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Post by venge on Jan 22, 2020 16:11:16 GMT -6
Gary , I love it so far! Thank you. This feels like an updated Young's Literal, and I'm fully here for it. God bless you and it. Also, you used the Majority Text (!) and put the Gospel in the first couple pages (!!) ! Not only that, you guys translated Revelation 5: 9-10 correctly! I could hug you ! This looks seriously wonderful; take my money Autous is found 356 times as a third person personal pronoun. I, our, we, us and ours are first person pronouns. Not to mention, A, (B) Codex Vaticanus, (Aleph) Siniaticus, Vulgate, Syriac and Coptic read it as "they" and "them". Because the argument goes on, I would not claim this scripture is "translated correctly" which claims all other manuscripts with Rev 5:9-10 are invalid. There are translators who argue for each. Gary and others obviously chose the MT. That doesn't invalidate the other. Many people use that text found commonly in our KJV. And, the KJV has been a very good text overall though I would say there are a few pieces of scripture that may need to be looked at, this being one of them. It is impossible to explain from the given text why angels would need to be redeemed or reign as kings on earth. This is not meant to argue or start a thread, but to set the facts straight for others readers that your claim is bias. I am sure the hard work that Gary and others put in, blood and sweat, will provide another option for many believers to choose from in gaining a better understanding of God's word and spiritual growth for decades to come.
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Beloved
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Post by Beloved on Jan 22, 2020 21:07:44 GMT -6
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Post by mike on Jan 23, 2020 5:58:36 GMT -6
venge, Beloved, moved your discussion out of Garys thread; If you wish to continue
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Post by venge on Jan 23, 2020 6:38:12 GMT -6
venge, Beloved, moved your discussion out of Garys thread; If you wish to continue You only moved mine and left his comment which was the cause of my reply. I had stated I do not wish to argue and I wanted to treat the scripture in question as legitimate because it doesn’t present a scribal error in understanding and is viewed by many who translate from these ancient manuscripts to be possibly correct. We cannot discount text based upon presumption or theories. There is a reason many more Bible translations use the third person pronoun for the elder song.
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Post by mike on Jan 23, 2020 7:40:39 GMT -6
I moved your comment (Venge) which quoted his (Beloved) capturing the dialogue No need for anyone to argue. Sometimes our discussions can be 'lively' or 'spirited' but above all we must remember John 13:35. We also need to remember that we want to grow in our walk with the Lord and that means being open to another vantage point. For the majority of text we have a historical background on we can ascertain its accuracy with minimal debate, therefore being able to understand the interpretation properly. The other third or so of our sacred texts are future looking and that neither you, me, B or anyone has a corner on interpretation or application of the Word. We do our best to understand but currently we cannot definitively claim that " this absolutely means that". Varying versions of text translations frequently place the interpretative value of the text through the lens with which the translator views the world.
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Post by venge on Jan 23, 2020 16:06:18 GMT -6
1. We do our best to understand but currently we cannot definitively claim that "this absolutely means that". 2. Varying versions of text translations frequently place the interpretative value of the text through the lens with which the translator views the world. 1. In regards to point 1 above, that is why I responded to: 2. If a textual word of manuscript "A" disagrees with manuscript "B", it is important to understand the reasoning behind it. Was it a scribal error? If there are interpretive options based upon the scripture, and one could deduct from those options thereby limiting what is valued, couldn't one then demonstrate truth of scripture based upon the world around it?
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