolt, Jesus doesn't give any important note to it. To me, it speaks volumes that Christ doesn't mention it. Maybe the revolt wasn't a good thing. Instead of taking things into their own hands, weren't the Jews supposed to solely rely on God to do the work against their enemies? Edit: Just another thought: wouldn't Jesus had still sacrificed himself outside of the Temple walls just as he already had done being the final sacrifice regardless of whether or not the Jews were doing animal sacrifices? In other words: Was the Maccabean revolt even necessary for Christ's sacrifice? IMHO, no the revolt wasn't necessary. The prophets already condemned animal sacrifice as appeasing God (Isaiah 1:11).
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Post by mike on Jul 12, 2021 12:03:02 GMT -6
uscgvet lets add murder to your red line. It occurred to me that the government in Germany said they needed to rid the world of Jews...Place that on the list  Oh and by the way - the revolt IS in the bible as a prediction of history before it happened.
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Post by uscgvet on Jul 12, 2021 12:40:23 GMT -6
uscgvet lets add murder to your red line. It occurred to me that the government in Germany said they needed to rid the world of Jews...Place that on the list Oh and by the way - the revolt IS in the bible as a prediction of history before it happened. As a retired USCG sailor, I reject your first statement on the bases of Romans 13:4, John 5:30, and Matthew 8:5-13 (the Centurion's Servant). A soldier is one who follows orders, just as Christ is one who followed orders of the Father that sent Him. Any soldier (like Christ) that follows orders, which come from a superior, such as Hitler, is not wrong in execution of those orders. Any fault of wrong doing lies with the superior whom issued the order. John 5:30. God will judge kings. Faults only apply against a soldier when the soldier acts outside of his/her orders. Psalm 125:3 Now, when we are to be God's soldiers on the battlefield, and you are handed a sword with an expected duty to obey orders, what will you do? Jeremiah 48:10....! |
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Post by mike on Jul 12, 2021 12:58:48 GMT -6
Yeah we can disagree on that too...Perhaps the context we are applying is inconsistent. If everyone followed the liberty we have in Christ, no one would kill including government. When He establishes His 1000 yr reign, will capital punishment or wartime killing still happen? When the deranged lead more deranged it does not justify those following by saying they followed orders. I dont think Himmler, Geobbels, among others are okay cuz they were just following orders. Lets make sure we're clear there.
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Post by uscgvet on Jul 12, 2021 13:20:52 GMT -6
mike , I'll let Jesus speak on the matter. Luke 19:7-28 I found where Jesus derived this parable in the Old Testament. Not many people know this but Jesus was "parablizing" 1 Samuel. Luke 19:8 = 1 Samuel 12:3-4 Luke 19:9 = 1 Samuel 11:13 Luke 19:10 = 1 Samuel 9:20 Luke 19:11 = "because he was nigh to Jerusalem, and because they thought that the kingdom of God should immediately appear." Luke 19:14 = 1 Samuel 8:7 & 1 Samuel 10:27 Luke 19:27 = 1 Samuel 11:12-15 <----In the case of the OT, no slaughter took place, "salvation" is what occurred instead of slaughter. (1st advent of Christ) In the case of Jesus' parable, a slaughter took place. (2nd advent of Christ and the following Kingdom) Now I ask again: When we are to be God's soldiers, and you are handed a sword with an expected duty to obey orders, what will you do? Jeremiah 48:10....! Isaiah 10:5-6 Who's orders are these? and who is it that is following the order? and who is the subject receiving the punishment? In my current flesh body, I can't judge or justify anyone or any action as I myself violate the whole law with just a single thought Matthew 5:28 & James 2:10. The freedom I have in Christ is freedom from the punishment of sin. It is my understanding that I am just as guilty as they are with just a single thought. To judge them is to judge myself.
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Post by uscgvet on Jul 12, 2021 14:49:56 GMT -6
Oh and by the way - the revolt IS in the bible as a prediction of history before it happened. Are you referring to Daniel? If Daniel was a prediction of the Maccabean Revolt in 167 to 160 BC, why did Jesus refer to Daniel as a prophet for things in the future tense? After 30 AD? |
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Post by mike on Jul 13, 2021 6:04:01 GMT -6
Oh and by the way - the revolt IS in the bible as a prediction of history before it happened. Are you referring to Daniel? If Daniel was a prediction of the Maccabean Revolt in 167 to 160 BC, why did Jesus refer to Daniel as a prophet for things in the future tense? After 30 AD? Hi Vet, My understanding of prophecy is that it is a pattern until its final and ultimate fulfillment. Daniel 11 sets the tone for the first and second destructions, Antiochus fulfilled what was predicted just not 100% of it. Jesus clarifies it and also adds a little more 'mystery' to it (IMO). In the Olivet He tells of the destruction in 70, but also gives us insight into the end of all things. That was also fulfilled but not 100% I have to come this understanding, at least for now. EDIT - just remembered that Jesus attended the temple for the feast of dedication John 10:22 |
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Post by mike on Jul 13, 2021 6:05:33 GMT -6
uscgvetI hope I do follow. Each day I desire to serve Him, but I know that I dont always do what I am supposed to. I pray His mercy on me in that day.
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Post by Gary on Jul 13, 2021 8:25:07 GMT -6
I definitely agree with this, but I also think the red line extends to issues of morality and sin in so far as your disobedience of the king's decree to sin doesn't result in armed revolt. I think there are too many scriptures and examples of heroes of faith who disobeyed "the rules" in order to obey God. Hebrews 12:4 comes to mind as a foundational verse for me on this topic.
So I would summarize my view as:
1. I can and should obey the authorities in so far as I can without violating my conscience before God. If I am required to sin or else face earthly consequences to resist sin, I must choose to resist, even to the point of shedding my own blood. This is not a salvation issue, since salvation is by faith alone. But it is an important issue.
2. I must not revolt against the government or encourage others to do so. If a revolt happens and the revolters come to power, it's not me who instigated it. As the newly established authority by God, I must now submit to the new governing authority.
This said, I'm not blind to the fact there are some really difficult issues to weed through when you put these two principles into practice.
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