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Post by stormyknight on Feb 2, 2020 8:39:53 GMT -6
Beloved ,i'm not a biologist so i'm probably getting that wrong. I know men have XY but are women YY or XX? whichever it is, Ron was claiming the blood was just the one chromosome. So not knowing much about it, I thought it sounded plausible at the time. Now not so much. it all makes for a good story.
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Post by Joe on Feb 2, 2020 9:04:35 GMT -6
I do have to point out. Jesus walked on water and among other things. Doesn't seem possible but He did. So how are we going to judge His DNA and say what not is possible?
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Post by mike on Feb 2, 2020 9:29:49 GMT -6
Beloved ,i'm not a biologist so i'm probably getting that wrong. I know men have XY but are women YY or XX? whichever it is, Ron was claiming the blood was just the one chromosome. So not knowing much about it, I thought it sounded plausible at the time. Now not so much. it all makes for a good story. Women can only give a X as women posses two X chromosomes. Men posses XY and can give X or Y to children determining sex of child. If Jesus had Y only he would probably be really messed up genetically. And if He had Y only He would likely have no male characteristics. Somethings not right with Him having only Y. The Y would come from the Holy Spirit, but He has to have X from Mary EDIT - didn't see Beloveds reply before writing this but we are basically saying the same thing except he said it better  |
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Post by mike on Feb 2, 2020 11:06:46 GMT -6
I do have to point out. Jesus walked on water and among other things. Doesn't seem possible but He did. So how are we going to judge His DNA and say what not is possible? Certainly Joe. One thing I often ponder is 'miracles'. Jesus performed many miracles, but what makes something a miracle after all? "an effect or extraordinary event in the physical world that surpasses all known human or natural powers and is ascribed to a supernatural cause." Walking on water would qualify, so would the virgin birth. Many of or all of the healings would also equate to miracles. However some of the things occurring in the OT, perhaps not |
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Post by Beloved on Feb 2, 2020 14:45:22 GMT -6
stormyknight , ah, Ron probably said that He only had an X chromosome, since women have two X chromosomes. However, if that were the case, Jesus would not only have mild intellectual and physical disabilities, He would be a woman, which He most certainly is not! Joe , perhaps. After all, what is impossible with man is possible with God. However, I have several points. First, nothing in Scripture supports this particular view. God designed men to have XY chromosomes, and women to have XX chromosomes. Secondly, this is equivalent to saying, "Well, Jesus could have actually had no internal organs, but was kept miraculously alive, looked normal, and functioned normally by God's power." I mean, sure, that's technically possible, but very non-probable, very speculative, and there is no reason to take this view, when the most simple view makes sense and accounts for everything logically: Jesus was a normal man biologically. If God Himself informs me that Jesus had only an X or Y chromosome, then I will gladly accept that as fact. Otherwise, I will hold to Occam's Razor; the simple hypothesis accounts for everything, is supported by God's Word, and makes sense.
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Post by Joe on Feb 2, 2020 15:12:14 GMT -6
We actually don't know the original design. Adam And Eve had glorified bodies with I'm guessing, slightly different DNA than we do now. It wasn't until they were cast out of the garden that their bodies became corrupt. It's really hard to say what the DNA was, what ours will be like when we get our glorified bodies, and what Jesus DNA was like. All I can say about the DNA testing done for Jesus, the blood sample Ron Wyatt gave gave/submitted, it was done by Jewish scientist. So I don't know why these scientist would make a strange claim if indeed there was not? They actually didn't know whose blood they were testing until or after they gave the results. Then Ron told them. I believe it may be on video too or part of it. Anyways, something to think about or investigate more into.
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Post by stormyknight on Feb 2, 2020 19:43:07 GMT -6
I do have to point out. Jesus walked on water and among other things. Doesn't seem possible but He did. So how are we going to judge His DNA and say what not is possible? It very much seems possible to me, Joe, after all "All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made." John 1:3 Not only that, but people seem to forget that Peter walked on water as well! "Truly, truly, I tell you, whoever believes in Me will also do the works that I am doing. He will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father." John 14:12 I believe the scene of Jesus walking on water had a deeper meaning than showing He had the power over the elements. I think it reflected clear back to Genesis 1 when the Spirit moved over the face of the water.
As far a Jesus' blood having only one chromosome, ya, that doesn't make sense. If Ron Wyatt had obtained a sample, I think that would have been world wide news OR God would have prevented it from even happening. Either way, I'm skeptical. If Jesus wants us to have a sample of His blood, He would make sure it was provable beyond a doubt.
I don't know what Ron found. It looks like the Ark, but it could be a replica or a forgery or a decoy to throw off the invading armies. Who knows.
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Post by mike on Feb 3, 2020 6:10:31 GMT -6
We actually don't know the original design. Adam And Eve had glorified bodies with I'm guessing, slightly different DNA than we do now. It wasn't until they were cast out of the garden that their bodies became corrupt. It's really hard to say what the DNA was, what ours will be like when we get our glorified bodies, and what Jesus DNA was like. All I can say about the DNA testing done for Jesus, the blood sample Ron Wyatt gave gave/submitted, it was done by Jewish scientist. So I don't know why these scientist would make a strange claim if indeed there was not? They actually didn't know whose blood they were testing until or after they gave the results. Then Ron told them. I believe it may be on video too or part of it. Anyways, something to think about or investigate more into. Joe consider that Adam had perfect genes. Every single genetic piece of information ever was contained in him. When God created Eve from Adam's rib she likely had all if not most of the same genetics (any genetic scientist here?). Although perhaps only the pieces of DNA that would make her female like XX. When they had their offspring (assuming the first were Cain & Abel) they got half of the genes from each parent. Then Adam & Eve's grandchildren had half of the genes from their parents and so on. This dilutes the genetic pool as generations go on. This is why we have certain genetic characteristics in population areas. Take small island nations for example like in the south pacific or Iceland. All of the diversity of genetic information has been eliminated from that population segment. In Iceland, (i'm making an assumption) all darker skin people being non-existent eliminates the chance of anyone being anything but fair skinned. Until a person with darker skin genetic make-up is introduced into the gene pool, everyone will remain fair skinned. Jesus had to have Mary's DNA without question else he would not have been born of a woman, nor would He have been a man. I have considered that Adam & Eve had some type of glorified body that changed when they rebelled, but I'm not sure that aligns properly with scripture. Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man [of] the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. This does not sound like a glorified body to me. When I consider this in light of: Gen 2:9 And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil...16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: 17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die. So was it that their bodies were glorified? Or was it that they had access to the tree of life which continually restored every piece of DNA in their bodies? |
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Post by Joe on Feb 3, 2020 8:01:08 GMT -6
mike, It's actually the other way around. Jesus had Mary's DNA but nothing linking Him to a male figure. The only way I can understand that, is from a programmers experience. If someone creates an app in C or any other language other than ASM, it comes with extra data in order for that language to function. Most likely bigger in size and slightly slower speed. Now if that programmer creates the same app in ASM, it's a cleaner source that still looks and behaves the same but it's also smaller in size and runs faster. The extra code/data wasn't needed to begin with if one used a purer source. Hope that helps. 
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Post by disciple4life on Feb 4, 2020 18:41:58 GMT -6
OK, Joe, other friends, I'm gonna bite on this. Hey, I'm an otter - and I love pictures, and I love end times stuff, and I love conspiracy theories, and let's all face it - it reminds us of Raiders of the Lost Ark. Was it Bora that said that the Temple institute knows where it is. ?? Not sure who posted it, but I have read multiple reports that a very small number of rabbis know exactly where it is, and are keeping it secret until the 3rd Temple is built. Maybe like boymaker , - I've seen too many movies. As for Ron, so many things fishy at so many levels, where to begin. If he even thought he was actually dealing with the blood of Christ, he would have got at least one or two other respected scientists, and would have recorded every step of the process - recorded himself collecting it and sealing the samples, and then would have had it sent to multiple labs. This just screams amateur hour. Also, he's not a biochemist. How could he test the blood sample and then determined the chromosomes. I can't imagine how he could even get access to that kind of high-tech lab himself, much less personally conduct a sealed analysis. The same with the photos. He would have taken another photographer in there, as proof that he hadn't concocted the whole story. Aside from that - I just think that the reason we don't have Christ's blood is the same reason we don't have the "so-called Holy Grail" is man's obsession with idolatry - worshipping the created thing more than the creator. I like to think that the real ark exists - and is in safe keeping, for the 3rd temple, but that we won't be around to see it. Maranatha |
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Post by boraddict on Feb 4, 2020 23:33:44 GMT -6
OK, Joe, other friends, I'm gonna bite on this. Hey, I'm an otter - and I love pictures, and I love end times stuff, and I love conspiracy theories, and let's all face it - it reminds us of Raiders of the Lost Ark. Was it Bora that said that the Temple institute knows where it is. ?? Not sure who posted it, but I have read multiple reports that a very small number of rabbis know exactly where it is, and are keeping it secret until the 3rd Temple is built. Maybe like boymaker , - I've seen too many movies. As for Ron, so many things fishy at so many levels, where to begin. If he even thought he was actually dealing with the blood of Christ, he would have got at least one or two other respected scientists, and would have recorded every step of the process - recorded himself collecting it and sealing the samples, and then would have had it sent to multiple labs. This just screams amateur hour. Also, he's not a biochemist. How could he test the blood sample and then determined the chromosomes. I can't imagine how he could even get access to that kind of high-tech lab himself, much less personally conduct a sealed analysis. The same with the photos. He would have taken another photographer in there, as proof that he hadn't concocted the whole story. Aside from that - I just think that the reason we don't have Christ's blood is the same reason we don't have the "so-called Holy Grail" is man's obsession with idolatry - worshipping the created thing more than the creator. I like to think that the real ark exists - and is in safe keeping, for the 3rd temple, but that we won't be around to see it. Maranatha Wyatt said that he took a blood sample to a lab in Israel and it is they who provided the analysis. Additionally, Henry Gruver said that he saw the document and it was verified in his presence by a medical documents expert to have come from that lab. Also, the Israeli government denies having contact with Wyatt. This distance according to Wyatt provides a plausible deniability that the Ark has been discovered. So, in fact there is more of a random speculation that Wyatt found the Ark and no one in the government is willing to make a clear statement to this effect. Wyatt said that if and when they do then the war will be on; because, the Ark is on Muslim held lands. According to Wyatt, he was the only person to go into the cave. |
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Post by Joe on Feb 5, 2020 7:03:43 GMT -6
disciple4life, All I can say is, go to youtube and watch the videos. There's quite a few. Ron was a GOD fearing man. I don't know why he would make any of this up but then again. We have seen people do stranger things.
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Post by disciple4life on Feb 5, 2020 8:00:39 GMT -6
disciple4life , All I can say is, go to youtube and watch the videos. There's quite a few. Ron was a GOD fearing man. I don't know why he would make any of this up but then again. We have seen people do stranger things. joe, I'm not implying he was not a believer. But the fact that he was the only one to go in the cave -- really really dumb move.
First, - at a purely secular level, cave experts and spelunking enthusiasts would all agree that it's just not safe. So many variables, a person can fall, get injured, get lost, etc, etc.
Then, it's middle school common sense that the more important the case, the more steps you take to have witnesses and document every single detail.
This has the same foul smell as Joseph Smith's Golden plates, given to him alone by the Angel Morony, or was it the Alien Morony, and only he was given the translation.
Seriously. He could easily have found a half dozen Christian pastors/ journalists to film and record the place, time, and what they found, and take photos along with video, -
This is an interesting thread, but I put the same stock in his juvenile approach as I do in the people who "had a Dream and God told me . . ." along with the same people who re-arrange numbers in a text or speech, and if you assign each letter in the Polish alphabet to a number, and then take the re-arranged [manipulated] new number, translate the text into Polish, and then it tells us explicitly that "Elvis is one of the Two Witnesses," and "Nancy Pelosi is the Anti-Christ", -- then Take her full name and re-arrange all the letters in reverse order, Strongs condordance number tells us the secret recipe for General Tso's Chicken.
For the record, I lived in Poland 12 years and studied the language, so this was not meant in any way as a racist or denigrating comment to Polish people or language.
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Post by mike on Feb 5, 2020 8:28:19 GMT -6
disciple4life , All I can say is, go to youtube and watch the videos. There's quite a few. Ron was a GOD fearing man. I don't know why he would make any of this up but then again. We have seen people do stranger things. Just a thought on this - sometimes people can be convinced of something ahead of actual confirmation of such a belief. They pour their souls into it and when they finally 'discover' their suspicion they (likely unintentionally) ignore anything that would contradict the belief. Think people with alien abduction for an example. We know there are no aliens, only inter dimensional beings who deceive. I'm not saying Wyatt is guilty of any of this, just tossing out a thought. |
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Post by boraddict on Feb 7, 2020 20:43:57 GMT -6
disciple4life , All I can say is, go to youtube and watch the videos. There's quite a few. Ron was a GOD fearing man. I don't know why he would make any of this up but then again. We have seen people do stranger things. joe , I'm not implying he was not a believer. But the fact that he was the only one to go in the cave -- really really dumb move.
First, - at a purely secular level, cave experts and spelunking enthusiasts would all agree that it's just not safe. So many variables, a person can fall, get injured, get lost, etc, etc.
Then, it's middle school common sense that the more important the case, the more steps you take to have witnesses and document every single detail.
This has the same foul smell as Joseph Smith's Golden plates, given to him alone by the Angel Morony, or was it the Alien Morony, and only he was given the translation.
Seriously. He could easily have found a half dozen Christian pastors/ journalists to film and record the place, time, and what they found, and take photos along with video, -
This is an interesting thread, but I put the same stock in his juvenile approach as I do in the people who "had a Dream and God told me . . ." along with the same people who re-arrange numbers in a text or speech, and if you assign each letter in the Polish alphabet to a number, and then take the re-arranged [manipulated] new number, translate the text into Polish, and then it tells us explicitly that "Elvis is one of the Two Witnesses," and "Nancy Pelosi is the Anti-Christ", -- then Take her full name and re-arrange all the letters in reverse order, Strongs condordance number tells us the secret recipe for General Tso's Chicken.
For the record, I lived in Poland 12 years and studied the language, so this was not meant in any way as a racist or denigrating comment to Polish people or language.
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